Mass incarceration or Mass Deportation?

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Rongagin71
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According to government's own figures, about 100,000 children have been lost
but Biden Admin has noticed the political pressure to do something.

https://texasscorecard.com/federal/thousands-of-unaccompanied-minors-encountered-at-border-despite-drop-in-overall-crossings/
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A list of some of the costs, just in Texas.
Gov Abbott appears to want accurate figures in order to sue the Feds.
https://texasscorecard.com/state/abbott-orders-hospitals-to-reports-costs-of-illegal-alien-healthcare/
Rongagin71
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Texas has a Border Czar of its own, and he has some definite opinions.
https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-border-czar-takes-on-democrats/

Edit for those who don't click on Scorecard...much of the discussion was about how the Biden Admin has released 99 KNOWN TERRORISTS into the USA.
nortex97
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RCC teachings are pretty perverted by politics at this point, as regards 'migrants' or 'refugees.' Devout American Catholics should rightfully be pushing the RCC Church to get out of the human trafficking/smuggling business, imho.
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Francis, a leftist globalist Argentine, has made the defense of illegal immigration a major plank of his papacy. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is all-in. Post-Covid, weekly Mass attendance has continued its steep decline. There is a need to fill both the pews and the collection plates.

Catholic organizations are among the top recipients of federal immigration funds. Between 2008-2022, Catholic charitable organizations received approximately $3 billion in federal funding. The USCCB acts as a kind of general contractor. It is the single largest grantee of subawards in the nation. For example, Catholic Charities receives direct funding from the USG but also subawards from the USCCB.

According to Forbes, in 2022 Catholic Charities USA was the 13th-largest U.S. charity. Of $4.7 billion in total revenues, Catholic Charities received $1.4 billion from government support.

In short, the globalist Left and the Biden Administration are hiding behind faith-based organizations to keep federal grants flowing to assist illegal immigration and to deflect from the horrific criminal results.

Meanwhile, it is clear many Catholic charities benefit financially from their participation inand promotion ofillegal immigration.

Shouldn't Catholic charitable organizations devote themselves to the problems of poverty, lack of education, inequality, unemployment, and poor health care in the illegal immigrants' countries of origin instead of helping criminals break U.S. law and transform our country?
Rather, it appears that once again, it all comes back to money.
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Interesting debate over what to do about the many young men invading Britain by boats, includes a shocking video of the mass of boats stored near Dover (edit - that is at 0:45)


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Rongagin71 said:

Apparently it needs to be repeated that there is an obvious difference between legal and illegal immigrants.
The U.S. allows approx a million legal immigrants per year, that is more than any other country and allows in plenty of doctors and engineers to "keep our economy going" - what we don't need is laborers simply showing up in a mass migration illegally crossing our borders. The labor mkt in 2024 is not like 1924, we don't need labor now and we don't need massive numbers of people added to welfare.
That 30million figure is one I've heard but am not sure about - I think it includes back more than a decade and also includes an estimate of those illegals that have never contacted U.S. authorities in any way.
Well, after finding out more, I no longer am so sure that the difference between legal and illegal is so obvious. It appears the Biden Admin is claiming legality where it is actually illegal immigration.
https://texasscorecard.com/federal/more-than-3-million-illegal-aliens-entered-the-us-from-chnv-countries/
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Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

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So you write that that RCC is in the human trafficking business- why the lie?
“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
Rongagin71
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I suppose Nortex will be along to answer, he usually does.
But the RCC is just part of a huge conglomerate using mass immigration for purposes that result in higher taxes, higher crime, and higher corruption in general.
Report: The State Department's Role in Immigration - Texas Scorecard
747Ag
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The USCCB and Catholic Charities are distinct entities from the RCC. Each diocese is its own entity. While elements in the Church are involved in the migration crisis, the broad brush of "RCC" needs to be replaced with better specificity.
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Rongagin71 said:

I suppose Nortex will be along to answer, he usually does.
But the RCC is just part of a huge conglomerate using mass immigration for purposes that result in higher taxes, higher crime, and higher corruption in general.
Report: The State Department's Role in Immigration - Texas Scorecard

How does that take square with manifest destiny?

“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
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747Ag said:

The USCCB and Catholic Charities are distinct entities from the RCC. Each diocese is its own entity. While elements in the Church are involved in the migration crisis, the broad brush of "RCC" needs to be replaced with better specificity.
Agreed. Its always interesting when people use political issues to lump in the entire Church when often its someone acting completely independently or not speaking officially for the entire church.

I think what is also interesting are the little things that are happening in our effort to bring the faith back to our country. Specifically, in Oklahoma's effort to require the bible be taught in school (I'm fine with that general idea), but they only are using the KJV. On the one hand, we could all say 'great, at least they're teaching it', on the other, it seems like a subtle encroachment against the Catholic Church. I only mention this because we all seem to be on the same page as Christians, generally, with politics....until comes the time where anti Catholicism begins to rear its head....again.
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PabloSerna said:

Rongagin71 said:

I suppose Nortex will be along to answer, he usually does.
But the RCC is just part of a huge conglomerate using mass immigration for purposes that result in higher taxes, higher crime, and higher corruption in general.
Report: The State Department's Role in Immigration - Texas Scorecard

How does that take square with manifest destiny?




