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No one disagrees with the idea of healing. There also needs to be repentance prior to any healing taking place. I think that was what crackerjack maybe was digging at.

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Where in the Bible do Jesus or the disciples tell people to repent before they healed them?

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Does Jesus say "leave your cross and follow me" or "take up your cross and follow me"?

In the Gospels Christ makes it known that the lepers/sick woman/prostitute faith has healed them, the Church teaches that God makes the first move towards us, but that we have to move towards Him as an act of will.

I don't know what Bible you use, so I'll just pull from the KJV, but in Matthew; Christ say "Verily I say to you; UNLESS YOU BE CONVERTED, and become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven".

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That is about salvation, correct? And I have numerous Bibles and have read the Bible about ten times. And do so every year.

Not divorce.

There is no Scripture where any healing by Jesus or the apostles was preceded by a demand of repentance.

And I can not tell if someone is "truly repentant".

I can not tell if I share the Gospel if it is effective.

Offering a support group with Christian teachings, isn't that God opening a door? And the people who want to be helped respond?

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You're veering off course, my comment was in regards to your "where in the Bible does Jesus or the disciples tell people to repent before they heal them".

You're thinking only of physical ailments; how does Christ heal us of our spiritual ailments (sin)? Does he forgive our sins before we repent of them, on a whim?

I truly don't understand the disconnect with "One doesn't need to repent in order to be forgiven" and then drawing an allusion to Christ's miraculous healings in the Gospels.

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I think we are talking past each other.

What should the divorced have to do to show "true" repentance?

And how does another human being know it is "true"?

And not trying to argue, I honestly do not know.

I think Christ forgives all sins. We have to accept that through faith. Change our mind. That is the definition of the Greek word metanoia, which means to change one's mind or turn away from something.

It seems like going to a Christian based divorce group would be exhibiting repentance.

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If marriage is indissoluble, can divorce be a possibility? I guess it depends on what divorce means, but it seems to me that if you're in a valid marriage, then you can never get out of it for as long as you're alive. How can you be repentant if you don't intend to change your behavior?

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I agree with you. Do you think the church should just kick all divorced people out? Because divorce is going to happen.

And if not, what punishment do you think they deserve?

How do you know they are truly repentant?

As I stated, I do not believe in divorce. Just curious as to y'all feel it should be handled.

What repentance "process" do you advocate before they can attend a Christian divorce group?

Or do you think the church should not even offer these.

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I know this will sound insane to a lot of folks, but I think you return to your marriage to the extent that's possible. Meaning that even if you're past the point where it's possible that your relationship with your spouse can resemble a healthy marriage, you should live your life as a married man or woman.

It's not about punishment, though of course there is that, but it's that some things can't be undone.

I know there are situations where people have divorced and "re-married", and there are children that are a product of both relationships. I don't have the answers, but that's a messed up situation and I have no idea how you can begin to rectify something like that. I just don't know.

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No one disagrees with the idea of healing. There also needs to be repentance prior to any healing taking place. I think that was what crackerjack maybe was digging at.

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Where in the Bible do Jesus or the disciples tell people to repent before they healed them?

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Does Jesus say "leave your cross and follow me" or "take up your cross and follow me"?

In the Gospels Christ makes it known that the lepers/sick woman/prostitute faith has healed them, the Church teaches that God makes the first move towards us, but that we have to move towards Him as an act of will.

I don't know what Bible you use, so I'll just pull from the KJV, but in Matthew; Christ say "Verily I say to you; UNLESS YOU BE CONVERTED, and become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven".

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That is about salvation, correct? And I have numerous Bibles and have read the Bible about ten times. And do so every year.

Not divorce.

There is no Scripture where any healing by Jesus or the apostles was preceded by a demand of repentance.

And I can not tell if someone is "truly repentant".

I can not tell if I share the Gospel if it is effective.

Offering a support group with Christian teachings, isn't that God opening a door? And the people who want to be helped respond?

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You're veering off course, my comment was in regards to your "where in the Bible does Jesus or the disciples tell people to repent before they heal them".

You're thinking only of physical ailments; how does Christ heal us of our spiritual ailments (sin)? Does he forgive our sins before we repent of them, on a whim?

I truly don't understand the disconnect with "One doesn't need to repent in order to be forgiven" and then drawing an allusion to Christ's miraculous healings in the Gospels.

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I think we are talking past each other.

What should the divorced have to do to show "true" repentance?

And how does another human being know it is "true"?

And not trying to argue, I honestly do not know.

