Is nudity against Christianity?

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Elmer Dobkins
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oldarmy1 said:

And WHY was Isaiah instructed to do so at this time?

"...as a sign and token against Egypt and Cush, 4so the king of Assyria will lead away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Cush, young and old, naked and barefoot with buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt."

SHAME

Funny how context eludes people. It's kinda like taking some bone fragments and claiming significance.

The fact that a nudist colony is remotely accepted amongst purported "christians" tells you all you need to know about their contextual knowledge of God.

Highly agreed. The content of Isaiah's heart wasn't one of a streaker running through the streets of Cush screaming, "We're... We're going streaking! We're going up the quad and to the gymnasium! There... There's more coming......... everybody's doing it". The prophet was foreshadowing shame and judgement.

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RetiredAg said:


So, if nudity is a sin, your claim is that God told Isaiah to sin in order to send a message of shame? Also, God never told Adam and Eve to cover themselves once they ate of the fruit. That was their decision. In the perfect state in which God created man, man was naked.

But, the fact that you feel the need to put the word Christian in quotations to describe those that disagree with you on this tells you all you need to know about your willingness, or lack thereof, to engage in fruitful dialogue. Guess what? One's position on nudism has absolutely nothing to do with their salvation.

Did God cause David to sin when he empowered him to kill Goliath? Did God make Gideon sin whenever He commanded him to use 300 men to slew the Midianites? Was Joshua sinning when he executed capital punishment on Achan to the "glory to the Lord God of Israel"?

Why did Paul address modest apparel in his first epistle to Timothy and his shepherding of the Church at Esphesus?

How do you explain John 21:7? Clearly Peter knew he shouldn't converse with Jesus in his naked state.
oldarmy1
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RetiredAg said:

oldarmy1 said:

And WHY was Isaiah instructed to do so at this time?

"...as a sign and token against Egypt and Cush, 4so the king of Assyria will lead away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Cush, young and old, naked and barefoot with buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt."

SHAME

Funny how context eludes people. It's kinda like taking some bone fragments and claiming significance.

The fact that a nudist colony is remotely accepted amongst purported "christians" tells you all you need to know about their contextual knowledge of God.
So, if nudity is a sin, your claim is that God told Isaiah to sin in order to send a message of shame? Also, God never told Adam and Eve to cover themselves once they ate of the fruit. That was their decision. In the perfect state in which God created man, man was naked.

But, the fact that you feel the need to put the word Christian in quotations to describe those that disagree with you on this tells you all you need to know about your willingness, or lack thereof, to engage in fruitful dialogue. Guess what? One's position on nudism has absolutely nothing to do with their salvation.
I put it in quotes because it is not a christian practice. If it makes you feel better I could put "christians in error and practicing sin".

Exodus 28:40+ God again gave instructions and the reason for clothing. And that clothing even became very specific for those ministering worship:

"40 "For Aaron's sons you shall make tunics; you shall also make sashes for them, and you shall make caps for them, for glory and for beauty.41 You shall put them on Aaron your brother and on his sons with him; and you shall anoint them and ordain them and consecrate them, that they may serve Me as priests. 42 You shall make for them linen breeches to cover their bare flesh; they shall reach from the loins even to the thighs. 43 They shall be on Aaron and on his sons when they enter the tent of meeting, or when they approach the altar to minister in the holy place, so that they do not incur guilt and die. It shall be a statute forever to him and to his descendants after him."

If nakedness were OK, then why wouldn't the priests minister naked? Why would God give specific instructions to the contrary? I call Leviticus 18 the "so you want to be a nudist" rule book". Nakedness is directly tied to shame, immorality, sin, immodesty, etc.

This silliness of a nudist discussion isn't some new enlightenment. It was cultural in early times and summarily rejected by God. And that approach was consistent all the way to the end of God's word:

Revelation 3
"18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see."

Shame was to be Adam and Eve's initial reaction to their nakedness, and again, God never removed that shame. He didn't say "Oh it's just skin, you're beautiful. Now throw off those fig leaves." Once sin entered the world then God clothed Adam and Eve. In fact, throughout Scripture, He continues to use that shame as an illustration.
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7thGenTexan
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None of you ever lusted after a girl with her clothes on?

