It's always so convenient how these myths always work out in favor of the group the advocates belong to.Quote:
Part of the foundation of the British-Israel doctrine is the theological claim that particular blessings were bestowed upon three of the tribes of Israel, in that the tribe of Judah was to be the 'chief ruler' e.g. King David, and that Ephraim was to receive the birthright (See Jacob and Esau). Adherents believe that these blessings have continued down through the ages to modern times, with the British Monarchy identified as the continued blessing upon Judah, and both Britain (Ephraim) and the USA (Manasseh) as recipients of the national birthright blessing. They cite passages such as 1 Chron 5:1-2 and Gen 48:19-20 as supporting this.
Exactly. Follow the money.PacifistAg said:It's always so convenient how these myths always work out in favor of the group the advocates belong to.Quote:
Part of the foundation of the British-Israel doctrine is the theological claim that particular blessings were bestowed upon three of the tribes of Israel, in that the tribe of Judah was to be the 'chief ruler' e.g. King David, and that Ephraim was to receive the birthright (See Jacob and Esau). Adherents believe that these blessings have continued down through the ages to modern times, with the British Monarchy identified as the continued blessing upon Judah, and both Britain (Ephraim) and the USA (Manasseh) as recipients of the national birthright blessing. They cite passages such as 1 Chron 5:1-2 and Gen 48:19-20 as supporting this.
Apparently Marcionism survived for quite a while in Muslim-controlled West Asia. From wiki:ramblin_ag02 said:
Least favorite heresy is marcionism. I can't imagine anything more blasphemous that calling God the Father evil.
Most favorite is Nestorianism. The Trinity is an unfathomable concept and I think he got a bad wrap for a disagreement over something no one understands anyway.
Most fun is Rapture theology. Makes for lots of cool fiction
PacifistAg said:
Oooh, rapture theology is a good one.
Win At Life said:
My favorite heresy is Messianic Judaism.
I presume you guys consider that a heresy
Win At Life said:
That's a fair assertion given the position of some Messianics; including one who used to frequent here. I suppose some Messianics would be considered exactly Arian. Our congregation doesn't believe Yeshau was begotten at a point in time, because we believe most "appearances" of the Mal'ak to the patriarchs we prefigure appearances of Yeshua. Our congregation will admit to fully believing in the divinity of Yeshua, but Trinitarians would accuse us of not believing fully in the divinity of Jesus if we don't accept their Trinity doctrine about Him.
I suppose it's difficult to voice any objection to the Trinity doctrine without somehow coming off as slightly Arian. However, I can't personally say I agree fully with the Trinity doctrine, because the Trinity doctrine says it's a doctrine that can't be understood fully. I have a problem saying I completely agree with something I can't understand. Wouldn't any honest person do likewise?
If you asked me for a complete description of Yeshau, the Father and the Ru'ach Ha'kodesh, I would just re-quote all the scriptures that describe this relationship with a little study into the original languages to better understand. But this exercise will fall short of defining the divinity to the detail described in the Trinity doctrine. I'm okay with that. Some Trinitarians are not.
Shalom
94chem said:
I'll throw in a vote for KJV-only-ism.
Why would I be insulted? You've always conducted yourself here with the utmost respect for others. I wish we had more posters like that around here; kind of like back when titan used to post regularly. There were always the crazies, but it seemed like there were enough quality posters back then that the crazies stood out much more as being obviously uncivil. When so many are disrespectful, it kind of lowers the bar of what's considered civil and not civil, and it can drag you down with them if you're not vigilant. (I consider that a good test and a growth exercise, so I stick around).Quote:
first off,
thank you very much for not taking my comment as insult, I certainly didn't mean it as such...and from what I understand, the poster you referred to is further fringe? He was certainly Arian..
