Looks like the date that's set...

horrible decision if you ask me, but I guess if I have to choose Burn or Football...I'll be at Bonfire...maybe some other former student that doesn't live in town might choose the same...

What football is this you speak of? We don't have a game that day, and if you're worried about having to compete with all the other games out there, well those people probably didn't care enough to be there in the first place.

To me, this is ideal for a number of reasons and I think many many people will support this decision.

Ok, do we have some kind of "Freaky Friday" body-switching thing going on here?

Scott Coker '92

It's sure going to make it easier on those of us who are out of towners to make it. If there's no game that weekend then I'm all in.

Yeah Scott, I was confused here too.

But like the other poster said, it will make coming in from out of town much easier for those not in BCS. Depending on where it's at this year, I would be expecting some pretty darn good numbers. This influx could be attributed to another year of experience under the belt, but the timing will be a great help to nearly all.

Good call on the date!

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it will make coming in from out of town much easier for those not in BCS.

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unless they work, and plan on attending the game...as that was the entire point of this thread...

I'm not saying it's a bad date, just an uncomfortable decision to have to make (between the game and Bonfire) when you live and work 4 hours away and can't exactly take off 2 very separate days in the same week to make a 500 mile round trip twice...

I can see it causing an event that Texas A&M and some others might think is completely unplanned, but it will be simply amazing. As Bonfire winds down, and the avoidance of the mass gathering act kicks in, people will actually want to leave, if they have not left already. 2 hours and 42 mintues after the magic stroke of midnight, when the atendees must disappear, there will be another gathering, impromptu as always, on the Polo Fields...it may just be one of the largest in recent history.

I don't know how many there are out there, but I'm sure there are still some folks who drive into town for the morning of November 18th. Some may support us, some may not...and burning that night could potentially be a very touchy subject. While it would be nice to see as many "memorial" folks out at Burn as possible, please try to avoid pushing them...it will only leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths...and just see what happens.

That was for the most part incoherent, but ok.

So when do you think would be the best time to have it that would attract the greatest number or people AND allow all those who want to come out to come out?

Obviously Thanksgiving night was perfect for many many reasons. So if you don't have it the very night before, most people would agree the Saturday before would be great because the vast majority of people are off work, kids are out of school, no class the next day, allows for travel time both before and after. The list goes on.

I'm curious to hear why you think a Saturday burn is such a bad idea. Because you can't get off work twice in a week? That' understandable, but there are tens of thousands of other people to consider here...and thousands of dollars as well.

Square one, if you thought the previous post was incoherent you need to repeat freshman English. He's right about the fact that some will be upset about the proximity to 2:42 on the 18th. Just be aware of this and don't blow it off!

Gig'Em & God Bless

The meaning of it wasn't lost on me, be sure of that. I think somebody will be unhappy about the date and time no matter what.

To me this seems like the best possible decision both for ASB as well as those who wish to attend bonfire.

But again, be sure, I'm not confused as to why another gathering of greater importance will take place the next morning. Having burn the night prior might very well bring more people out there and allow more people to take part in one of the more magical and awe inspiring displays of Aggie Spirit than ever before.

Yet another good reason to have burn on the 17th.

square-

you are a complete idiot. tim's parents hit it dead on. it isn't about what is convenient, it is about respect. learn it or reschedule.

A complete idiot for thinking that burn should be something convenient for people? Right, ok, now you're making sense.

And never once did I show any disrespect towards the Kerlee family, or Bonfire in general. As a matter of fact, I said that having burn on that particular night would allow MORE people to pay their respects.

Thanks for adding your two cents to the conversation though, we all appreciate it.

Anybody else have any thoughts for or against having it on the 17th? Is there anybody else besides Rebel who thinks there may be a better option?

Square one, don't misunderstand my post. I didn't say we were opposed or in favor of the night, just that all should be aware that it would bother some. No disrespect taken.

Gig'Em & God Bless

Good, sorry if I came across a little rough. It was the other poster's remark that put me off a little.

I'm really curious (still) to hear some better alternatives to this date or hear other people come out in support of it.