Are nudists asexual?
schmendeler
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7thGenTexan said:

None of you ever lusted after a girl with her clothes on?

Are nudists asexual?
if you lust after them with their clothes on, what's the protection that clothes offer against lust, again?
PacifistAg
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If it makes you feel better I could put "christians in error and practicing sin".
You can put it that way. It would still be wrong, but if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.


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If nakedness were OK, then why wouldn't the priests minister naked?
If nakedness were wrong, then why would that have been God's default state for creation? You are taking verses and squeezing them to fit your own interpretation. Priests wearing tunics/garments does not mean nudity is inherently wrong.

If it is causing others to stumble, sure we can find some agreement there. But nudity, in and of itself, is not wrong, nor does the Scriptures state as much. If it were, then God would have never commanded Isaiah to walk around naked for 3 years. That there was a purpose for doing so doesn't negate the fact that God gave that command. I'm a big believer that God doesn't command sin, and when one in the OT claims God tells them to do something that is sinful, then it's not really God commanding that but more the person making statements based on their limited understanding of God's nature. They hadn't seen His nature fully revealed to them yet, so they were clearly working on a limited understanding of His nature, which undoubtedly shaped how they understood Him.
7thGenTexan
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schmendeler said:

7thGenTexan said:

None of you ever lusted after a girl with her clothes on?

Are nudists asexual?
if you lust after them with their clothes on, what's the protection that clothes offer against lust, again?


Don't ask me; y'all are the morons saying nudists don't lust.
PacifistAg
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7thGenTexan said:

schmendeler said:

7thGenTexan said:

None of you ever lusted after a girl with her clothes on?

Are nudists asexual?
if you lust after them with their clothes on, what's the protection that clothes offer against lust, again?


Don't ask me; y'all are the morons saying nudists don't lust.
Who said nudists don't lust? I think I've just said that one can be a nudist without looking at others with lust.
Solo Tetherball Champ
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Which circles back to my original position: Most Nudists are people who should not be Nudists, which is why they can look at each other without lust.
PacifistAg
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Solo Tetherball Champ said:

Which circles back to my original position: Most Nudists are people who should not be Nudists, which is why they can look at each other without lust.
Hahaha that's probably true. My brother, as a gag gift, subscribed me to some nudist newsletter. Opened it up and confirmed your above statement. Nothing in there to lust after.

7thGenTexan
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In the real world:
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10777012
PacifistAg
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7thGenTexan said:

In the real world:
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10777012

LOL if you think that's representative of most nudists.

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7thGenTexan said:

In the real world:
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10777012


Links I'm not clicking for $100, Alex.
schmendeler
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AstroAg17 said:

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Still clicked.
DirtDiver
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Ethics were invented by humans. Nothing more.

Which would mean nothing is ever 'wrong' and nothing is ever 'right' depending on which humans view you take.

BusterAg
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Being nude in front of the opposite sex is kind of like purposely scheduling a keg party right across the street from an AA meeting.

Some people say that it is only wrong if people can not separate nakedness from sexuality. I submit that the universe of people that can really do that 100% of the time is very, very small. Men are naturally attracted to nakedness, and women naturally enjoy the attention.

Modest dress is specifically taught in the NT for this reason. What is modest dress? Some of that is cultural, although I am sure that there is a line.
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DirtDiver said:


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Ethics were invented by humans. Nothing more.

Which would mean nothing is ever 'wrong' and nothing is ever 'right' depending on which humans view you take.




Not any more than a religious justification for any ethical program.
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Being nude in front of the opposite sex is kind of like purposely scheduling a keg party right across the street from an AA meeting.

Some people say that it is only wrong if people can not separate nakedness from sexuality. I submit that the universe of people that can really do that 100% of the time is very, very small. Men are naturally attracted to nakedness, and women naturally enjoy the attention.

Modest dress is specifically taught in the NT for this reason. What is modest dress? Some of that is cultural, although I am sure that there is a line.
Must not be around the fatties in Houston.
DirtDiver
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Not any more than a religious justification for any ethical program.

Would you be willing to elaborate on what you mean with maybe an example so I do not misunderstand the point you are trying to make?

