Pope Francis continues to sow confusion in the Church

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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 9:50a, 12/19/23
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TheGreatEscape said:
You all sure that we will survive this Pope?

He sure is laying down the foundation for future generations to do likewise and possibly more damage.


This article is one man's answer to your question. According to the author, all of the leftist, secular stuff will evaporate as soon is Francis and his generation is gone. Young priests are far more conservative, and Orthodox than the old guys running the place now.

Give it a read

"Something similar is happening with Francis, an old and distinguished monarch who has surrounded himself with shameless yes-men. These advisers are inept ideologues with ample personal baggage. They have absolutely no clue how to address any of the challenges facing today's Christians. Sadly, Francis evidently prefers the sweet nothings of his circle to the harsh truths of men like Strickland. His circle has kept him safely insulated from reality for years now. This fact was recently revealed in his bizarre rant on priests acting like dandies. Just as Lear and his kingdom could only be saved by the daughter he spurned, Francis and his church can only be saved by Catholics who remain loyal despite it all"



https://thefederalist.com/2023/11/20/the-bishop-strickland-saga-outs-pope-francis-as-a-catholic-king-lear/
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 10:32a, 12/19/23
TheGreatEscape said:
You all sure that we will survive this Pope?

He sure is laying down the foundation for future generations to do likewise and possibly more damage.

This, in my opinion, should be the biggest concern for Rome.

Francis is bad, but what he's really done is set the stage for a far more radical pope to come next. That's when things will become real interesting.
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10:38a, 12/19/23
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 10:40a, 12/19/23
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AgLiving06 said:
TheGreatEscape said:
You all sure that we will survive this Pope?

He sure is laying down the foundation for future generations to do likewise and possibly more damage.

This, in my opinion, should be the biggest concern for Rome.

Francis is bad, but what he's really done is set the stage for a far more radical pope to come next. That's when things will become real interesting.


We will see. I had read recently that the Cardinals are ready to yank everything back to sanity when the time comes

But I have to wonder what effect 10 years of stacking Cardinals will have

Read the article I posted above. According to the author the younger generation of priests, by a HUGE margin, are far more traditional/orthodox than the old clergy currently in charge at the top

Time will tell if he's correct
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In reply to vmiaptetr • 10:42a, 12/19/23
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MoreCushing4thePushing said:

Someone dust of the tierra
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 10:45a, 12/19/23
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TheGreatEscape said:
You all sure that we will survive this Pope?

He sure is laying down the foundation for future generations to do likewise and possibly more damage.
Yes, Christ is, has been and will always be the head of the Church



The Faithful or the Unfaithful Servant.*
45 "Who, then, is the faithful and prudent servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household to distribute to them their food at the proper time?*
46 Blessed is that servant whom his master on his arrival finds doing so.
47 Amen, I say to you, he will put him in charge of all his property.
48 But if that wicked servant says to himself, 'My master is long delayed,'
49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and eat and drink with drunkards,
50 the servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour
51 and will punish him severely* and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 10:50a, 12/19/23
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Thank you for sharing the article. I hope it turns out to be correct.
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 10:52a, 12/19/23
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TheGreatEscape said:
You all sure that we will survive this Pope?

He sure is laying down the foundation for future generations to do likewise and possibly more damage.


If there's one thing I'm sure of, surviving this pope (as a whole) is something I'm certain of, it's promised to us. The question is more how many will not persist because they're scandalized
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11:48a, 12/19/23
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 1:47p, 12/19/23
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AgLiving06 said:
TheGreatEscape said:
You all sure that we will survive this Pope?

He sure is laying down the foundation for future generations to do likewise and possibly more damage.

This, in my opinion, should be the biggest concern for Rome.

Francis is bad, but what he's really done is set the stage for a far more radical pope to come next. That's when things will become real interesting.


We will see. I had read recently that the Cardinals are ready to yank everything back to sanity when the time comes

But I have to wonder what effect 10 years of stacking Cardinals will have

Read the article I posted above. According to the author the younger generation of priests, by a HUGE margin, are far more traditional/orthodox than the old clergy currently in charge at the top

Time will tell if he's correct

We can all only hope they right the ship.
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In reply to Thaddeus73 • 3:27p, 12/19/23
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I cannot tell if that picture of what appears to be a priest is photo stock (i.e, a model most likely) - if only because he appears to be too young to be wearing a cross in front of his vestments like a Bishop. There are in fact, dress codes. Since you posted it, where did it come from?

There are some young priest that look powerful, Fr. Schmitz comes to mind, but he is 49.

