Are there any more fellow SSPXers on the board?
SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
Not me. But I do enjoy the music of NOFX & MXPX.
Benedictus Dominus said:SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
Not me. But I do enjoy the music of NOFX & MXPX.
I am unfamiliar
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The Society of Saint Pius X, also known as the SSPX, the FSSPX or Lefebvrians, is an international priestly fraternity founded in 1970 by Marcel Lefebvre, the French titular archbishop of the Roman Catholic diocese of Synnada in Phrygia.
Really? I would think we have about that many clergy. If I remember correctly we have around 700,000 or so members.schmendeler said:
according to wiki there are only like 983 members worldwide. it's a very exclusive secret club.
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As of 22 April 2018, the Society has 637 priests present in 37 countries and active in 35 more, 772 Mass centers, 167 priories, 123 religious brothers, 200 religious sisters, 79 oblates, 204 seminarians in six seminaries, 56 pre-seminarians in three pre-seminaries, more than 100 schools, 7 nursing homes, 4 Carmelite convents, 19 Missionary Sisters of Kenya, and 2 university-level institutes.
schmendeler said:
according to wiki there are only like 983 members worldwide. it's a very exclusive secret club.
First rule of SSPX is to not talk about SSPX. But welcome brother.Benedictus Dominus said:
Are there any more fellow SSPXers on the board?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Saint_Pius_XQuote:
Membership
971 (637 priests)
They're just counting clergy and religious I believe; not the laity.schmendeler said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Saint_Pius_XQuote:
Membership
971 (637 priests)
perhaps i'm looking at the wrong club?
FSSP are a great group of guys, they were the breakaways from SSPX who left after the Econe consecrations. We are not sedevacantists either, we acknowledge the legitimate authority of all Popes.wbt5845 said:
I have a friend from high school who WAS a priest in SSPX. After about 20 years, he grew to believe they were schismatic and left.
There is now an FSSP in our diocese if one just really prefers that Mass. Is yours just a Mass preference or are you a sede vacantist?
Benedictus Dominus said:FSSP are a great group of guys, they were the breakaways from SSPX who left after the Econe consecrations. We are not sedevacantists either, we acknowledge the legitimate authority of all Popes.wbt5845 said:
I have a friend from high school who WAS a priest in SSPX. After about 20 years, he grew to believe they were schismatic and left.
There is now an FSSP in our diocese if one just really prefers that Mass. Is yours just a Mass preference or are you a sede vacantist?
I love the universality of the latin mass, I have had the great joy of participating in the sacrifice of the mass in many different countries; and it is a true testament to the catholicity of our faith with the priest offering the sacrifice in the same direction, in the same language. It is beautiful. As a people our bodies and our actions give meaning and import to the occasion, and the Tridentine mass shows the gravity and solemnity of what is actually occurring during the sacrifice far better than the Novus Ordo mass, where the priest gives a joke homily, and a bunch of your friends go up to the altar to frisbee out the body of Christ to the laity.Win At Life said:Benedictus Dominus said:FSSP are a great group of guys, they were the breakaways from SSPX who left after the Econe consecrations. We are not sedevacantists either, we acknowledge the legitimate authority of all Popes.wbt5845 said:
I have a friend from high school who WAS a priest in SSPX. After about 20 years, he grew to believe they were schismatic and left.
There is now an FSSP in our diocese if one just really prefers that Mass. Is yours just a Mass preference or are you a sede vacantist?
And I can appreciate how they really want to reform things back to the original Latin language of Jesus.
it was surely hyperbole; but the majesty of the mass has been lost I feel in a rush to try and make things more palatable and "interesting" to the laity.XUSCR said:
"...what is actually occurring during the sacrifice far better than the Novus Ordo mass, where the priest gives a joke homily, and a bunch of your friends go up to the altar to frisbee out the body of Christ to the laity."
Come on man.