Yeshua was certainly human. He had physical flesh. He ate. He pooped (although not recorded in scripture ) And He was certainly divine as well. But does being, human, divine and eternal, etc. all at the same time require the exact Trinity doctrine to exist? I'm not so sure about that one.Quote:
but.. if you don't believe he was begotten (nor was he made?) then do you believe He was also human man? or divinity disguised as man?
swimmerbabe11 said:94chem said:
I'll throw in a vote for KJV-only-ism.
I don't count that as heresy...just silliness. I consider heresy strictly christocentric/non-trinitarian..One can still be a Christian and only read the KJV
This is a very good point. In the IFBC world I grew up in, if you weren't "saved" with a KJV bible, you weren't saved. I'm not even exaggerating. We commonly referred to the NIV as the New International Perversion, and held disdain for all non-KJV bibles. Those using non-KJV were not real Christians and we were not to associate with them. That said, finding heresies within a cult isn't that difficult.94chem said:swimmerbabe11 said:94chem said:
I'll throw in a vote for KJV-only-ism.
I don't count that as heresy...just silliness. I consider heresy strictly christocentric/non-trinitarian..One can still be a Christian and only read the KJV
I don't think you understand the depth of the silliness, as evidenced by your last sentence.
Win At Life said:Why would I be insulted? You've always conducted yourself here with the utmost respect for others. I wish we had more posters like that around here; kind of like back when titan used to post regularly. There were always the crazies, but it seemed like there were enough quality posters back then that the crazies stood out much more as being obviously uncivil. When so many are disrespectful, it kind of lowers the bar of what's considered civil and not civil, and it can drag you down with them if you're not vigilant. (I consider that a good test and a growth exercise, so I stick around).Quote:
first off,
thank you very much for not taking my comment as insult, I certainly didn't mean it as such...and from what I understand, the poster you referred to is further fringe? He was certainly Arian..Yeshua was certainly human. He had physical flesh. He ate. He pooped (although not recorded in scripture ) And He was certainly divine as well. But does being, human, divine and eternal, etc. all at the same time require the exact Trinity doctrine to exist? I'm not so sure about that one.Quote:
but.. if you don't believe he was begotten (nor was he made?) then do you believe He was also human man? or divinity disguised as man?
I'll concede the Trinity doctrine could ultimately be the correct nature of YHWH Yeshua Ha'Mashiach, but not only can't I understand it, the Trinitarians can't even actually prove it from scripture, because the CHURCH defines her own terms to create the Trinity doctrine, according to the founders of that doctrine; being the Catholic Church.
The Coverdale Psalms predate the KJV and are beautiful as well:swimmerbabe11 said:
Although the psalms in KJV are lovely.
Win At Life said:
Wishing upon all of y'all the heresy of a Shabbat filled with shalom
I chuckled. Thanks.Win At Life said:
Wishing upon all of y'all the heresy of a Shabbat filled with shalom
In a van down by the river.88Warrior said:
Doc, Where's your practice at?
dermdoc said:
My favorite heresy is Mormonism and least favorite is Calvinism. I mean, Jesus in a submarine coming to America and then ruling an entire planet or whatever after you die is way cool.
Agree. The Mormons I know are wonderful folks.UTExan said:dermdoc said:
My favorite heresy is Mormonism and least favorite is Calvinism. I mean, Jesus in a submarine coming to America and then ruling an entire planet or whatever after you die is way cool.
I have to say my thirty plus years living in Utah made me aware that many rank and file Mormons are like many rank and file Baptists and Pentecostals. Salt of the earth without the crazy that sometimes infiltrates the dialogue on our little board here. Their hierarchy? I have dealt with a number of them on security details and they are really wonderful (Howard Hunter) or devious and petty (no names).
dermdoc said:In a van down by the river.88Warrior said:
Doc, Where's your practice at?
Seriously in Beaumont.
Got a lot of patients from up there.88Warrior said:dermdoc said:In a van down by the river.88Warrior said:
Doc, Where's your practice at?
Seriously in Beaumont.
Wow! I'm about 30 minutes north of you in Wildwood!