This could be a slippery slope.

I don't know much about Binny Hinn other than he was part of the 80s televangelist craze. I can tell you I trust him more than the IRS especially the new legion or agents from the Biden administration.

Based on what? Purely your politics? White collar crime is notoriously under prosecuted precisely because organizations like the IRS have been underfunded and understaffed. And the tax exemption awarded to religious organizations is an easy avenue for fraud.

Politics is the issue. The current administration has used lawfare against political enemies, has jailed it's distractors, hass persecuted families if they dare to be prolfe, and sent the FBi to spy on Catholics. So yes I would expect them to follow the same pattern of abuse. I would also expect the other side to retaliate when they take power.

No they haven't. And yes, if Trump is elected, I 100% expect bull**** political prosecutions because he's said that's exactly what he wants.

I notice you aren't at all addressing the white collar crime issue. Is this another case where conservatism is the belief that the laws protects the in-group without binding it while binding others without protecting them?

How you can pretend to deny the clearly observable facts makes this such a futile conversation. I don't agree your opinions or values, but I honestly thought a little better of you. Do you believe there has been an even and impartial application of the law?
So are you telling there hasn't been any white collar crime in the BLM organization? All of the DEI hustle has been above board? Hunter Biden and his half million dollar finger paintings are totally legit?

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No they haven't. And yes, if Trump is elected, I 100% expect bull**** political prosecutions because he's said that's exactly what he wants.

I notice you aren't at all addressing the white collar crime issue. Is this another case where conservatism is the belief that the laws protects the in-group without binding it while binding others without protecting them?

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Tell us more about how NGOs are under prosecuted.

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How you can pretend to deny the clearly observable facts makes this such a futile conversation. I don't agree your opinions or values, but I honestly thought a little better of you. Do you believe there has been an even and impartial application of the law?
So are you telling there hasn't been any white collar crime in the BLM organization? All of the DEI hustle has been above board? Hunter Biden and his half million dollar finger paintings are totally legit?

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Pretty sure Hunter is in trial right this minute after a DoJ investigation despite his dad being President. And are you suggesting groups should be allowed to get away with crimes if you happen to assume another group has committed a crime?

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How you can pretend to deny the clearly observable facts makes this such a futile conversation. I don't agree your opinions or values, but I honestly thought a little better of you. Do you believe there has been an even and impartial application of the law?
So are you telling there hasn't been any white collar crime in the BLM organization? All of the DEI hustle has been above board? Hunter Biden and his half million dollar finger paintings are totally legit?

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Pretty sure Hunter is in trial right this minute after a DoJ investigation despite his dad being President. And are you suggesting groups should be allowed to get away with crimes if you happen to assume another group has committed a crime?

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Lol liberals never change. If you accuse someone of doing the exact thing you're doing some how it makes you virtuous. Those who do not have a moral center, don't virtue, im afraid.
First of all this started because I asserted I don't trust government trying to go after religious groups. Why? For people who believe that rights are granted by the state vs God notoriously abuse their power and will try to suppress and control religious organizations by financial means. It is easy to see them go after a character not many would defend, set a precedent and rinse and repeat until no one is left to defend sanity. Seem familiar to anyone?

Hunter's trial has nothing to do with white collar crime, but stems from him being a degenerate junkie who broke gun laws so blatantly and repeatedly it was unavoidable. I have no problem with people who brake the law being punished, what I don't agree with is a two tiered system.

Are you suggesting those who think they know what God wants don't abuse their power and don't commit crimes? Because… *gestures towards human history*

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No they haven't.

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Lol, yes they have.

Trump is now obligated to return the favor to try to put an end to the outrageous abuse of power by the left when they are in office. And God willing, he will do just that. You lefties have sown the wind and must reap the whirlwind as Schumer would say.

Recall that the IRS targeted conservatives under the Obama admin and then destroyed hard drives to cover it up. I know you will deny that too.

The IRS, like all the alphabet agencies, are nothing but para Democrat party orgs now.

I would jury nullify if this comes to trial.

Lol, this story is from 2017

That's classic TexAgs! People not reading the article and just racing to score points for their political side.

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That's classic TexAgs! People not reading the article and just racing to score points for their political side.

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Only TexAgs?

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No they haven't.

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Lol, yes they have.

Trump is now obligated to return the favor to try to put an end to the outrageous abuse of power by the left when they are in office. And God willing, he will do just that. You lefties have sown the wind and must reap the whirlwind as Schumer would say.

Recall that the IRS targeted conservatives under the Obama admin and then destroyed hard drives to cover it up. I know you will deny that too.

The IRS, like all the alphabet agencies, are nothing but para Democrat party orgs now.

I would jury nullify if this comes to trial.

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Good lord. Some of you need a tiny bit of variety in your media diets. But glad to see the excuses for abuse are already baked in. "We had to destroy the separation of powers because liberals were mean in this meme I created." "It's okay to not provide equal protection and justice because they voted for the wrong party."

