PabloSerna said:
HumpitPuryear said:
Captain Pablo said:
HumpitPuryear said:
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SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/ddf-clarifies-fiducia-supplicans
I've read several write ups and the total clarification document several times now.
I think the clarification shows that the initial declaration was wrought with confusion and ripe for abuse by those with agendas to normalize and eventually sacramentalize irregular relationships.
I know of no one who is opposed to individuals receiving quick, spontaneous blessings when looking for the Lords help. I know no one thst is opposed to general blessings or impromptu blessings/"pastoral" blessings over their lives, no matter their situation or mortal state. What we have been worried about is certain ideological groups utilizing these blessings as a way to sow confusion amongst the flock.
Hopefully this puts an end to those abuses, and also allows those whom are concerned to be armed with stronger catechesis to continue to speak truth and love.
All in all… the biggest question still remains is why…. Why the need to stir the pot across all spectrums, and then constantly have to correct, clarify and in the end all are still confused.
I don't think that I'm a conspiracy nut in saying the 'why' was to do exactly what's in the thread title.... sow confusion. 
Would be more accurate replace "confusion" with "division". One need only look at what progressives, Marxists, or whatever you want to call them have achieved in protestant denominations in the past decade or so. The top leadership is not confused. They are a growing cancer. Conservative Catholics should be very alarmed and concerned and need to get involved.
Lutheran ELCA -> ELCA and NALC
Episcopal TEC -> TEC and Anglican
Presbyterian PCUSA -> PCUSA and ECO
Methodist UMC -> UMC and GMC
Catholic Church -> ??
Doesn't work that way in the Catholic Church, which is a good thing. The church has survived for 2000 years, through some really bad Popes.
What will happen, IMO, is the next Pope will course correct (hopefully)
If we get another Francis, people will just start leaving. See the mess that Germany has made. The result is 500,000 Germans left the church in 2022. 350,000 the year before
Some can be blamed on the sex abuse scandals, but not everything can be blamed on that, especially in 2022, when the exodus accelerated
Numbers aren't in for 2023 yet. Will be interesting to see
There's a pattern to be taken seriously in what has happened in other denominations. As a former United Methodist I see parallels in what happened to UMC. Progressives will chip away for years even decades. Traditionalist will keep giving an inch and trying to hold the union together. UMC implemented "don't ask, don't tell" wrt LGBQ clergy - you could be clergy just don't be an open and active homosexual. It wasn't enough. Eventually the rules just went out the window when enough progressives ascended into leadership roles. Of course that didn't happen overnight. There was "confusing" messaging from UMC Bishops along the way.
Traditionalist had the votes to halt the progressive slide in doctrine but they soon found that the cancer had the upper hand and the patient was terminal. The progressive power structure simply ignored the doctrine. Progressives weren't pushed out, the traditionalists left, mostly empty handed. Same with PCUSA and the others. There are UMC churches across the country that are left with 1/3-1/2 of their former members. Many won't survive and with the UMC trust clause their properties will be taken from the congregation and sold. There will be former members that are churchless. This is what success looks like to a progressive.
I think you are making a mistake in assuming the next Pope will course correct. This Pope isn't saying and doing these things in a vacuum. The progressives are feeling bold. They are feeling bold because they have control. I think you are just as likely to get a Pope that is even more progressive than this one. And you don't want people leaving. Sure the church will survive. UMC, PCUSA ELCA, TEC have all survived, just with a fraction of their former members. Churches will close and assets will be sold off by the leadership to fund more progressive causes. It's part of the plan. Genius really - conquer the enemy and then sell off their assets to fund going after the next enemy. Progressives don't care if the church shrinks. Maybe the Pope really does think the church will reach more people if it becomes more progressive. He's a fool if he thinks that. Not a single one of the denominations above grew larger as a result of moving left. In fact they have continued to shrink. I don't think he's a fool. I think he's a true believer and that cancer needs to be removed or the Catholic Church will look nothing at all like it does now in 10 years.
Do you actually believe these things? If so, is that more based on a hunch or website?
ETA: I assume you are not Catholic. There is no such plan. There is no such enemy. There is however an emphasis on the pastoral ministry in the life of the church. Much of the "reform" has been geared towards encouraging the laity (members) to their call to holiness. That shift away from a cleric dominated church life to one where the laity are more involved was monumental.
Four protestant denominations have been gutted by progressivism. They have turned their backs on evangelism to focus on pushing progressive causes. There's a pattern and the same pattern is playing out in the Catholic church. I'm former United Methodist. I fought to save my church and lost the battle. Too many of our members put their head in the sand. Now that church has 1/3 of it's former membership and likely will not survive.
My message doesn't apply to you Serna. You are clearly part of the progressive movement. But for Conservative Catholics, you better wake up and be vigilant. Progressivism and Marxism are enemies of Christianity. Progressives like this one will ridicule you and tell you it can never happen and that to say it is is buying into some MAGA conspiracy theory or bigotry towards LGBQ. Study what happened to the Presbyterians and Methodists. Read statements made by leadership. See selective application of the rules and the attempts by conservative/traditionalists to compromise and appease the progressives and look at the results. Think of your own church draped in the rainbow flag and having to explain what that means to your children. Maybe the Catholic Church doesn't splinter. I hope it doesn't. But what is the harm of vigilance and caution?