I think Christ forgives all sins. We have to accept that through faith. Change our mind. That is the definition of the Greek word metanoia, which means to change one's mind or turn away from something.

It seems like going to a Christian based divorce group would be exhibiting repentance.

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If marriage is indissoluble, can divorce be a possibility? I guess it depends on what divorce means, but it seems to me that if you're in a valid marriage, then you can never get out of it for as long as you're alive. How can you be repentant if you don't intend to change your behavior?

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I agree with you. Do you think the church should just kick all divorced people out? Because divorce is going to happen.

And if not, what punishment do you think they deserve?

How do you know they are truly repentant?

As I stated, I do not believe in divorce. Just curious as to y'all feel it should be handled.

What repentance "process" do you advocate before they can attend a Christian divorce group?

Or do you think the church should not even offer these.

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I know this will sound insane to a lot of folks, but I think you return to your marriage to the extent that's possible. Meaning that even if you're past the point where it's possible that your relationship with your spouse can resemble a healthy marriage, you should live your life as a married man or woman.

It's not about punishment, though of course there is that, but it's that some things can't be undone.

I know there are situations where people have divorced and "re-married", and there are children that are a product of both relationships. I don't have the answers, but that's a messed up situation and I have no idea how you can begin to rectify something like that. I just don't know.

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I agree with you. And I have no problem with a time out period.

I am just trying to wrap my head around what you actually define appropriate repentance is? And how you know that?

And the Spirit is prompting me to bow out as divisiveness between believers is the work of Satan.

Love you guys.

This is why excommunication is necessary in some cases.

One last thought and I promise I will stop

https://www.catholic.com/qa/were-the-divorced-excommunicated

According to this article, Pope John Paul VI in 1977 ruled that there was no excommunication for divorce and re marriage.

So it is a moot point.

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One last thought and I promise I will stop

https://www.catholic.com/qa/were-the-divorced-excommunicated

According to this article, Pope John Paul VI in 1977 ruled that there was no excommunication for divorce and re marriage.

So it is a moot point.

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Well, maybe not directly, but communion would be denied in the event of remarriage without prior annulment

So effectively, excommunication because, what's the point?

Many, if not most, in that situation either leave the church and attend another denomination or just quit going to church altogether

Or they keep on keeping on and conceal their background, or find a sympathetic priest

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One last thought and I promise I will stop

https://www.catholic.com/qa/were-the-divorced-excommunicated

According to this article, Pope John Paul VI in 1977 ruled that there was no excommunication for divorce and re marriage.

So it is a moot point.

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Well, maybe not directly, but communion would be denied in the event of remarriage without prior annulment

So effectively, excommunication because, what's the point?

Many, if not most, in that situation either leave the church and attend another denomination or just quit going to church altogether

Or they keep on keeping on and conceal their background, or find a sympathetic priest

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Thanks for the clarification.

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One last thought and I promise I will stop

https://www.catholic.com/qa/were-the-divorced-excommunicated

According to this article, Pope John Paul VI in 1977 ruled that there was no excommunication for divorce and re marriage.

So it is a moot point.

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You're misunderstanding what he did, the American church had an automatic excommunication for divorced and civilly remarried couples, the entire church didn't. They had to seek an annulment and regularize their marriage in order to be allowed back into full communion with the Church

1 John 1:9-10 (ESV)

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

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One last thought and I promise I will stop

https://www.catholic.com/qa/were-the-divorced-excommunicated

According to this article, Pope John Paul VI in 1977 ruled that there was no excommunication for divorce and re marriage.

So it is a moot point.

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Well, maybe not directly, but communion would be denied in the event of remarriage without prior annulment

So effectively, excommunication because, what's the point?

Many, if not most, in that situation either leave the church and attend another denomination or just quit going to church altogether

Or they keep on keeping on and conceal their background, or find a sympathetic priest

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Thanks for the clarification.

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Yep. It's sad

There's got to be a better way. The Orthodox have figured it out with a 3 strikes rule. Most Protestant denominations have found a way as well

I get it. Matthew says what it says, but are all these denominations that have found a way ignoring the gospel?

If the whole point is to bring sinners to Christ, kicking those out who want to repent and receive the Eucharist seems particularly harsh and counter to what we as Christians are called to do

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No one disagrees with the idea of healing. There also needs to be repentance prior to any healing taking place. I think that was what crackerjack maybe was digging at.

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Where in the Bible do Jesus or the disciples tell people to repent before they healed them?

