However, and Rebel, I know you would love nothing more than to be able to discredit each and everything I know, but at the time the incident occured, which as Jayci said is long gone and the slate is clean...only brought up by people like you because you think it rubs me wrong...

But at the time it occured both Joey and Curly had accepted their positions. It's not as if they were "Red-pot elects". No, they took their position and later dropped it. Just because they failed to complete their obligations does not mean that they ever took part in it.

Sorry, just felt I needed to clear that up, y'know, for fear that somebody might get any misinformation. And Rebel, what I know and the impression people like you still give of student bonfire are quite current and not 2 years removed from bonfire.

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Yes they were...

why do you think they pick so many? If 4 had picked 4...and the same percentage dropped there would have been 2 left. It is near impossible for anybody to be completely ready or really have any clue what will be expected of them when they accept the position. Once they do, the next few months are used to find out which selections are going to stick with it...which ones will take the reins and which will tip their hat and say "good luck".

What's a Green Pot?

Neither one of them ever says anything about being a JRP. Everybody knows that they were picked and then later dropped for various reasons. What those reasons are has no bearing here and is not important to anyone other than them. Squareone's terminology was simply stating what was at the time of the occurance.

And TexRebel is it really that important to point that out?

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I'll take this one seriously. The GPs were created for people (read: women) who didn't care to spend the day cutting/loading/stacking but still wanted to help with Bonfire. They have been asked in previous years to handle merchendise, money, donations, office/clerical work, taxes, business filings, accounting, and other administrative duties. In the early years of SB, the Greens took care of food, all financial transactions, parking, and quite a bit of event planning.

The GPs are lead by the Head GP who is advised by the Board Treasurer and reports to the Head Stack.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you can read this in English, thank a Soldier.

Hey now TR, I may have been unable to "serve out my term" but to say that I didn't do anything is just plain wrong. I did go out quite a bit and sit and watch people do actual work.

Edit: spelling

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lol curly...

Chunks...none of that was meant to be insulting or demeaning...I was simply pointing out that it takes a certain type of person at a certain time in their lives to be able to fulfill the duties of a redpot. For whatever reason, some people either just plain cut out for the job, or some people that are perfect for it, cannot because of other things going on at that time in their lives...

in my honest opinion, it sometimes takes a bigger person to step down from a position they want with all of their heart because they know/feel that they will be unable to give it their all.

nevermind...

[This message has been edited by SquareOne07 (edited 1/5/2007 7:14p).]

Not to sure about many of the others here but regardless of what you think you don't really get under my skin. I simply choose to correct the statements you make here so that a bonfire layman won't get a wrong impression by the stupid crap you say.

I actually find it somewhat funny to see you post here because I know every time it will be a useless bunch of garbage.

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why do you think they pick so many?

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because in old army, there were 7 junior reds and 8 senior. and it's an incredibly large job, and because there are on average like 4 of them it's a huge strain, hence picking more in order to lessen the workload.

who are you, pro-bonfire? who am i conversing with?

I dont ever recall conversing with you directly. So Ill take it as square wishes to know who is correcting his often mistated comments.

As to who I am:
I am a nobody bonfire lover that chooses to defend bonfire. I think that pretty much covers what you (or square) need to know.

And before anybody says it... No I'm not a mocho TexAgs poster that is trying to hide behind the internet. I just choose to keep my name seperate from this board. Afterall it's a right I have on TexAgs right?? So shoot me down if you wish no skin off my back.

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because in old army, there were 7 junior reds and 8 senior.

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in the numbers you quoted, it is even obvious that the number was not entirely consistant from year to year...

Back then, there was also a lot more incentive (read: pressure) to stick it out and do a job that you may not be ready/qualified to do.

There was also a larger pool of members to pick from. As well as help from the administration (read: folks who did what the current redpots do but got paid for it because it was their job).

There were no plans for any of the JRP picks last year to drop...but as always it is known that it is a possibility. Had none dropped, there would have been 8...had 8 dropped there would have been lots of work to be covered by others.

Nope pro, like it's been said before, I don't speak for Jayci and she doesn't feel obligated to stick up for me, especially around here. If I cared to even ask who you were, I would, knowing full well you wouldn't say, so...meh. Don't be an ass to her though just because she knows me, that's just lame, and hell, don't be an ass to me, you don't even know me...but more importantly, don't be an ass to her.

