My understanding from Scripture is that Israel is the church is the kingdom. I don't think 1948 Israel being recognized by world governments is prophecy but if you have the BCV I'd be willing to listen.

Christ is reigning now and in Jn 4 told his disciples He would FINISH the work of His Father then shortly before His departure He prayed to His Father "I have FINISHED the work...Jn 17:4

There's nothing I find that says Jesus is returning to physical earth to set up another kingdom. I do find teaching that He will return for His church and we will all be caught up with with Him to reside forever.

I'm surprised you are a catholic too. Curious are you getting this from your priest or sources outside the RCC? Did the RCC change its views on pre-millennialism or ?

N T Wright points out Scriptural basis for Christ bringing a New Jerusalem on Earth and us having resurrected bodies. After a blissful rest with Christ until His return.

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Also read up on Trump's "Deal of the Century" that's in the works. It's very scriptural from my analysis. July 1, 2020 is the first day in which Israel can annex parts of the West Bank. The ball is rolling over there!!

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No, this is not "very scriptural". It is, however, a major push to increase their apartheid state.

Im not aware of a single verse in Scripture that suggests Christ will physically step foot on earth again. If you have one to share I'd like to see it of course.

Zechariah 14 1-5
Rev 5 9-10
Zechariah 2 10,12
Psalm 37 9, 11, 29

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Im not aware of a single verse in Scripture that suggests Christ will physically step foot on earth again. If you have one to share I'd like to see it of course.

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To piggy back off of what dermdoc stays, I think a lot of people get a modern cultural take of heaven twisted up with what the bible says.

At its core, Jesus's endgame is to return this earth back to its perfect state, and be in perfect unity with man on earth. God fixes what went wrong in Genesis. Heaven is not some far flung place we are evacuated to forever. The earth was made for us, but corrupted by us. Christians who are 'asleep' in Christ are whisked to God's presence awaiting the endtimes, with the final action to be given resurrected bodies.

Exploring My Strange Bible does a great job walking through life, death, heaven, hell from a biblical perspective. Does a great job pointing out what has been misrepresented in culture and presents context to the writings.

https://exploring-my-strange-bible.simplecast.com/episodes/7e2527d1

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aggiedad20 said:

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Im not aware of a single verse in Scripture that suggests Christ will physically step foot on earth again. If you have one to share I'd like to see it of course.

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To piggy back off of what dermdoc stays, I think a lot of people get a modern cultural take of heaven twisted up with what the bible says.

At its core, Jesus's endgame is to return this earth back to its perfect state, and be in perfect unity with man on earth. God fixes what went wrong in Genesis. Heaven is not some far flung place we are evacuated to forever. The earth was made for us, but corrupted by us. Christians who are 'asleep' in Christ are whisked to God's presence awaiting the endtimes, with the final action to be given resurrected bodies.

Exploring My Strange Bible does a great job walking through life, death, heaven, hell from a biblical perspective. Does a great job pointing out what has been misrepresented in culture and presents context to the writings.

https://exploring-my-strange-bible.simplecast.com/episodes/7e2527d1

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N T Wright says the same thing. And the accepted concept by most Christians of heaven and hell is much more based on Greek philosophy(Augustine was trained in that until he converted)than actual Scripture. Augustine was brilliant but man he did a number on the Western church view of heaven and hell.

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Im not aware of a single verse in Scripture that suggests Christ will physically step foot on earth again. If you have one to share I'd like to see it of course.

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Do you consider the parables Jesus used as evidence of his return to judge the living and the dead?

+Pablo

Doesn't the Antichrist still have to make an appearance?

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Doesn't the Antichrist still have to make an appearance?

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We won't know who the Antichrist is officially until the abomination of desolation which occurs at the middle-point of the Final 7 Years. But I would imagine those who follow closely would be able to identify him much sooner

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Doesn't the Antichrist still have to make an appearance?

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We won't know who the Antichrist is officially until the abomination of desolation which occurs at the middle-point of the Final 7 Years. But I would imagine those who follow closely would be able to identify him much sooner

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Right, let's say we just started the final 7 years. I feel like somewhere in the world rumblings would be coming out about a world leader or new following.

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Doesn't the Antichrist still have to make an appearance?

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We won't know who the Antichrist is officially until the abomination of desolation which occurs at the middle-point of the Final 7 Years. But I would imagine those who follow closely would be able to identify him much sooner

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Right, let's say we just started the final 7 years. I feel like somewhere in the world rumblings would be coming out about a world leader or new following.

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You're right on that. I don't believe we've started the Final 7 Years yet, but whenever we do, there will definitely be rumblings about a world leader to fix the economic crises & bring all the nations together under the one world government & religious system

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Im not aware of a single verse in Scripture that suggests Christ will physically step foot on earth again. If you have one to share I'd like to see it of course.

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Act 1:

1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3 After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. 4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit."
6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

Jeff Durbin has some great sermons discussing the end times. Below is one of my favorite as I think his take on the Olivet Discourse is spot on.

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Emmanuel = "God with us"
Macron = "a written or printed mark"

Very interesting to me since one of the names for Jesus was Emmanuel. And the whole "Mark of the Beast" thing too.