ETA: Let's not devolve into memes if that is what it is. I expect that on F16. Here, we should rise above it.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 3:48p, 12/19/23
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PabloSerna said:
I cannot tell if that picture of what appears to be a priest is photo stock (i.e, a model most likely) - if only because he appears to be too young to be wearing a cross in front of his vestments like a Bishop. There are in fact, dress codes. Since you posted it, where did it come from?

There are some young priest that look powerful, Fr. Schmitz comes to mind, but he is 49.

ETA: Let's not devolve into memes if that is what it is. I expect that on F16. Here, we should rise above it.


Devolve into memes? We're blessing sodomy and the Church is staring down the barrel of schism on a scale not seen in centuries and you're worried about memes?! Oh no, the horror!
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3:55p, 12/19/23
The Pope and the Black Hole | Dan Hitchens | First Things

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So it is with Fiducia supplicans. Usually one can cast light upon a document by asking what the Church has said before. In this case, the document itself cites the last Vatican statement on the subject, issued in 2021. That text decreed, with the signed approval of Pope Francis, that "it is not licit to impart a blessing on relationships, or partnerships, even stable, that involve sexual activity outside of marriage . . . as is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex. The presence in such relationships of positive elements . . . cannot justify these relationships and render them legitimate objects of an ecclesial blessing."

But a few thousand words after invoking the previous document, this new one suddenly announces that "Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex." Naturally, you search the text for where it explains why the previous document was wrong. You find nothing. You have been sucked into the black hole, where the light of reason cannot penetrate.
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In reply to aggietony2010 • 4:01p, 12/19/23
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aggietony2010 said:
PabloSerna said:
I cannot tell if that picture of what appears to be a priest is photo stock (i.e, a model most likely) - if only because he appears to be too young to be wearing a cross in front of his vestments like a Bishop. There are in fact, dress codes. Since you posted it, where did it come from?

There are some young priest that look powerful, Fr. Schmitz comes to mind, but he is 49.

ETA: Let's not devolve into memes if that is what it is. I expect that on F16. Here, we should rise above it.


Devolve into memes? We're blessing sodomy and the Church is staring down the barrel of schism on a scale not seen in centuries and you're worried about memes?! Oh no, the horror!

Blessing sodomy? Haven't seen that document. The only people leaving the church are those that have not fully given themselves to it- it's a lot like a marriage, indissoluble by man or man's actions.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 5:54p, 12/19/23
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PabloSerna said:
I cannot tell if that picture of what appears to be a priest is photo stock (i.e, a model most likely) - if only because he appears to be too young to be wearing a cross in front of his vestments like a Bishop. There are in fact, dress codes. Since you posted it, where did it come from?

There are some young priest that look powerful, Fr. Schmitz comes to mind, but he is 49.

ETA: Let's not devolve into memes if that is what it is. I expect that on F16. Here, we should rise above it.
Thad says what he memes and memes what he says. With a lot more clarity than seen out of Papa Francisco these days.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 6:45p, 12/19/23
PabloSerna said:
I cannot tell if that picture of what appears to be a priest is photo stock (i.e, a model most likely) - if only because he appears to be too young to be wearing a cross in front of his vestments like a Bishop. There are in fact, dress codes. Since you posted it, where did it come from?

There are some young priest that look powerful, Fr. Schmitz comes to mind, but he is 49.

ETA: Let's not devolve into memes if that is what it is. I expect that on F16. Here, we should rise above it.


That's Fr Gigachad
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7:55p, 12/19/23


The slope seems pretty dang slippery
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AgLiving06 said:


The slope seems pretty dang slippery

How spontaneous of them.
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8:16p, 12/19/23
God help me but I wish they'd spontaneously combust
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8:45p, 12/19/23
This seems pretty likely.....

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1:18a, 12/20/23
With the trend of the constant rise of the power of the magisterium in the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, we should be a little worried that these things likely won't be reformed, and could become worse.

This affects everyone in our culture.
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In reply to Terminus Est • 10:28a, 12/20/23
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Terminus Est said:
PabloSerna said:
I cannot tell if that picture of what appears to be a priest is photo stock (i.e, a model most likely) - if only because he appears to be too young to be wearing a cross in front of his vestments like a Bishop. There are in fact, dress codes. Since you posted it, where did it come from?

There are some young priest that look powerful, Fr. Schmitz comes to mind, but he is 49.

ETA: Let's not devolve into memes if that is what it is. I expect that on F16. Here, we should rise above it.


That's Fr Gigachad
Wow, and here I thought we could be serious. Lesson learned, thx.
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2:32p, 12/20/23
Cardinals have asked the Pope (historically known as the Bishop of Rome) for answers concerning church doctrine over the last three years.