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Does Jesus say "leave your cross and follow me" or "take up your cross and follow me"?

In the Gospels Christ makes it known that the lepers/sick woman/prostitute faith has healed them, the Church teaches that God makes the first move towards us, but that we have to move towards Him as an act of will.

I don't know what Bible you use, so I'll just pull from the KJV, but in Matthew; Christ say "Verily I say to you; UNLESS YOU BE CONVERTED, and become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven".

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That is about salvation, correct? Not divorce.

And I have numerous Bibles and have read the Bible about ten times. And do so every year.


There is no Scripture where any healing by Jesus or the apostles was preceded by a demand of repentance.

And I can not tell if someone is "truly repentant".

I can not tell if I share the Gospel if it is effective.

Offering a support group with Christian teachings, isn't that God opening a door? And the people who want to be helped respond?

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Hey Dermdoc,

I have met you several times I've been to your house two or three times. Not everyone is as lucky as we are in the Wife department. I've been married for half my life and I'm 42.

You were probably aware that I am Orthodox, and we do not have a Sola Scriptura approach. There's a lot of church tradition, etc.

The Gospels and New Testament are not a law book. It was not intended to cover everything

John 8:2 - And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

This is why we have Church tradition. "He taught them" is passed down through tradition.

Paul stresses traditions. In Corinthians he tells them to return to the tradition & leadership of their fathers. He also threatens punishment in Corinthians 4. Can't have punishment without being judged first. Paul even states that you probably need punishment here in order to gain salvation in heaven.

1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindlernot even to eat with such a one.

1 Corinthians 5:12

For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

1 Corinthians 6:5

I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers.

Read 4, 5 and 6

I think you would have a hard time coming away from that, and not believing that the church has an obligation to separate the wheat from the chaff. He is literally complaining of people who would go to the law courts instead of the Church for wordly(rather than saintly) judgment against other Christians.

Paul fully expects the church and its members to judge, hold to account and regulate the congregation. For him that includes getting up in front of the church.

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Dies Irae said:

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dermdoc said:

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10andBOUNCE said:

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No one disagrees with the idea of healing. There also needs to be repentance prior to any healing taking place. I think that was what crackerjack maybe was digging at.

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Where in the Bible do Jesus or the disciples tell people to repent before they healed them?

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Does Jesus say "leave your cross and follow me" or "take up your cross and follow me"?

In the Gospels Christ makes it known that the lepers/sick woman/prostitute faith has healed them, the Church teaches that God makes the first move towards us, but that we have to move towards Him as an act of will.

I don't know what Bible you use, so I'll just pull from the KJV, but in Matthew; Christ say "Verily I say to you; UNLESS YOU BE CONVERTED, and become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven".

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That is about salvation, correct? Not divorce.

And I have numerous Bibles and have read the Bible about ten times. And do so every year.


There is no Scripture where any healing by Jesus or the apostles was preceded by a demand of repentance.

And I can not tell if someone is "truly repentant".

I can not tell if I share the Gospel if it is effective.

Offering a support group with Christian teachings, isn't that God opening a door? And the people who want to be helped respond?

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Hey Dermdoc,

I have met you several times I've been to your house two or three times. Not everyone is as lucky as we are in the Wife department. I've been married for half my life and I'm 42.

You were probably aware that I am Orthodox, and we do not have a Sola Scriptura approach. There's a lot of church tradition, etc.

The Gospels and New Testament are not a law book. It was not intended to cover everything

John 8:2 - And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

This is why we have Church tradition. "He taught them" is passed down through tradition.

Paul stresses traditions. In Corinthians he tells them to return to the tradition & leadership of their fathers. He also threatens punishment in Corinthians 4. Can't have punishment without being judged first. Paul even states that you probably need punishment here in order to gain salvation in heaven.

1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindlernot even to eat with such a one.

1 Corinthians 5:12

For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

1 Corinthians 6:5

I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers.

Read 4, 5 and 6

I think you would have a hard time coming away from that, and not believing that the church has an obligation to separate the wheat from the chaff. He is literally complaining of people who would go to the law courts instead of the Church for wordly(rather than saintly) judgment against other Christians.

Paul fully expects the church and its members to judge, hold to account and regulate the congregation. For him that includes getting up in front of the church.

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Fair enough. My spiritual gift is mercy, not judgement.

Sorry

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Dies Irae said:

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No one disagrees with the idea of healing. There also needs to be repentance prior to any healing taking place. I think that was what crackerjack maybe was digging at.