I think it's pretty clear what he meant. The Catholic Charities and RCC itself are willful participants in the human trafficking and attendant suffering. Period.

Sorry, but the truth hurts.
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nortex97 said:

PabloSerna said:

Rongagin71 said:

I suppose Nortex will be along to answer, he usually does.
But the RCC is just part of a huge conglomerate using mass immigration for purposes that result in higher taxes, higher crime, and higher corruption in general.
Report: The State Department's Role in Immigration - Texas Scorecard

How does that take square with manifest destiny?




I think it's pretty clear what he meant. The Catholic Charities and RCC itself are willful participants in the human trafficking and attendant suffering. Period.

Sorry, but the truth hurts.
What? You haven't proven anything. Just a bunch of tin-foil stuff. If that is your level of scrutiny for the truth, then I guess you and I are wired differently.

However, I was asking a real question about manifest destiny. If only because, this whole "shut the border down" sounds like Mexico after 1824. Maybe this question is better on the History forum?

“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
nortex97
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We had this conversation all over the migrants thread on this forum.

https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3484303/replies/68380879

I'm not gonna dig it all up for you/derail this but my thoughts are essentially over there. Catholic Charities has profited enormously (including the leadership pay) from the invasion the Democrats have facilitated, and Pope Marx has said it is a sin to try to stop it. It's all morally disgusting, as it leads directly and intentionally to the suffering/enslavement in and about our communities of women/children, and our own families.

Manifest destiny is an odd thing to debate/discuss from a religious/philosophical perspective, especially as a contemporaneous matter related to religion today, since it's basically an outdated 19th century concept of American exceptionalism which Democrats particularly today would entirely reject. It's certainly not a christian concept, though as it places a group of people/nation above others (I think one of the core tenets of Christianity is the value of the individual, not groups/classes etc).

I don't think deportation of illegal aliens is remotely related to manifest destiny, but rather an intent to enforce borders, laws, and security are crucial to a functioning state/republican form of government. I dunno, maybe/perhaps there is some tangential link.
Rongagin71
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Yeah, I was wondering why an old concept like manifest destiny would be brought up. It's kinda like bringing up abolition as a current problem when it is a long past event.
But maybe Pablo has a definition that makes manifest destiny a current "thing"?
PabloSerna
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I am aware of the previous conversation and why I said "tin foil" since anyone can read the local Bishop's letter posted on the diocese's website for the real truth. We are just going to go round and round- I can understand your frustration with a religious group of people that take the Bible seriously enough to house, shelter, and feed the immigrants. Some Christians have their priorities different than even the man made law of the land. Even MLK understood that natural law sets our moral obligations. It frustrated his Christian brethren then as the Pope's current exhortation to welcome the immigrants rubs many the wrong way. I get it.

However, none of that equates to "trafficking" as you have attempted to make that connection.
“Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after it” -Jonathan Swift, 1710
UTExan
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It remains truth however, that Latin American majority Catholic countries are largely hot, dysfunctional messes due to widespread misgovernance and corruption. The US certainly has its own problems with this, but the systemic breakdown of law and order must tell us something about the cultural inputs to society there. IOW, the church is not being effective at standing up for citizens' rights nor is it using influence to provide basic needs. Rather, it is throwing its created problems onto the backs of US taxpayers to feed, clothe and house tens of millions of Catholic societies' poorest, because the RCC in those countries won't do it.
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nortex97
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I can understand your frustration with a religious group of people that take the Bible seriously enough to house, shelter, and feed the immigrants. Some Christians have their priorities different than even the man made law of the land.
Dishonest condescension isn't a great cloak to wear while sneering at another from some false moral high ground. Democrats writ large support trafficking in illegal aliens at great expense, and only then providing shelter using taxpayer funds (which is not christian in the least) as the anti-communists have called out. I view that policy preference in the interest of political power as evil incarnate.

You can stand with Mayorkas, I will stand with Ted Cruz on the issue:
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At the hearing, Mayorkas was grilled by Republicans as he has been for the past year over border issues including the increasing number of migrants crossing, fentanyl deaths and sex trafficking. Cruz, who has been an ardent critic of the Biden administration official, was particularly fiery in his line of questioning blaming the secretary directly for crimes against children.

"The children raped, they are at your feet," Cruz told Mayorkas. "And if you had integrity, you would resign."

"You're willing to let children be raped to follow political orders," Cruz continued. "This is a crisis. It's a disgrace."

Mayorkas responded saying "what the senator said was revolting" and refused to address his comments.
"Your refusal to do your job is revolting," Cruz said.

Cruz also asked Mayorkas if he knew how many of the migrant "get-aways" were rapists or terrorists, and said those who illegally crossed the border have led to drug overdoses.

"Look what has happened under your policy when you open up the border to the worst illegal immigration our nation's history people die," Cruz said.
Only repatriation and deportation, in conjunction with a secure border and 'remain in Mexico' policies can slow the explosive flood of funding to the cartels that this human trafficking scheme has provided. We should do that immediately, for the children.

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Looks like mass deportation it is
 
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