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Are you suggesting those who think they know what God wants don't abuse their power and don't commit crimes? Because… *gestures towards human history*

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Lol no. Again if someone is guilty they should face the consequences of their actions. I am just asking for an even application of justice. Certainly people who profess a faith in God fail, sometimes tremendously. However those who profess no faith, no God and instead place themselves as the sole arbitrator of justice have led to even greater abuses, crimes and bloodshed. So yes gester towards recent human history.

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Are you suggesting those who think they know what God wants don't abuse their power and don't commit crimes? Because… *gestures towards human history*

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Lol no. Again if someone is guilty they should face the consequences of their actions. I am just asking for an even application of justice. Certainly people who profess a faith in God fail, sometimes tremendously. However those who profess no faith, no God and instead place themselves as the sole arbitrator of justice have led to even greater abuses, crimes and bloodshed. So yes gester towards recent human history.

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So this article is from 2017. So it was Trump's IRS. Beyond that, do we need a 50/50 split of political affiliation in prosecutions, or can we prosecute people who violate the law as they are found?

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Are you suggesting those who think they know what God wants don't abuse their power and don't commit crimes? Because… *gestures towards human history*

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Lol no. Again if someone is guilty they should face the consequences of their actions. I am just asking for an even application of justice. Certainly people who profess a faith in God fail, sometimes tremendously. However those who profess no faith, no God and instead place themselves as the sole arbitrator of justice have led to even greater abuses, crimes and bloodshed. So yes gester towards recent human history.

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So this article is from 2017. So it was Trump's IRS. Beyond that, do we need a 50/50 split of political affiliation in prosecutions, or can we prosecute people who violate the law as they are found?

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I would be just as suspicious of Trump's, Biden's, Rico's or God forbid a Sapper's IRS. Even application doesn't depend on a ratio beyond 100% impartial. There is a reason justice is supposed to be blind.

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So you're prejudging them before the case is public. Meaning they can never be impartial to your eyes unless their actions support your political and religious beliefs. You don't seem to care if justice is blind or not.

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Are you suggesting those who think they know what God wants don't abuse their power and don't commit crimes? Because… *gestures towards human history*

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Lol no. Again if someone is guilty they should face the consequences of their actions. I am just asking for an even application of justice. Certainly people who profess a faith in God fail, sometimes tremendously. However those who profess no faith, no God and instead place themselves as the sole arbitrator of justice have led to even greater abuses, crimes and bloodshed. So yes gester towards recent human history.

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So this article is from 2017. So it was Trump's IRS. Beyond that, do we need a 50/50 split of political affiliation in prosecutions, or can we prosecute people who violate the law as they are found?

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I would be just as suspicious of Trump's, Biden's, Rico's or God forbid a Sapper's IRS. Even application doesn't depend on a ratio beyond 100% impartial. There is a reason justice is supposed to be blind.

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So you're prejudging them before the case is public. Meaning they can never be impartial to your eyes unless their actions support your political and religious beliefs. You don't seem to care if justice is blind or not.

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I stand accused of being prejudiced against the purity and fidelity of the IRS. Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, mea maxima culpa. I must have forgotten that this country was founded on trusting government and it's sovereign right to get a cut of everything. I would hardly say that Mr Hinn actions or words would support my religious or political beliefs, in fact I could easily say he is an offense to many of them. However if we don't make sure he is being treated fairly there is no reason to expect that we would receive any different treatment when it's our turn. Anyways have a blessed Sunday and I pray you hear God's call.

It is sad when I trust the IRS less than Benny Hinn.

The IRS under Trump was filled with radical lefties just like the FBI, doj, EPA, etc. He didn't purge it. Do you magically think it became "conservative" simply because Trump won? I don't think it was even on his radar, despite what happened under Obama.

Not gonna argue with you about it. No minds are being changed.

I just hope and pray that Trump wins and goes hard lawfare on the left.

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What's the difference between a vitamin and a hormone?













You can make a vitamin.

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Based on what? Purely your politics? White collar crime is notoriously under prosecuted precisely because organizations like the IRS have been underfunded and understaffed. And the tax exemption awarded to religious organizations is an easy avenue for fraud.

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Always easy to spot government employees that have no clue how business and economics really work.
Oh and left leaning organizations such as BLM never used their "easy avenue" for fraud--- right !!! What a clown show of a post.

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Based on what? Purely your politics? White collar crime is notoriously under prosecuted precisely because organizations like the IRS have been underfunded and understaffed. And the tax exemption awarded to religious organizations is an easy avenue for fraud.

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Always easy to spot government employees that have no clue how business and economics really work.
Oh and left leaning organizations such as BLM never used their "easy avenue" for fraud--- right !!! What a clown show of a post.

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So we have here an ad hominem based on absolutely nothing but your personal disdain of me followed by a pointless whataboutism. Brilliant post. You should be proud.

And yes, fraud is a significant issue for religious groups and organizations.