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Where in the Bible do Jesus or the disciples tell people to repent before they healed them?

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Does Jesus say "leave your cross and follow me" or "take up your cross and follow me"?

In the Gospels Christ makes it known that the lepers/sick woman/prostitute faith has healed them, the Church teaches that God makes the first move towards us, but that we have to move towards Him as an act of will.

I don't know what Bible you use, so I'll just pull from the KJV, but in Matthew; Christ say "Verily I say to you; UNLESS YOU BE CONVERTED, and become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven".

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That is about salvation, correct? Not divorce.

And I have numerous Bibles and have read the Bible about ten times. And do so every year.


There is no Scripture where any healing by Jesus or the apostles was preceded by a demand of repentance.

And I can not tell if someone is "truly repentant".

I can not tell if I share the Gospel if it is effective.

Offering a support group with Christian teachings, isn't that God opening a door? And the people who want to be helped respond?

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Hey Dermdoc,

I have met you several times I've been to your house two or three times. Not everyone is as lucky as we are in the Wife department. I've been married for half my life and I'm 42.

You were probably aware that I am Orthodox, and we do not have a Sola Scriptura approach. There's a lot of church tradition, etc.

The Gospels and New Testament are not a law book. It was not intended to cover everything

John 8:2 - And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

This is why we have Church tradition. "He taught them" is passed down through tradition.

Paul stresses traditions. In Corinthians he tells them to return to the tradition & leadership of their fathers. He also threatens punishment in Corinthians 4. Can't have punishment without being judged first. Paul even states that you probably need punishment here in order to gain salvation in heaven.

1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindlernot even to eat with such a one.

1 Corinthians 5:12

For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

1 Corinthians 6:5

I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers.

Read 4, 5 and 6

I think you would have a hard time coming away from that, and not believing that the church has an obligation to separate the wheat from the chaff. He is literally complaining of people who would go to the law courts instead of the Church for wordly(rather than saintly) judgment against other Christians.

Paul fully expects the church and its members to judge, hold to account and regulate the congregation. For him that includes getting up in front of the church.

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Fair enough. My spiritual gift is mercy, not judgement.

Sorry

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Mercy may not be what everyone needs all the time. It takes all types. As Paul said he would rather come with love and a gentle spirit. Though he does not shy away from holding those accountable that lack repentance either. Like he said it is up to the person.

You're a great guy and I like you. My intention is not to be argumentative.

Best to just agree to agree on what we agree on and leave it at that.

I know a lot of divorced Christians. They are truly remorseful and not trying to "hook up" with someone at a Christian based divorce group.

And I agree with you last part. Sitting here in the humble abode and loving it.

And whenever Christians have gotten judgemental historically, it has led to bad stuff.

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And whenever Christians have gotten judgemental historically, it has led to bad stuff.

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Which of the councils do you disagree with?

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And whenever Christians have gotten judgemental historically, it has led to bad stuff.

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Which of the councils do you disagree with?

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None. Talking more about at a local level.

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And whenever Christians have gotten judgemental historically, it has led to bad stuff.

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Which of the councils do you disagree with?

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None. Talking more about at a local level.

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Does judgement to you mean "saying things are bad" or "adjudging people damned"

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And whenever Christians have gotten judgemental historically, it has led to bad stuff.

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Which of the councils do you disagree with?

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None. Talking more about at a local level.

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Does judgement to you mean "saying things are bad" or "adjudging people damned"

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No judgement to me is administered by God. And the Holy Spirit convicts. I believe our role is to love.

Can you tell me your qualifications are to judge somebody?

And I know I do not have that authority.

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Can you tell me your qualifications are to judge somebody?

And I know I do not have that authority.

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Gifts of the Holy Spirit notwithstanding, do I need some sort of credentials to know that adultery is bad?

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Can you tell me your qualifications are to judge somebody?

And I know I do not have that authority.

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Gifts of the Holy Spirit notwithstanding, do I need some sort of credentials to know that adultery is bad?

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Judgement attitude is not a gift of the Holy Spirit per my Bible.

Does yours differ?

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-seven-gifts-of-the-holy-spirit

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Can you tell me your qualifications are to judge somebody?

And I know I do not have that authority.

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Gifts of the Holy Spirit notwithstanding, do I need some sort of credentials to know that adultery is bad?

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Judgement attitude is not a gift of the Holy Spirit per my Bible.

Does yours differ?

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Counsel/Right Judgement is a gift of the Holy Spirit. But I'll ask again, do I need credentials to judge adultery as sinful?

