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Civilians in a country that attacked us directly and was attacking all it's neighbors leaving us not much other options but wasting US lives invading them? Sure.
Your wanton disregard for civilian lives is frightening.
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Your wanton disregard for civilian lives is frightening.
quote:Did the US attack Iraq out of nowhere? Jeez. I may be a bit fuzzy here but I seem to recall some sort of count down and threat if Saddam were to invade Kuwait.
Would an Iraqi be justified in bombing a daycare in the U.S.? He would by your logic.
7nine
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In his speech to the Japanese people presenting his reasons for surrender, the Emperor referred specifically to the atomic bombs, stating if they continued to fight it would result in "...an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation..."
This is unrelated to what I said.
Here let me make it easy for you. If the US arbitrarily bombed Chinas sea port then started asserting itself onto China with plans to over take and force an empire on surrounding lands, then yes China would be justified in A Bombing our major cities.
7nine
So then Iraq would be justified?
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So then Iraq would be justified?
No. The US did not arbitrarily attack Iraq without any warning. We are not trying to enforce any empire. Iraq was a direct result of their President, all be it one we stupidly put in power" invading our ally. We told them what would happen if they invaded.
7nine
quote:quote:Did the US attack Iraq out of nowhere? Jeez. I may be a bit fuzzy here but I seem to recall some sort of count down and threat if Saddam were to invade Kuwait.
Would an Iraqi be justified in bombing a daycare in the U.S.? He would by your logic.
Attacking and occupying Iraq in 2003 was defined as a "preemptive war." The kind the Japanese engaged in once upon a time. The Iraqi people didn't ask us to invade.
I'm trying to figure out your logic in believing it is morally acceptable to kill innocent 3rd parties as an act of revenge or retribution?
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not trying to enforce any empire.
Lol!
quote:Attacking and occupying Iraq was directly a response to a full and constant violation of a signed ceasefire agreement. We were perfectly justified in going back in. It just should have been fully supported by congress as a war and not finagled legalese.quote:quote:Did the US attack Iraq out of nowhere? Jeez. I may be a bit fuzzy here but I seem to recall some sort of count down and threat if Saddam were to invade Kuwait.
Would an Iraqi be justified in bombing a daycare in the U.S.? He would by your logic.
Attacking and occupying Iraq in 2003 was defined as a "preemptive war." The kind the Japanese engaged in once upon a time. The Iraqi people didn't ask us to invade.
7nine
quote:that's for God to decide, right? For me to judge who gets into heaven and who goes to hell would put me on the level of God, and I am far from God.
Do you think Hitler deserves hell?
Because I don't believe a single human deserves hell. I love all humans and think they all are flawed and deserve ultimate grace.
But this little fart of an existence on this rock is nothing. If you start attacking your neighbors, you need to die, but then go to heaven.
I posit that you are far more hateful than I.
I can at most say that Jesus said all who believe in him will be saved. Beyond that, God's on his own in judging man. To hold Christians responsible for a decision they don't make, nor one you know the outcome to, is not fair.
quote:LOL have you not shown your ass enough to be a complete absent minded dolt? Keep on removing all doubt.quote:
not trying to enforce any empire.
Lol!
7nine
quote:I can not fathom the amount of hate one must be able to live with in order to believe in and follow a god that they believe will send people to suffer for all eternity for not believing in him.
that's for God to decide, right?
7nine
Your mouth is foaming.
Wow. This thread has devolved. The Iraq war was not justified in 2003 but if viewed as an extension of the Gulf War it may be justified. 41 and 43 made the same mistakes. We never should have gone to war with Iraq without a formal declaration and terms of unconditional surrender.
quote:Only because the Astros are blowing it.
Your mouth is foaming.
But your antics are lightening my mood. I love jesters who show their ass.
7nine
quote:It has nothing to do with revenge or retribution. I am 100% against revenge or retribution. That's why I stopped believing in the Bible.
I'm trying to figure out your logic in believing it is morally acceptable to kill innocent 3rd parties as an act of revenge or retribution?
The bombing of Japan was a necessary evil.
7nine
Holy smokes this thread needs to die.
But maybe we shouldn't kill it but rather find a peaceful non-American way to end it.
But maybe we shouldn't kill it but rather find a peaceful non-American way to end it.
7nine
quote:If we had to invade the Japanese mainland it would be a bloodbath. If we were winning 100s of thousands of innocent Japanese would have committed suicide.quote:
quote:What are the acceptable means for ending the war?
