Macarthur said:

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I find it intersting how some seem to really forget that prior to the 1910's, that area had folks from meany religions living in relative harmony for hundreds of years.

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Macarthur said:

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I find it intersting how some seem to really forget that prior to the 1910's, that area had folks from meany religions living in relative harmony for hundreds of years.

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TheGreatEscape said:

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They're not radical. They're just real Muslims.

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You're mixing up your talking points. I thought the Palestinians were so bad that not even other Muslim countries want them? But now they're just "real Muslims" and the same as every other?

Would you then support violent action against any Muslim civilians anywhere since you seem perfectly fine with violence directed at Palestinian civilians? If they're all the same then what's the difference?

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TheGreatEscape said:

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TheGreatEscape said:

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They're not radical. They're just real Muslims.

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You're mixing up your talking points. I thought the Palestinians were so bad that not even other Muslim countries want them? But now they're just "real Muslims" and the same as every other?

Would you then support violent action against any Muslim civilians anywhere since you seem perfectly fine with violence directed at Palestinian civilians? If they're all the same then what's the difference?

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Some Muslims and some Muslim countries go the "diplomatic" way (yet they are the money backers) and some go the militant way. But they all work together.

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Congratulations to Hamas leader Khaled Mashal for reaching a net worth of $5 billion 🤑

He and his family are in Qatar 🇶🇦 Dying in Gaza is only for peasants. pic.twitter.com/jasvmwQ2y6

— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 13, 2023

Dear Palestinians in Gaza,
This is Hamas leader Khaled Mashal. He is hiding for your protection in one of the most luxurious hotels in Qatar 🇶🇦
Hope you appreciate his sacrifice, while you are dying. pic.twitter.com/4sOKYw5wVy

— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 8, 2023

Poor Palestinians… the leaders are in luxury hotels in Qatar and Turkey.

Hamas Leaders are Gaza BLM.

Mousa Marzook net worth: $3+ billion
Khaled Mashal net worth: $3-5 billion
Ismail Haniyeh net worth: $4-5 billion pic.twitter.com/CFB6D5BPVK

— TRUTH NOW ⭐️⭐️⭐️🗽 (@sxdoc) November 12, 2023

All cultures are equal. 🫠🫠🫠🫠 https://t.co/wDmoU7Xgic

— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) November 14, 2023

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Some Muslims and some Muslim countries go the "diplomatic" way (yet they are the money backers) and some go the militant way. But they all work together.

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Someone should really tell Saudia Arabia and Iran about this so they can stop their decades long Middle East Cold War

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Zobel said:

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It's pretty likely that the reason this current flare up is happening is because Iran is attempting to disrupt Israeli-Saudi relations.

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Zobel said:

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It's pretty likely that the reason this current flare up is happening is because Iran is attempting to disrupt Israeli-Saudi relations.

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TheGreatEscape said:

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Some Muslims and some Muslim countries go the "diplomatic" way (yet they are the money backers) and some go the militant way. But they all work together.

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Someone should really tell Saudia Arabia and Iran about this so they can stop their decades long Middle East Cold War

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Sure there is a Sunni and Shia divide. But even they contribute together for a cause. Iran is Shia, but they support the Sunni Muslims of Gaza.

Catholics and Protestants have fought each other in years past, but fight together on many important issues.

Saudi Arabia is mainly Sunni. But Shia Iran didn't cry when Saudi money backers helped Osama Bin Laden and that outfit.

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BluHorseShu said:

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Some Muslims and some Muslim countries go the "diplomatic" way (yet they are the money backers) and some go the militant way. But they all work together.

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Someone should really tell Saudia Arabia and Iran about this so they can stop their decades long Middle East Cold War

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Sure there is a Sunni and Shia divide. But even they contribute together for a cause. Iran is Shia, but they support the Sunni Muslims of Gaza.

Catholics and Protestants have fought each other in years past, but fight together on many important issues.

Saudi Arabia is mainly Sunni. But Shia Iran didn't cry when Saudi money backers helped Osama Bin Laden and that outfit.

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Wait...Catholics and Protestants have fought like the Sunni and Shia? How far back did that happen? Other than the KKK attacking Catholics, I don't really see the same comparison. I see the disagreements but far far more working together and even more agreement of late. Just not the violence.