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Can you tell me your qualifications are to judge somebody?

And I know I do not have that authority.

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Gifts of the Holy Spirit notwithstanding, do I need some sort of credentials to know that adultery is bad?

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Judgement attitude is not a gift of the Holy Spirit per my Bible.

Does yours differ?

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Counsel/Right Judgement is a gift of the Holy Spirit. But I'll ask again, do I need credentials to judge adultery as sinful?

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No, you can do whatever you want. And condemn whomever you want.

Does not mean that matters.

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Can you tell me your qualifications are to judge somebody?

And I know I do not have that authority.

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Gifts of the Holy Spirit notwithstanding, do I need some sort of credentials to know that adultery is bad?

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Judgement attitude is not a gift of the Holy Spirit per my Bible.

Does yours differ?

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Counsel/Right Judgement is a gift of the Holy Spirit. But I'll ask again, do I need credentials to judge adultery as sinful?

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No, you can do whatever you want. And condemn whoever you want.

Does not mean that matters.

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You're purposefully not answering, why? I haven't mentioned a person, I've mentioned an act. Do I need credentials to say adultery is sinful?

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Can you tell me your qualifications are to judge somebody?

And I know I do not have that authority.

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Gifts of the Holy Spirit notwithstanding, do I need some sort of credentials to know that adultery is bad?

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Judgement attitude is not a gift of the Holy Spirit per my Bible.

Does yours differ?

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Counsel/Right Judgement is a gift of the Holy Spirit. But I'll ask again, do I need credentials to judge adultery as sinful?

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No, you can do whatever you want. And condemn whoever you want.

Does not mean that matters.

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You're purposefully not answering, why? I haven't mentioned a person, I've mentioned an act. Do I need credentials to say adultery is sinful?

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No. Knock yourself out.

Still trying to figure out what this has to do with a divorce class at First Baptist Bryan.

Actually I know exactly.

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Can you tell me your qualifications are to judge somebody?

And I know I do not have that authority.

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Gifts of the Holy Spirit notwithstanding, do I need some sort of credentials to know that adultery is bad?

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Judgement attitude is not a gift of the Holy Spirit per my Bible.

Does yours differ?

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Counsel/Right Judgement is a gift of the Holy Spirit. But I'll ask again, do I need credentials to judge adultery as sinful?

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No, you can do whatever you want. And condemn whoever you want.

Does not mean that matters.

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You're purposefully not answering, why? I haven't mentioned a person, I've mentioned an act. Do I need credentials to say adultery is sinful?

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No. Knock yourself out.

Still trying to figure out what this has to do with a divorce class at First Baptist Bryan.

Actually I know exactly.

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You're a joke, doc. Your reinvention of Christianity has you in a position where you can't say adultery is sinful

Adultery is sinful.

Why resort to ad Homs?

Oh wait, my skin is not thick enough according to you. Might do a little self examination. That works for me.

Have a great night.

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Adultery is sinful.

Why resort to ad Homs?

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Because you are acting like a joke. You took about 11 posts to say adultery was sinful. Now how do we know that?

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Adultery is sinful.

Why resort to ad Homs?

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Because you are acting like a joke. You took about 11 posts to say adultery was sinful. Now how do we know that?

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So now I am a joke?

You ever looked at a woman with lust?

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Adultery is sinful.

Why resort to ad Homs?

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Because you are acting like a joke. You took about 11 posts to say adultery was sinful. Now how do we know that?

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So now I am a joke?

You ever looked at a woman with lust?

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Yes. I am a sinner. Was it okay that I did?

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Adultery is sinful.

Why resort to ad Homs?

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Because you are acting like a joke. You took about 11 posts to say adultery was sinful. Now how do we know that?

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So now I am a joke?

You ever looked at a woman with lust?

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Yes. I am a sinner. Was it okay that I did?

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Sure. What about the people you want judge so bad?

Is your sin less than theirs?

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Adultery is sinful.

Why resort to ad Homs?

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Because you are acting like a joke. You took about 11 posts to say adultery was sinful. Now how do we know that?

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So now I am a joke?

You ever looked at a woman with lust?

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Yes. I am a sinner. Was it okay that I did?

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Sure. What about the people you want judge so bad?

Is your sin less than theirs?

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Where have I mentioned people? That was my entire point. You refuse to judge both actions and people. We are not to adjudge people as damned, that is not our role. Actions are a different manner entirely

And no, it wasn't okay that I did. It was sinful