All these Cardinals have received is contradictory answers from Pope Francis.

Francis has gotten rid of most all of the conservatives in Roman Church leadership. When we say conservatives, they are still left of me who hold to inerrancy and inspiration of the Scriptures and stuff accordingly.

And I thought that church tradition was to be equal to Scripture in Roman Catholic claims?

Roman Catholic Neumann objected to Papal infallibility stating that it was not even close to being scriptural nor historical in church dogma. He had to bow his knee after Vatican Counsel 1 established Papal Infallibility.

You Catholics will have to bow your knee as well to Francis' authority.

If not, then you need to stop blaming those who actually are confessional and hold to sola scriptura for being divided.
We are far more United as confessional sola scriptura Christians than the Roman church.

Our doors are open.
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3:16p, 12/20/23
The BB continues to be a national treasure.

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3:41p, 12/20/23
We confessionally Reformed have been consistent and maintained consistency.

The Roman Catholic Church was consistent until Vatican 2.

It didn't take too long for Vatican 1 establishing papal infallibility to experience the side effects afterwards in Vatican 2.

After Vatican 2, Roman Catholics can not claim consistency.
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 4:16p, 12/20/23
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TheGreatEscape said:
We confessionally Reformed have been consistent and maintained consistency.

The Roman Catholic Church was consistent until Vatican 2.

It didn't take too long for Vatican 1 establishing papal infallibility to experience the side effects afterwards in Vatican 2.

After Vatican 2, Roman Catholics can not claim consistency.
The Church will remain the spotless bride of Christ that she has always been, regardless of who is currently the pope. Nice try all you have established is you reformed have been consistently in error. When you are a 2000 year old institution a rocky 60 years isn't the end. Especially since we have Christ's guarantee that the Church will always remain.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 4:23p, 12/20/23
"We've survived bad popes before."

Well, honey, that was before Vatican 1 and papal infallibility.

So we shall see. Prayers sent.

Our confessional doors are open for you.
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7:02p, 12/20/23
1 John 2:18

"Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour."

Am I stating that Francis is THE ANTICHRIST? I don't know that and that's not the point.

But is Francis one of the many antichrists that keep appearing? Absolutely yes!
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 7:09p, 12/20/23
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TheGreatEscape said:
1 John 2:18

"Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour."

Am I stating that Francis is THE ANTICHRIST? I don't know that and that's not the point.

But is Francis one of the many antichrists that keep appearing? Absolutely yes!
You do not have the authority or ability to make such a call.

While I appreciate your contributions this is a step too far.

The same could be said about the "reformers' or deformers depending on your view. One could say anyone who encourages a member of the body of Christ to commit apostasy and join a heretical and schismatic group is an "antichrist", something you have done repeatedly today. Especially since Christ's desire was for their to be one Church and he established it through his apostles.

I have always gotten a M1 vibe from you, today it seems to justified.
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8:15p, 12/20/23
And the bishop of Rome has no authority over the Scriptures to make such a blessing of sin.

Name one Pope who taught these things?

Francis is way out of line according to the tradition that is supposedly authoritative and equal to holy Scripture (that none in leadership actually believe in) .
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 12:10a, 12/21/23
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Brother, you have no idea...

Keep the sheep stealing to yourself. It's a poor look for you. I get that you are on fire, but I'd bet money no one here is interested.

Let's discuss, disagree, agree, make fake buff priest memes - but proselytize? Crosses the line in my book.

K?

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12:55a, 12/21/23
Ok. I withdraw my suggestion that if the flood comes, we have an ark.

Also, Pope John Paul 2 would enact something that would please the conservatives. Then he would enact something that would please the progressives.

Was this also the failure of laying a sure foundation?
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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 1:58a, 12/21/23
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Nvm..

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In reply to TheGreatEscape • 2:02a, 12/21/23
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What I am hearing you say is that the Roman Catholic Church is on shaking ground, yes?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 2:13a, 12/21/23
I'm not the one calling Roman Catholics non-Christians because they believe in the creeds as do I.

However, Rome calls me a non-Christian and that is the way you all truly think of me or question my motives.

I'm secure enough in our Lord to overlook all that and walk in forgiveness over that.

Yet Rome is now blessing same sex unions? And it will probably will be a normalized sin for Catholics in the future if nothing is done right now. The death penalty removal was also caused by secularism. The death penalty promotes life and causes people to confess their sins when they are facing death. It may be somewhat of a deterrent?

Now is your opportunity to either reform the Roman church or…

Shaky ground? More like there are expanding cracks in the foundation.
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