BusterAg
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Solo Tetherball Champ said:

Must not be around the fatties in Houston.
There are some dudes that are into that, you know.
rickhou
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To Newhowdyag2004, now I am curious. Where is the family friendly hot springs to which you went?
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BusterAg said:

Being nude in front of the opposite sex is kind of like purposely scheduling a keg party right across the street from an AA meeting.

Some people say that it is only wrong if people can not separate nakedness from sexuality. I submit that the universe of people that can really do that 100% of the time is very, very small. Men are naturally attracted to nakedness, and women naturally enjoy the attention.

Modest dress is specifically taught in the NT for this reason. What is modest dress? Some of that is cultural, although I am sure that there is a line.
I would imagine being around naked women all the time with friends and family all around, you would not find it as titillating. Would be no different than seeing an attractive girl at the beach. You might look but you most likely won't pop a tent.
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Woody2006
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If being nude is sinful, was Jesus born with clothes on?
schmendeler
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Woody2006 said:

If being nude is sinful, was Jesus born with clothes on?
and sandals.
PacifistAg
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Woody2006 said:

If being nude is sinful, was Jesus born with clothes on?
It's only sinful before one is accountable for their actions. That's why it was totally cool for Adam & Eve before the fall. Oh, and don't forget the exception of God commanding you to be naked. Since many believe in a God of moral relativism, if He commands you to sin then it's no longer a sin in that particular instance because God. Unless a nudist can prove that God told them to be naked, as He did w/ Elijah, then it's a sin apparently.
wargograw
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No man or woman saw Adam or Eve in their nakedness, so it's not really a good comparison to point that out when you're talking about hanging out naked in front of a crowd. Is anyone arguing that it'd be a sin for a man and his wife to hang out (no punt intended) naked at their home when they're the only people there? I don't think so. That's basically what Adam and Eve were doing.
schmendeler
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wargograw said:

No man or woman saw Adam or Eve in their nakedness, so it's not really a good comparison to point that out when you're talking about hanging out naked in front of a crowd. Is anyone arguing that it'd be a sin for a man and his wife to hang out (no punt intended) naked at their home when they're the only people there? I don't think so. That's basically what Adam and Eve were doing.


So why did they have clothes when they ate the fruit? There weren't any other humans then.
Sapper Redux
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wargograw said:

No man or woman saw Adam or Eve in their nakedness, so it's not really a good comparison to point that out when you're talking about hanging out naked in front of a crowd. Is anyone arguing that it'd be a sin for a man and his wife to hang out (no punt intended) naked at their home when they're the only people there? I don't think so. That's basically what Adam and Eve were doing.


Christianity has some bizarre hang ups. Eating the literal flesh and blood of another human being in memory of them is cool. Naked people are right out.
wargograw
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Dr. Watson said:

wargograw said:

No man or woman saw Adam or Eve in their nakedness, so it's not really a good comparison to point that out when you're talking about hanging out naked in front of a crowd. Is anyone arguing that it'd be a sin for a man and his wife to hang out (no punt intended) naked at their home when they're the only people there? I don't think so. That's basically what Adam and Eve were doing.


Christianity has some bizarre hang ups. Eating the literal flesh and blood of another human being in memory of them is cool. Naked people are right out.
Your reading comprehension seems to have a pretty vivid imagination.
wargograw
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schmendeler said:

wargograw said:

No man or woman saw Adam or Eve in their nakedness, so it's not really a good comparison to point that out when you're talking about hanging out naked in front of a crowd. Is anyone arguing that it'd be a sin for a man and his wife to hang out (no punt intended) naked at their home when they're the only people there? I don't think so. That's basically what Adam and Eve were doing.


So why did they have clothes when they ate the fruit? There weren't any other humans then.
Is this some kind of Bible knowledge test? Adam and Eve ate the fruit in Genesis 3:6. It's in verse 7 that "they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths." So the premise of your question is incorrect.

wargograw
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Btw no one that I've seen has mentioned Genesis 3:21, "the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them." So these suggestions that God is ok with nudity because of Adam and Eve's is contradicted there.
gordo97
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I'm nude right now posting on this thread.... OK just kidding
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