I think it's pretty obvious that you should have it the night before the game. I know I will not drive down for Bonfire if I was going to have to come back for the game in a few days.

The only reason it was ever moved from the traditional date was because in '02 it was an away game and we didn't expect anyone would stick around after school got out to attend something they had no idea about.

I think the time has come to move back to the traditional date. The actual event of Bonfire was so much about the football game... that's one area where you guys are continuing to fail. Not once have I ever heard anyone say "I'm so glad ya'll do this on the weekend, it was such a hassel to go during the week in the old days."

and I also don't see coinciding with the anniversary as a positive thing at all. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I agree. In a sense, I think bonfire has been greatly removed from A&M for a number of reasons we're all very aware of. But the simple timing of it has made it "just another event" instead of the prelude to the biggest game of our year, every year.

Burn falling on the anniversary is what it is unfortunately. It doesn't diminish anybody's memory or legacy of what bonfire was before '99 or the tragedy in '99. It simply is. I've mentioned it before on this thread and I'll say it again, I think this burn falling on this night will give potentially thousands more Aggies the chance to see something really really special on campus.

Really? I mean honestly you think there will be thousands of people showing up for Burn who've never been to the polo fields on 11/18, and who otherwise would not go? I don't understand your reasoning on this. I disagree that it "is what it is". What it is is scheduling on what is probably not even the best night for variety of logistical reasons. And on top of all that it has the potential to be offensive to the victim's friends and families and the Aggie family in general.

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As a matter of fact, I said that having burn on that particular night would allow MORE people to pay their respects.

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Or was I the one that said that?

If your event has such a great potential to be offensive simply based on the night on which it occurs, perhaps you have bigger problems than scheduling, whadda ya think?

And Rebel, it is possible for two people to have similar thoughts or opinions on the matter.

Redass, please share some of these "logistical reasons" you forsee.

Howdy guys - First time poster here.

Doesn't A&M have Midnight Yell the night before? I don't think Student Bonfire could compete with that, being that its an "official" event and bonfire being off-campus.

This issue comes up each year and there is no real good way to analyze or predict the crowds as OC Bonfire has only had a few years to figure things out. There's a lot of events packed into a tight week for a lot of people so the best you can do is just pick a day early in the planning and advertise the hell out of it. No matter what day you choose, it will be a better option than waiting until the last minute and then scrambling to tell people through the (limited) information outlets.

good call dean. I seem to remember it being at dark thirty? or 830 as i was told. is that the case again this year?

November 22, 8;00 p.m. – t.u. Yell Practice, Kyle Field

http://yell.tamu.edu/?page_id=6


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I live in Dallas and think the date is awesome. It is going to be great. I also have talked to my aggie friends up here and they tend to agree with me.

I have not agreed with SquareOne on very many things, but I have to agree with this one. He has already said that the night before would be good, but so is the Saturday before. I tend to agree. These are the only two days that most out-of-towners would take a chance on this "new" Bonfire to see what its about. And don't kid yourself, it's still in that stage. Also, I don't understand this talk about the next morning at 2:42. This is a GOOD thing. It has been driven home many times that this Bonfire, at least in part, is built in memory of the 12 fallen and 27 injured in '99. I will gladly burn this fire and head over to the Bonfire Memorial in the early hours of 11/18 to again pay my respects.

I'll go on record and say this date is awesome too. Vin...err, Rebel, are you seeing that there are many Ags and old Ags alike who think this idea is the best available?

Also, I was wondering what the feedback was on the Tuesday burn? What did those involved and not involved have to say about it? Did it affect attendance or anything like that? Simply looking at these sorts of numbers/how people felt baout this day compared to previous dates should give those curious about which day might be best a pretty definitive answer.

It sure gets quiet in here when you people start agreeing with me.

That makes me laugh.

Don't get cocky Square one.

Gig'Em & God Bless

ha sorry, just a strange feeling, thanks for keeping me humble!