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Yes indeed, He was taken up into to heaven in a cloud and will return for His church (once, not twice) IN A CLOUD!!! 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Revelation 1:7

There is no "future" Kingdom where Jesus sets foot in earth and if you're anticipating it and awaiting some "millennium" you are not alone and in error.

Christ'a Kingdom has come. It's the church!

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Yes indeed, He was taken up into to heaven in a cloud and will return for His church (once, not twice) IN A CLOUD!!! 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Revelation 1:7

There is no "future" Kingdom where Jesus sets foot in earth and if you're anticipating it and awaiting some "millennium" you are not alone and in error.

Christ'a Kingdom has come. It's the church!

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So what about the Scriptures posted?

Jerry Jenkins and Tim Lafayette wrote a series of books using those...

Your lack of understanding concerning the Second Coming needs more time and effort than I'm willing to give at the moment. But maybe I'll share some material later.

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Jerry Jenkins and Tim Lafayette wrote a series of books using those...

Your lack of understanding concerning the Second Coming needs more time and effort than I'm willing to give at the moment. But maybe I'll share some material later.

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Left Behind is wrong theology. That is not what those Scriptures said. Keep studying friend!

The Eschatological view presented in the Left Behind series is a relatively modern interpretations of certain scripture passages and has very little if any historical theological basis.

I'm flattered doc...

Tell us all again about how you wanted to be saved like the thief?

And ?

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I'm flattered doc...

Tell us all again about how you wanted to be saved like the thief?

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When did I say I wanted to be saved like the thief? I believe I was talking about baptism, which I have done, so this does not apply to me. And I am flattered by how much my posts affect you.

Keep studying my friend!

Just curious, why were you baptized?

If you were already saved at the point you prayed, what good does getting wet do? Puts you in your local Brazos Fellowship or ?

Serious question because this is a major stumbling block if in fact baptism by immersion is for forgiveness of sins, the putting on of Christ (Acts 2:38; Gal 3:27)

The sinners prayer, IMO, is the greatest deception ever conceived upon civilization, next to the great falling away of the RCC. So dangerous.

Don't you think it is rather odd that 1800 years of Christian theology had an almost completely different Eschatological view? IMO it takes a great deal of hubris to believe the entire Church got it wrong for so long and only recently did some come to understand these portions of scripture correctly.

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Just curious, why were you baptized?

If you were already saved at the point you prayed, what good does getting wet do? Puts you in your local Brazos Fellowship or ?

Serious question because this is a major stumbling block if in fact baptism by immersion is for forgiveness of sins, the putting on of Christ (Acts 2:38; Gal 3:27)

The sinners prayer, IMO, is the greatest deception ever conceived upon civilization, next to the great falling away of the RCC. So dangerous.

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Have you read my posts? I am not a proponent of the sinner's prayer. I was baptized to wash away my sins. Man, you have an extremely skewed view of non C of C churches.

I am done for the evening. Have a good night.

I read the Brazos Fellowship statement of faith that plainly states baptism is for professing the change Christ made in their life? Never mentions forgiveness of sins being washed away. Strange how you would fellowship with people who practice something you don't believe in? Sorry but I'm confused...

Have a good evening!

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I read the Brazos Fellowship statement of faith that plainly states baptism is for professing the change Christ made in their life? Never mentions forgiveness of sins being washed away. Strange how you would fellowship with people who practice something you don't believe in? Sorry but I'm confused...

Have a good evening!

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I am fine with what Brazos says. When you are baptized, you are washed clean of your sins and born again, so yes you are changed.

So you believe baptism by immersion is essential to salvation but are just ok with Brazos Fellowship stating publicly just the opposite? Wow

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So you believe baptism by immersion is essential to salvation but are just ok with Brazos Fellowship stating publicly just the opposite?

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From my reading they did not say what you just posted. And I do know that all people who make a public profession of faith in Christ have full body immersion baptism.

Just curious, are you an engineer?

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Just curious, are you an engineer?

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Now don't you go throwing all of us under the bus! Also, you replied to yourself.

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Just curious, are you an engineer?

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Now don't you go throwing all of us under the bus! Also, you replied to yourself.

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Obviously I am not an engineer.

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Yes indeed, He was taken up into to heaven in a cloud and will return for His church (once, not twice) IN A CLOUD!!! 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Revelation 1:7

There is no "future" Kingdom where Jesus sets foot in earth and if you're anticipating it and awaiting some "millennium" you are not alone and in error.

Christ'a Kingdom has come. It's the church!

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AggieDad, I think there's some major misunderstanding here. I would highly recommend the Exploring My Strange Bible episode I linked to earlier. Yes, Christ wants us to live abundantly in the gospel right here right now and not wait on the return. Yes, Jesus stated he will return in a cloud. But what's the big hangup on Jesus not returning to earth?

I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding of Genesis to think God would just abandon earth and go make 'paradise' be somewhere else. The earth and man we're once perfect, and man walked alongside God. Sin broke that. Jesus's perfect sacrifice will mean one day the earth will be healed and man will be resurrected. Everything in the end times sets up for fixing what went wrong in Genesis 3, and that all happens on earth. Being whisked to the presence of God before resurrection is a temporary state. Man is meant to exist with both spirit and body as one.

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Just curious, are you an engineer?

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Now don't you go throwing all of us under the bus! Also, you replied to yourself.

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Obviously I am not an engineer.

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And furthermore, I am barely one most days.