Older article, but lays out the issue well:
http://web.nacva.com/JFIA/Issues/JFIA-2010-1_8.pdf

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/11/10/donald-trump-says-he-might-prosecute-opponents-if-elected-in-2024/71529727007/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/05/politics/trump-prosecute-political-opponents

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/05/trump-target-opponents-second-term/

The irony of leftists and Dems complaining about the legal persecution of political opponents.

I despise Trump. But what the Democratic party and the left have done to the Rule of Law is far worse.

Surprised anyone is giving Benny Hinn the benefit of the doubt, no matter how passionate the person view on alleged lawfare or IRS intimidation.

Different folks have been scrutinizing Hinn for decades, starting with Chuck Grassley's Senate inquiry in 2007 and continuing up to today.

At issue is his estimated net worth of more than $60 Million that has been built on a loss making non-profit legal entity that has defaulted on significant debts to third parties while paying huge sums to the executives . . i.e. Benny Hinn.

There is a rather sad article penned by his nephew who honestly thought they were healing folks and doing God's work.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/october/benny-hinn-costi-uncle-prosperity-preaching-testimony.html

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One day I asked my father if we could go heal my friend from school who had lost her hair due to cancer. He replied that we should pray for her at home rather than going to heal her. I thought to myself, Shouldn't we be doing what the apostles did if we have the same gift? At that point, I didn't question our ability to heal, but doubts began to stir about our motives. We only did healings in the crusades, where music created the atmosphere, money changed hands, and people approached us with the "right" amount of faith.

Almost 15 years ago, on a shoreline outside of Athens, Greece, I stood confident in my relationship with the Lord and my ministry trajectory. I was traveling the world on a private Gulfstream jet doing "gospel" ministry and enjoying every luxury money could buy. After a comfortable flight and my favorite meal (lasagna) made by our personal chef, we prepared for a ministry trip by resting at The Grand Resort: Lagonissi. Boasting my very own ocean-view villa, complete with private pool and over 2,000 square feet of living space, I perched on the rocks above the water's edge and rejoiced in the life I was living. After all, I was serving Jesus Christ and living the abundant life he promised.
Little did I know that this coastline was part of the Aegean Seathe same body of water the apostle Paul sailed while spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ. There was just one problem: We weren't preaching the same gospel as Paul.

Lavish Lifestyle

Growing up in the Hinn family empire was like belonging to some hybrid of the royal family and the mafia. Our lifestyle was lavish, our loyalty was enforced, and our version of the gospel was big business. Though Jesus Christ was still a part of our gospel, he was more of a magic genie than the King of Kings. Rubbing him the right wayby giving money and having enough faithwould unlock your spiritual inheritance. God's goal was not his glory but our gain. His grace was not to set us free from sin but to make us rich. The abundant life he offered wasn't eternal, it was now. We lived the prosperity gospel.

My father pastored a small church in Vancouver, British Columbia. During my teenage years, he would travel nearly twice a month with my uncle, Benny Hinn. Prosperity theology paid amazingly well. We lived in a 10,000-square-foot mansion guarded by a private gate, drove two Mercedes Benz vehicles, vacationed in exotic destinations, and shopped at the most expensive stores. On top of that, we bought a $2 million ocean-view home in Dana Point, California, where another Benz joined the fleet. We were abundantly blessed.


Within the family, we didn't tolerate criticism. One day I asked my father if we could go heal my friend from school who had lost her hair due to cancer. He replied that we should pray for her at home rather than going to heal her. I thought to myself, Shouldn't we be doing what the apostles did if we have the same gift? At that point, I didn't question our ability to heal, but doubts began to stir about our motives. We only did healings in the crusades, where music created the atmosphere, money changed hands, and people approached us with the "right" amount of faith.

Other doubts would surface. What about unsuccessful healing attempts? I learned that it was the sick person's fault for doubting God. Why would we speak in tongues without interpretation? "Don't quench the Spirit," I was told. "He can do what he wants." Why did many of our prophecies contradict the Bible? "Don't put God in a box." Despite the questions, I trusted my family because we were so successful. Tens of thousands of people followed us, millions packed stadiums annually to hear my uncle. We healed the sick, performed miracles, rubbed elbows with celebrities, and got incredibly wealthy. God must be on our side!

Before going to college, I took a year off and joined Benny's ministry as a "catcher" (someone who catches the people who are "slain in the spirit") and personal assistant. This was a rite of passage in my family, as nearly every nephew worked for him at some point. It was a show of loyalty and gratitude. That year was a whirlwind tour of luxury: $25,000-a-night royal suites in Dubai, seaside resorts in Greece, tours of the Swiss Alps, villas on Lake Como in Italy, basking on the golden coast of Australia, shopping sprees at Harrods in London, and numerous trips to Israel, Hawaii, and everywhere in between. The pay was great, we flew on our own private Gulfstream, and I got to buy custom suits. All I had to do was catch people and look spiritual!

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This is a prime example of why posters describe this place as an echo chamber/circle jerk. Yet some people defend this forum to the death and only include "well informed and logical discussions"

I'm conservative and love f16 but having you're blinders on so right you can't see other perspectives is ignorant redneck **** that this board is full of.