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Some Muslims and some Muslim countries go the "diplomatic" way (yet they are the money backers) and some go the militant way. But they all work together.

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Someone should really tell Saudia Arabia and Iran about this so they can stop their decades long Middle East Cold War

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Sure there is a Sunni and Shia divide. But even they contribute together for a cause. Iran is Shia, but they support the Sunni Muslims of Gaza.

Catholics and Protestants have fought each other in years past, but fight together on many important issues.

Saudi Arabia is mainly Sunni. But Shia Iran didn't cry when Saudi money backers helped Osama Bin Laden and that outfit.

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Wait...Catholics and Protestants have fought like the Sunni and Shia? How far back did that happen? Other than the KKK attacking Catholics, I don't really see the same comparison. I see the disagreements but far far more working together and even more agreement of late. Just not the violence.

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You out sick during the 'Wars of Religion' chapter of European history?

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Some Muslims and some Muslim countries go the "diplomatic" way (yet they are the money backers) and some go the militant way. But they all work together.

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Someone should really tell Saudia Arabia and Iran about this so they can stop their decades long Middle East Cold War

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Sure there is a Sunni and Shia divide. But even they contribute together for a cause. Iran is Shia, but they support the Sunni Muslims of Gaza.

Catholics and Protestants have fought each other in years past, but fight together on many important issues.

Saudi Arabia is mainly Sunni. But Shia Iran didn't cry when Saudi money backers helped Osama Bin Laden and that outfit.

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Wait...Catholics and Protestants have fought like the Sunni and Shia? How far back did that happen? Other than the KKK attacking Catholics, I don't really see the same comparison. I see the disagreements but far far more working together and even more agreement of late. Just not the violence.

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The Thirty Years' War[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War#cite_note-30][l][/url] was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, lasting from 1618 to 1648. Fought primarily in Central Europe, an estimated 4.5 to 8 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of battle, famine, and disease, while some areas of modern Germany experienced population declines of over 50%.

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Some Muslims and some Muslim countries go the "diplomatic" way (yet they are the money backers) and some go the militant way. But they all work together.

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Someone should really tell Saudia Arabia and Iran about this so they can stop their decades long Middle East Cold War

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Sure there is a Sunni and Shia divide. But even they contribute together for a cause. Iran is Shia, but they support the Sunni Muslims of Gaza.

Catholics and Protestants have fought each other in years past, but fight together on many important issues.

Saudi Arabia is mainly Sunni. But Shia Iran didn't cry when Saudi money backers helped Osama Bin Laden and that outfit.

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Wait...Catholics and Protestants have fought like the Sunni and Shia? How far back did that happen? Other than the KKK attacking Catholics, I don't really see the same comparison. I see the disagreements but far far more working together and even more agreement of late. Just not the violence.

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A lot of the early fighting between Catholics and Protestants had to do with claims to land from the rise of the nation states during that time period. One nation was Catholic and the other was Protestant or trying to become Protestant.


But it's nothing compared to the brutality of Islam. By nature it is what Sharia must be and is to every Muslim.

Many of us today are for the alliance of evangelicals and Catholics. I'd add Eastern Orthodox into that organization if I could. Heck…I'd add Jews into that as well.

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"When we fight over religion it's really over land, but not those guys over there"

I know you don't actually believe the Ottomans and Safavids were duking it out over Mesopotamia because the Twelvers think you need to keep your fingers folded when you pray and the Sunnis don't. It just fits better your childish binary fantasy of the world.

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Catholics sent Christians to go to keep Islam from making us convert or die during the often demonized Crusades. That
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This ain't it, champ.

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Plundering Constantinople to own the libs Muslims

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Some Muslims and some Muslim countries go the "diplomatic" way (yet they are the money backers) and some go the militant way. But they all work together.

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Someone should really tell Saudia Arabia and Iran about this so they can stop their decades long Middle East Cold War

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Sure there is a Sunni and Shia divide. But even they contribute together for a cause. Iran is Shia, but they support the Sunni Muslims of Gaza.

Catholics and Protestants have fought each other in years past, but fight together on many important issues.

Saudi Arabia is mainly Sunni. But Shia Iran didn't cry when Saudi money backers helped Osama Bin Laden and that outfit.

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Wait...Catholics and Protestants have fought like the Sunni and Shia? How far back did that happen? Other than the KKK attacking Catholics, I don't really see the same comparison. I see the disagreements but far far more working together and even more agreement of late. Just not the violence.

