Pope Francis meets with Marxists

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Ciboag96
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9:24a, 1/12/24
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-01/marxists-and-christians-to-fight-together-corruption-illegality.html

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"We Argentinians say: don't wrinkle, don't go backwards. And this is the invitation I extend to you too: don't back down, don't give up, don't stop dreaming of a better world."

"It is in the imagination, in fact, that intelligence, intuition, experience, and historical memory meet to create, venture, and risk," the Pope stressed.

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"Beyond religious and ideological boundaries, Christians and Marxists, as well as people of good will," the association explained in a note, "recognise today that they are united in their commitment to the end of armed conflicts in the world and the security of the most basic human rights, in order to guarantee social equilibrium and peace for humanity."

Hard to believe the Catholic world is led by this Marxist sympathizer. How many millions of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestant Christians were murdered in the name of Marxism? Thousand of clergy were murdered outright in Russia, Romania, China, etc.

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11:30a, 1/12/24
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https://www.amazon.com/Can-Catholic-Socialist-Trent-Horn/dp/1683571622

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11:39a, 1/12/24
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I can't tell any more if I should be outraged or just distracted from the last outrage or worry what outrageous thing is yet to come.
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In reply to Ciboag96 • 1:21p, 1/12/24
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Ciboag96 said:
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-01/marxists-and-christians-to-fight-together-corruption-illegality.html

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"We Argentinians say: don't wrinkle, don't go backwards. And this is the invitation I extend to you too: don't back down, don't give up, don't stop dreaming of a better world."

"It is in the imagination, in fact, that intelligence, intuition, experience, and historical memory meet to create, venture, and risk," the Pope stressed.

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"Beyond religious and ideological boundaries, Christians and Marxists, as well as people of good will," the association explained in a note, "recognise today that they are united in their commitment to the end of armed conflicts in the world and the security of the most basic human rights, in order to guarantee social equilibrium and peace for humanity."

Hard to believe the Catholic world is led by this Marxist sympathizer. How many millions of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestant Christians were murdered in the name of Marxism? Thousand of clergy were murdered outright in Russia, Romania, China, etc.

Why post this on F16 at all? You know its just going to lead to the Catholic bashing that it already has. This is the place to get into that. Sure I understand it is politics related...but on F16 its just fuel for those who only use the forum as a sport and have no interest in any real discussion.
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In reply to BluHorseShu • 6:51a, 1/13/24
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BluHorseShu said:
Ciboag96 said:
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-01/marxists-and-christians-to-fight-together-corruption-illegality.html

Quote:
"We Argentinians say: don't wrinkle, don't go backwards. And this is the invitation I extend to you too: don't back down, don't give up, don't stop dreaming of a better world."

"It is in the imagination, in fact, that intelligence, intuition, experience, and historical memory meet to create, venture, and risk," the Pope stressed.

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"Beyond religious and ideological boundaries, Christians and Marxists, as well as people of good will," the association explained in a note, "recognise today that they are united in their commitment to the end of armed conflicts in the world and the security of the most basic human rights, in order to guarantee social equilibrium and peace for humanity."

Hard to believe the Catholic world is led by this Marxist sympathizer. How many millions of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestant Christians were murdered in the name of Marxism? Thousand of clergy were murdered outright in Russia, Romania, China, etc.

Why post this on F16 at all? You know it's just going to lead to the Catholic bashing that it already has. This is the place to get into that. Sure I understand it is politics related...but on F16 it's just fuel for those who only use the forum as a sport and have no interest in any real discussion.


That thread is not that bad. Don't be so thin skinned
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In reply to BluHorseShu • 9:24a, 1/13/24
Marxism is a political ideology?
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10:10a, 1/13/24
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Some scribes who were Pharisees saw that Jesus was eating with sinners and tax collectors and said to his disciples, "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" Jesus heard this and said to them, "Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do. I did not come to call the righteous but sinners." (Mk 2:13-17)

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11:49a, 1/13/24
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11:56a, 1/13/24
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In reply to PabloSerna • 4:30p, 1/13/24
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PabloSerna said:
Some scribes who were Pharisees saw that Jesus was eating with sinners and tax collectors and said to his disciples, "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" Jesus heard this and said to them, "Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do. I did not come to call the righteous but sinners." (Mk 2:13-17)

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What does this even mean? Marxism is anti-Christian. Every actual Marxist understands that. Why can't you?
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5:26p, 1/13/24
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At least he's not meeting with those purveyors of evil who want to attend the TLM.
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4:57a, 1/14/24

I love Rome.

I can't imagine how liberal the next pope will be. For pope Francis has spoken in infallibility over the last ten or so years that this is sheep stealing. No prosyletizing.

Pray she reforms or joins us. Or we could all form a merger to make each other better.
For love is indeed a conversation.

When I partake of the Eucharist today, I will say "God bless the Catholic Church" in front of my Priest (he would agree). And may that be the National day of Catholic prayer for wisdom. For St. James declared that God freely gives wisdom to whoever asks for it.

I am almost emotionally done. This must be sent in continuous by all the elect that she will be a pure bride again. And that goes for all the church to which includes Protestants.
I'm tired of the Catholic bashing. And if I come across that way. Well, you just don't know me yet…

For we all error. No matter the extent. Ian is here. God help us all.
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 6:05a, 1/14/24
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TheGreatEscape said:

Is St. Peter in charge like pre-Pentecost?