I think your numbers are still a little off, 41% said morally unacceptable, 48% said not a moral issue; I'm sure they just added the two to get the 89%AstroAg17 said:
45% of Catholics who attended church weekly said contraception was acceptable. 42% said it wasn't a moral issue. Your chart claims 89% of Catholics approve of contraception (that it's referring to Catholics who attend weekly is implied).
So the first stat is a lie and that's the only one I've checked.
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/09/28/4-very-few-americans-see-contraception-as-morally-wrong/
As in it's the bedrock of the romance languages that were used throughout christendom, and naturally was the best choice to standardize upon.swimmerbabe11 said:
Universality of Latin? As in universally no one in the laity is fluent?
It does seem misleading, however I can tell you in the traditional catholic circles; saying something that gravity of contraception is "not a moral issue" could be considered as saying it is acceptable or approving of such a behavior; there isn't a lot of shades of grey as far as moral issues are concerned, at least as far as the objective action goes.AstroAg17 said:
I was looking at those who attend weekly because I misread your post. I'm not sure how your poll collected its numbers but I bet they're biased with respect to attendance.
You can't add the number of people who describe something as "acceptable" to the number of those who think the question doesn't apply and then say that many "aprove". That's a lie.
wbt5845 said:
So, you accept primacy of all the popes and yet joke and belittle the Ordinary Form of the Mass that is promulgated by these popes?
The Ordinary Form is just as licit as the Tridentine and the Extraordinary Forms. At least I have no doubt the priest who sanctifies the Eucharist I receive is in communion with the Church. You may claim the same, but your comments about the Church made above cast doubt on the sincerity of that claim.
Benedictus Dominus said:
I have never claimed that the ordinary form is not licit, merely that it's a shame and a travesty, especially with how the rules and regs for how the NOM have even been stretched to the max. EMHC's are supposed to be extraordinary, and I've yet to participate in a NOM that didnt have them. I haven't seen an altar rail at regular Parish for years.
They've had halloween costume masses that have been licit, I've seen a priest dressed in jogging shorts and tennis shoes with a race timer behind the altar who had a starter's piston fire at the procession and sprinted out the doors into his marathon, I hear clapping after homilies, none of that invalidate the consecration or the Sunday obligation, but that doesn't make them appropriate.
wbt5845 said:Benedictus Dominus said:
I have never claimed that the ordinary form is not licit, merely that it's a shame and a travesty, especially with how the rules and regs for how the NOM have even been stretched to the max. EMHC's are supposed to be extraordinary, and I've yet to participate in a NOM that didnt have them. I haven't seen an altar rail at regular Parish for years.
They've had halloween costume masses that have been licit, I've seen a priest dressed in jogging shorts and tennis shoes with a race timer behind the altar who had a starter's piston fire at the procession and sprinted out the doors into his marathon, I hear clapping after homilies, none of that invalidate the consecration or the Sunday obligation, but that doesn't make them appropriate.
I don't doubt those things have happened. But if they happened at my parish, I would walk out and find a new parish.
We routinely have 2000 at our 10 AM Sunday mass. If we had to go to the altar rail, we'd be there all day. If someone wants to kneel to receive, they are welcome to do so.
wbt5845 said:
All I can control is the respect and belief I give. My only preference is in regards to my own disposition.
Ordhound04 said:
While I am a personal fan of smells & bells. One should be careful when flippantly dismissing a homily simply because it contains humorous rhetoric.
Fulton Sheen would often began each of his own talks and sermons with a joke. From what I remember, the homilies of Thomas Aquinas we're not exactly doctoral dissertations either, when compared to his summa.
Maybe rather than denigrating the Novus ordo, maybe focus on Liturgical abuse. Because it's a bit disingenuous to say that the lack of the Latin mass is the reason why Catholics Are less In agreement with Certain Catholic teachings.
Ordhound04 said:
Because, let's be honest. The Tridentine mass Is not the liturgy described by Justin martyr.