As for resulting in fewer deaths, I'm not much of an "ends justify the means" kind of person.
It starts with not killing innocent civilians.
quote:Another person who didn't read anything worth reading.quote:If we had to invade the Japanese mainland it would be a bloodbath. If we were winning 100s of thousands of innocent Japanese would have committed suicide.quote:
quote:What are the acceptable means for ending the war?
As for resulting in fewer deaths, I'm not much of an "ends justify the means" kind of person.
It starts with not killing innocent civilians.
quote:Hey... no need for name calling. Let's keep it civil. ..
You must be a democrat...
quote:quote:If we had to invade the Japanese mainland it would be a bloodbath. If we were winning 100s of thousands of innocent Japanese would have committed suicide.quote:
quote:What are the acceptable means for ending the war?
As for resulting in fewer deaths, I'm not much of an "ends justify the means" kind of person.
It starts with not killing innocent civilians.
It was unnecessary to invade Japan. As I pointed out earlier, a blockade would have been just as effective and cost significantly fewerror American and Japanese lives.
Well. . . this escalated quickly after I left work yesterday.
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Holy smokes this thread needs to die.
But maybe we shouldn't kill it but rather find a peaceful non-American way to end it.
Whats wrong with the American way of doing things? I propose we offer TexAgs management a handful of beads for ownership of this thread and then systematically eradicate the posts until only a few posts remain. We will quarantine these posts to a secluded part of these forums where they remain, largely ignored, as a worn out shell of the proud thread it once was.
In terms of creating the bomb, someone else would have been the first, if we had not. If we continued not to, it's arguable that it would have been used or threatened to have been used by someone truly awful.
What happened instead is that two superpowers got it and invested a ton of money in weapons they would never use.
What happened instead is that two superpowers got it and invested a ton of money in weapons they would never use.
McNamara disagrees with this as well. He says we got extremely close - much closer than people think - in the Cuban missile crisis. In The Fog of War, he presents the evidence. He also says that it could easily happen again today.
As for some truly horrible country using nuclear weapons, so far only one has. It ain't Pakistan or China.
As for some truly horrible country using nuclear weapons, so far only one has. It ain't Pakistan or China.
quote:It's sad how much of a joke you come off as.
McNamara disagrees with this as well. He says we got extremely close - much closer than people think - in the Cuban missile crisis. In The Fog of War, he presents the evidence. He also says that it could easily happen again today.
As for some truly horrible country using nuclear weapons, so far only one has. It ain't Pakistan or China.
7nine
What did he say that was incorrect or a "joke"?
I already exposed his pathetic farce. As soon as I pointed out how his beloved Switzerland did horrible things his answer is "no one is righteous".
He's a complete joke and his fellation of McNamara is pretty laughable. Even the left knows McNamara still didn't fess up to how bad he f'ed up vietnam.
He's a complete joke and his fellation of McNamara is pretty laughable. Even the left knows McNamara still didn't fess up to how bad he f'ed up vietnam.
7nine
You know nothing - and I do mean nothing - about the subject.
For starters, I invite you again to learn from a joke like McNamara. The documentary is available on Anazon Instant.
Or, continue to blissfully wallow in ignorance and worship an America that never existed. Elites count on people exactly like you never even attempting to learn.
For starters, I invite you again to learn from a joke like McNamara. The documentary is available on Anazon Instant.
Or, continue to blissfully wallow in ignorance and worship an America that never existed. Elites count on people exactly like you never even attempting to learn.
Let's take up a donation to pay to move his US hating ass away shall we.
7nine
quote:Look at you. Do you seriously not even have the intellectual pride to find other sources for your lemming like beliefs than one man you apparently worship?
For starters, I invite you again to learn from a joke like McNamara
7nine
You're losing control now.
If you'd like to know about the Cuban Missile Crisis, President Kennedy's closest adviser is a nice place to start. If you'd like to know about the bombing of Japan, a member of Lemay's team is a good place to start. If you'd like to know about the Vietnam War, the Sec of Defense for that war is a good place to start.
If you'd like to know about the Cuban Missile Crisis, President Kennedy's closest adviser is a nice place to start. If you'd like to know about the bombing of Japan, a member of Lemay's team is a good place to start. If you'd like to know about the Vietnam War, the Sec of Defense for that war is a good place to start.
quote:It is "hating" to point out the horrifying evil committed by the US and to not buy into the myth of American exceptionalism?
Let's take up a donation to pay to move his US hating ass away shall we.
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