I can't imagine how liberal the next pope will be. For pope Francis has spoken in infallibility over the last ten or so years that this is sheep stealing. No prosyletizing.

Pray she reforms or joins us. Or we could all form a merger to make each other better.
For love is indeed a conversation.

When I partake of the Eucharist today, I will say "God bless the Catholic Church" in front of my Priest (he would agree). And may that be the National day of Catholic prayer for wisdom. For St. James declared that God freely gives wisdom to whoever asks for it.

I am almost emotionally done. This must be sent in continuous by all the elect that she will be a pure bride again. And that goes for all the church to which includes Protestants.
I'm tired of the Catholic bashing. And if I come across that way. Well, you just don't know me yet…

For we all error. No matter the extent. Ian is here. God help us all.


Christ has always been in charge, always will be.

Pope Francis hasn't ever once said anything infallible. It is clear you don't know how that works. That is why it is frustrating and annoying when you go around telling us what we're do wrong, I agree and pray for unity of Christians. Everyone who believes should realize the scandal when they read John 17.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 6:13a, 1/14/24
I understand. Please consider forgiving the ridiculous rhetoric.
I will edit that part out.
Tengo mucho sueno.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 9:54a, 1/14/24
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I am not Catholic but from my reading the only time the Pope is considered infallible is when he speaks ex cathedra, which is incredibly rare.

The misunderstanding by Protestants of Catholics and Catholics of Protestants is sad.

We should be united in advancing the Kingdom of God.
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 10:08a, 1/14/24
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TheGreatEscape said:
I understand. Please consider forgiving the ridiculous rhetoric.
I will edit that part out.
Tengo mucho sueno.


I understand you love Our Lord, and since I do too I don't hold any hard feelings. I think most of us would do better on this board if we started here. Have a blessed Sunday.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 10:12a, 1/14/24
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jrico2727 said:
TheGreatEscape said:
I understand. Please consider forgiving the ridiculous rhetoric.
I will edit that part out.
Tengo mucho sueno.


I understand you love Our Lord, and since I do too I don't hold any hard feelings. I think most of us would do better on this board if we started here. Have a blessed Sunday.
Amen.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 11:35a, 1/14/24
jrico2727 said:
TheGreatEscape said:
I understand. Please consider forgiving the ridiculous rhetoric.
I will edit that part out.
Tengo mucho sueno.


I understand you love Our Lord, and since I do too I don't hold any hard feelings. I think most of us would do better on this board if we started here. Have a blessed Sunday.


I may iron sharpen iron. Thanks for the humility.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 11:44a, 1/14/24
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Christ has always been in charge, always will be.


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In reply to jrico2727 • 2:20p, 1/14/24
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I am right there with you.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 2:25p, 1/14/24
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I can't give you the many stars your post deserves, so I will just say, "Well said dear brother/sister in Christ."
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This papacy as well as recent past papacies seem, to varying degrees, to promote a more humanist approach. An elevation of the second greatest commandment. A devaluing of the first greatest commandment seems to be the effect. The article in the OP speaks only of issues related to our relationships with others... very horizontal. Nothing is reported about a possible call to conversion and repentance, but we can speculate because Pope Francis is on record against proselytizing. So, why be all-in on the Gospel of Jesus Christ if I'm good enough because I care for my fellow man? See where this goes? It implies that Christ doesn't matter or rather a relationship with Him is superfluous. Kyrie Eleison.
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5:59p, 1/14/24
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747Ag, thank you for this post. It has given me something to contemplate and meditate upon.
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In reply to 747Ag • 8:28p, 1/14/24
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34 But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" 37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets." (Mt 22:34-40)

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I find it interesting that you have chosen this passage in the Gospels to criticize the "recent past papacies" (Popes Francis/Benedict/John Paul II) for devaluing a relationship with Christ, "superfluous" as you put it. Because in fact they are two sides of the same coin. A "both and" not an "either or" understanding that are the foundation of Jesus' ministry, read verse 40 again.

For me, this again highlights the struggle that not just the Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus' time, but of the righteous in our time have with the mercy at the root of Christ's message- namely that he died for all. That he calls all to come to the table of plenty. That all are welcomed in the house of God.

Pope Francis has emphasized that Jesus came for the sinners and not the righteous. So he has built bridges to the people on periphery and emphasized an evangelization that is based on Jesus' love and mercy instead of a person's merit or understanding. For some, those in the center maybe, that can seem like a radical or scandalous method to bearing witness to truth of God. But I think it is a wonderful chance to dialogue and find common ground. Who knows what that could mean to them and us. That is why Jesus added a new commandment when he said,

34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." (Jn 13:34-35)


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7:42a, 1/15/24
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The RCC has been wandering astray for many, many years, in the world of charity/politics alike.



Pope Marx is just the latest example, and Mother Theresa was certainly not the first.
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8:03a, 1/15/24
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Ridiculous! Everyone knows that the only truly Christian economic system is feudalism!
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In reply to Rocag • 8:42a, 1/15/24
I love. I love. I love that reply.
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