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A lot of the early fighting between Catholics and Protestants had to do with claims to land from the rise of the nation states during that time period. One nation was Catholic and the other was Protestant or trying to become Protestant.


But it's nothing compared to the brutality of Islam. By nature it is what Sharia must be and is to every Muslim.

Many of us today are for the alliance of evangelicals and Catholics. I'd add Eastern Orthodox into that organization if I could. Heck…I'd add Jews into that as well.

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"When we fight over religion it's really over land, but not those guys over there"

I know you don't actually believe the Ottomans and Safavids were duking it out over Mesopotamia because the Twelvers think you need to keep your fingers folded when you pray and the Sunnis don't. It just fits better your childish binary fantasy of the world.

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Catholics sent Christians to go to keep Islam from making us convert or die during the often demonized Crusades. That
saved us from Sharia. Other than Israel which had Jews and Christians living there and historical sites, the Church didn't try to conquer every Muslim country in the Middle East like Muslims were trying to do to Europe. Look at what they did to the Orthodox at Constantinople (Istanbul). The public has
been brainwashed by yet another secular utopian lie with Islam cutting the Quran and the hope for Sharia out of Muslim hearts and minds. The public is misinformed and history professors need to be train in church history and religion more.

The Moors (Muslims from Northern Africa) invaded Spain and ruled her for nearly 800 years before the Spanish Christians finally fought them off.

The Catholic and Protestant fought for control over a country or nation. Sunni and Shia have done the same thing but have also invaded other counties. See the history of Iran (Shia) and Iraq (which was largely Sunni) conflicts.

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I'm only going to engage with your word salad this once, because you're apparently incapable of staying on point. I don't care about the Crusades. You brought up internecine warfare and cartoonishly tried to pretend like Christians are the only people who know how to use religion as a pretext for warfare. Your boy Urban II didn't care about persecution of Christians in the Levant. Pilgrimages were becoming increasingly difficult because the Fatimids and the Seljuks were fighting over and trading Jerusalem every five months after the deaths of Mustansirbillah and Nizam al-Mulk. He was trying to cozy up to Alexios.

Iraq has never been largely Sunni. This is how I know you're unserious. Despite being the center of the Abbasid Caliphate, Iraq has always - always - been a hotbed of Shi'ism. Basra was a long known Shi'a intelllectual center. Hussain was martyred in Iraq. Najaf and Karbala are both in Iraq. Kaysanite and Faathite rebellions arose in Iraq. The Abbasids themselves capitalized on Shi'a support and anti-Umayyad sentiment in Iraq before turning around to nominate a descendant of Abbas instead of Ali.

The same thing with Iran. Iran was always a patchwork of Isma'ili, Zaydi, Imami, and Sunni kingdoms and principalities. The Sunnis dominated during the Seljuk era. The Mongols killed Sunni and Shi'a indiscriminately when they invaded Iran, and then the Safavids filled the gap after the Timurid collapse and slowly spread Imami ideology. There was never some great war fought between Shi'a and Sunni for Iran.

"The Moors" did not rule Spain for 800 years, and the Christians did not fight them off alone. Multiple Muslim dynasties ruled Spain and fought against each other. The Umayyads were Bedouins from Arabia. So were the Nasrids. The Almohads were Masmuda Berbers with their own branch of Islam and established their own Caliphate independent of the Abbasids. In between all these dynasties, the areas controlled by Muslims would split into independent Taifas which fought with each other and even allied with Christian kingdoms. Earlier you typed some nonsense about Muslims acting like a giant hive-mind, as if Sunni-Shi'a is the only possible distinction in a sea of them, which is evidently wrong if you read history beyond a fifth grade level.

Lastly, your idea that Christians do not invade other countries is absolutely ****ing comical. I suppose the British came to rule half the world because India and half of Africa voluntarily joined up to be part of the empire

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TheGreatEscape said:

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I guess not. So the Crusades stopped Muslim expansion into Europe, no?

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Zobel said:

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There is a false equivalence being made between correctly noting there is an ongoing cycle of violence and suggesting moral equivalence between IDF activity in Gaza and Hamas' terror attack. Perhaps if you were a deep, sophisticated thinker such an elementary linguistic slight of hand wouldn't have slipped past you so easily.

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