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shifty, What do you consider traditional christianity? Because if you consider what was practiced in acts as traditional christianity, I doubt the church you go to today looks anything like the church in acts. Does your church use a microphone, take communion from small cups in a tray or have an organ? I'm pretty sure the church spoken of in the bible had none of these things.

There is nothing wrong with being culturally relevant. If you prefer the conservative and "traditional" style of worship thats your boat to float and dogma, not gospel like you seem to imply.

Is there something about Biblical inerrancy and worship-in-jeans that go together?

Given enough spare time, people will find fault with everything under creation. And if fault doesn't exists, then they'll make one.

It's hard to imagine what it would feel like, if everyone was critical of your beliefs, and unfairly characterized them.

Oh wait, no it's not.



I'm interested in exploring and understanding where Christianity is going in the United States, and whether these developments are positive or not. As an outsider to "true Christianity", I have a vantage point that you "true Christians" cannot have.

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Is there something about Biblical inerrancy and worship-in-jeans that go together?

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Is there something saying that you can't worship in jeans? I even had a

Is it sinful for women to have braided hair in church? Should they not wear jewelry? What about a simple gold wedding band? That is specifically banned in 1 Timothy 2.

So if you are not a "true" Christian as you say, what are you?

I don't know what to call myself.

"Mormon" seems so quaint, when you have the alternative "false religion founded by a pedophile."

Gnostic Christian?

American Gnostic Burned-Over Christian? I kind of like that. That's what I am.

Catholics see the Bible as one of the three pillars of the church. They do not view the bible as the only source for church teaching. I don't know what the Breakaway wording is, but that could be it. In general organizations like this tend to run more Baptist and "non-denominational".

A lot of people get something from Breakaway. I was never into the Praise and worship pop scene, so it wasn't for me. that doesn't mean it isn't a very fine organization.


I also see the extremely casual worship service as something that probably isn't the best direction for things. Personally I think that we need to treat our Sunday services with reverence and importance. Allowing a more casual service though does reach some people that may have been more intimidated about coming to church before. So, in that sense it does serve a purpose. If it's not for you then attend another church / service.

Reverence happens in the heart, not in the closet.

I would agree TD, but it is certainly easier to have a more casual approach to worship if you are dressed to go to the movies. People act differently if they are dressed differently, for the most part. People are expected to dress nicer for work for a reason. I think the same applies to church. Dressing nicer can help to put you in a different mind set about the importance of what you are doing.

My thoughts on this are very general, I am not saying that someone with ripped jeans and flip flops on at Sunday services can't be reverent.

Breakaway originated as a small Bible study. There is some great biblical teaching going on every Tuesday night at reed arena and I encourage you to go check it out and see what it is like for yourself.

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yes and no.

God did prescribe particular clothing while in His presense in the tabernacle.

If I am in CS on a Tuesday night, and I have the time, I would like to check it out, just to see what it is like. Obviously, sitting with people swaying to a praise-band, with arms outstretched above their heads would feel strange to me, but I'm certain my mode of sitting in Sunday dress on a pew, reverently and quietly, would be strange to others. I like seeing how other people do things.

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God did prescribe particular clothing while in His presense in the tabernacle.

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Which, in part, explains why Mormons have a unique dress code in temple ceremonies. It is Biblical.

Or is it Biblical-inerrant? I'm not sure.

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Which, in part, explains why Mormons have a unique dress code in temple ceremonies. It is Biblical.

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Too bad they don't follow the Biblical model. They follow the Masonic model.

There were no Green Aprons in Exodus 28 or 29.

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And there's plenty of stuff people were instructed to do in the OT that don't exactly apply now. Aren't we in his presence at all times now anyways? Does his Spirit not dwell in our hearts (1Cor 6)? Should poor people be excluded from going to church on the basis that they can't afford nice looking clothes?

Shifty - what do you mean by "gnostic christian?"

shifty, would you mind posting what your association, if any, is with TAMU?

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Aren't we in his presence at all times now anyways?

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Yes. The disconnect is that the Catholic and Orthodox Christians believe that Jesus is trully present (body, soul and divinity) in the cosecrated Eucharist...much in the same way that God was present in the tabernacle. In fact the pace where the eucharist is kept is called the tabernacle.

Breakaway is a great ministry and played a big role in me accepting Christ.

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yes and no.

God did prescribe particular clothing while in His presense in the tabernacle.

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And do you know anybody who wears that type of chothing today?

The Catholic priests don't dress like the ones from the tribe of Levi.

Just an observation. I don't care. Even though the priestly garb was a bit cool looking.

I recall Breakaway was popular among many students at St. Mary's. It was always a great source for praise music for our retreats and even some of the meditational music at Mass.


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