Square-

sorry if i haven't been so responsive to your taunts but i have a full time job and family that are higher on my priority list than you.

i've spent many an hour working on bonfire. i have watched it being built and witnessed it fall. i lost alot of friends and have helped my buddies who were injured. i would like to get on board with your quest to bring Aggie Bonfire back but people like you make me wonder if the spirit or purpose remains. you come across as very selfish and arrogant. my purpose is to remember the loved ones that i lost and the remember the loved ones that others have lost in '99.

you will obviously trudge on with whatever outcome you seek. i, however, will always honor and remember those that i've lost and were lost.

Wow, I honestly do not know where that came from. I mean no disrespect whatsoever to anybody who has ever been involved with bonfire and certainly not those involved or affected by the tragedy. And when I commented on the lack of response, I wasn't talking about you, I was referring to all the others who usually jump out in masse to attack any thought of mine that differs from their's.

I have no idea how I offended you or anybody else by what I've said in this conversation. I am hesitant to even respond to your post at all out of concern that I give creedence to you. I sympathize about your experience with Bonfire and I'm terribly sorry for your losses as well as everybody else's, though if you think I am "taunting" you in any way or insulting you or any others, then you're dead wrong.

Back to the topic...who's for and against an 11/17 burn?

I was about to be against it and say have it the night before the game - then someone pointed out that yell practice at Kyle is that night and the two events should not be held on the same night. If the night before the game is out, the Saturday before the game is the next best option.

It is a very sensitive date, though, and that should be considered as well. The Kerlee's have the most right to have an opinion on this subject - moreso than any of the rest of us, and they seem okay with it as long as the reverence is still upheld. If I'm not interpreting that correctly, someone let me know.

Got a site yet?

http://www.studentbonfire.com
As things were planned out last year, that stack site was reserved and signed for multiple years...rumor has it that burn will be at Mr. Davis's ranch, just outside of Blackjack once again.

[]1,

As I also have a full time job, and no internet access in my home at the moment, I don't always have the ability to reply or even read posts...

I believe you think I am against an 11/17/07 burn. You are mistaken. I am simply more in favor of the night before. The saturday before is not a bad choice, only in light of tradition, very far away from the game that Bonfire is supposed to support.

It also risks stepping on toes...maybe not yours or mine...but there are other toes out there...as I remember someone saying once: I'm just giving out an alternative perspective...

I would like to point out, to anyone reading these threads that thinks []1 has any say in decision making, or is in any way completely informed, that I have a lot of ocean front property for sale in Colorado...and a bridge you may also be interested in.

After talking to the redpots, the night of 11/17 is the "safe gamble". While Thanksgiving night has the potential to be "the best it's ever been", it is a bad spot to put the Aggies in...

If A&M Football comes around and has an exceptional season, which is what we are all hoping for, the A&M v. t.u. game could very probably be on prime time television, which means a late game...a game that people drive into town that morning to watch.

In short, burning on Thanksgiving would basically be hoping that the Aggies have a bad enough football season to play an early game.

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Well, since having a full time job seems to be all the rage these days, I too have one. And I'm working about 50 hours a week, does that give me more credibility or should my opinion matter more because of it? Nope.

And where to begin here...

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horrible decision if you ask me

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don't really seem to align with one another. So is it a horrible idea or isn't it? Make up your mind. It's ok to have a different point of view than others, and just because others involved in your club see it as a good fit doesn't mean you can't. Stick to your guns.

Secondly, you're always going to be stepping on toes, no matter what you do. Always. And I don't think anybody here or that reads these threads is under the impression that I have a say in the matter. And believe me, I'm fine with that. Really. But the ears of ASB should be more receptive to those not in the organization. Not me, that's fine, but others might be worth a hear. I'm pretty informed by the way, you'd be surprised what I know, and you'd be even more surprised what I can know. I don't mean this as a threat in any way, I'm just saying it's not always wise to go around calling people you've never even met ignorant.

Lastly, the game on T+1 is set. It's at 2:30. Settled. So it doesn't matter what kind of season the Ags have, that's when we're on TV.

So this leaves me now even more confused, is 11/17 horrible? A "safe gamble"? A not bad idea? A good idea? You've in some way expressed all of these opinions, so which is it?