As far as you Pro and you correcting me so some layman doesn't get the wrong impression of bonfire, maybe I'm just not conveying your impression. Is it ok if I have my own impression? I know having a different point of view around here isn't that popular and I'm not in the "let's pat ourselves on the back about how redass and 'old army' we are" club, but I figured maybe some different takes on the same thing might open a few eyes as to why the rest of the world thinks the way they do of you sometimes.

Rebel, I don't know what information of mine you're saying is incorrect. At the time said incident occured, Joey was a red. However like Chunks said, none of that is paramount to the discussion being held. I've got no problem with him anymore, everything has been cleared up as best I know and as far as I'm concerned. But to entirely deny he ever had anything to do with leadership is flat out untrue, not loyal to your own fellow members, and unfair to Joey for the work he did do while he served. And about this "person on the fence" being swayed by me, that's absurd. I have no more ability to turn somebody off to bonfire than you do to turn somebody on to bonfire, in the end, it's their decision. But behavior like what I've been witness to and the things I've learned about surely have swayed me from somebody who participated to somebody who no longer does. You guys do both the recruiting and the pushing away all on your own. Don't blame me because people are revolted by attitudes like your's.

Oh and pro...who might you say is being macho and hiding behind the internet?

You guys...

When I saw this new emoticon, I immediately thought of this thread. I am hereby christening it to the Bonfire board on you bonfire kiddos. Congrats!

It's a big crybaby for those of you who couldn't quite wrap your minds around it...

Or maybe for some of you, it's you on your knees teary eyed but open mouthed in worship of your superiors.

correction, the above crybaby/open-mouth-worshipping emoticon isn't for all of you, only some.

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However, and Rebel, I know you would love nothing more than to be able to discredit each and everything I know, but at the time the incident occured, which as Jayci said is long gone and the slate is clean...only brought up by people like you because you think it rubs me wrong...

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it wasn't brought up by me...you answered somebody else's post and were incorrect in what you posted. I cleared things up.

I'm sorry we've made you cry...wait...no I'm not.

you must have missed it again, why does this not surprise me?

I wasn't being an ass to anybody here, if I were though I'm quite sure that would be directed to you. BTW how can you be so sure you don't know me or that I don't know me. You after all would have to know who I was to determine that correct?

The reason afterall I choose to leave my name off of here is to avoid unneeded confrontation between anybody. Afterall Im not sure anybody getting a black eye would fix things on this board.

As far as my impression not being conveyed??? I think its more as your not conveying the impression anybody from bonfire wishes to be conveyed.

BTW... I wasn't trying to say anybody on this board was being macho and trying to hide behind the internet, hell for that matter I didn't even imply you were.

Also... I didn't know any of this discussion had anything to do with any of the leaders of bonfire. I don't worship any leaders of bonfire, I do however respect their decisions and all of the work they do for a great tradition.

On the other hand I guess you could say I do worship and love the bonfire tradition and everything to do with it. I would hardly say anybody here is a crybaby though. Then agian thats just my opinion and as you always imply that could be a wrong opinion such as I will imply that over 90% of your opinions are wrong. (never did I say that you were always wrong though just wrong in the way that you express them at times)

Well...if I know you...uhmm, well, good to talk toy ou again.

Nobody is giving you a hard time for not telling anybody who you are, that's totally fine, there's no need to be defensive about it. As far as the black eye thing goes, I suppose that would be a legitimate concern to have around here being people's adament reactions to any criticism towards something they're passionate about. Hell, I almost saw a girl get hit for it...

Why can't discussion be held without fear of somebody finding you and attacking you based on your views about bonfire of all things. I think it's pretty funny how some of you get so pissed off at me and wish I was the one Joey punched...again, all because of bonfire.

I'm sorry I'm not conveying the impression you wish to be conveyed. Next time I'm asked how I feel about anything, I'll be sure to come to you guys and see what my opinion regarding the matter is. C'mon on...my opinion(s) regarding bonfir are justified and well founded, I don't need y'all's support or agreeance.

Again, all of this, especially this thread in particular has given a great deal to saying you guys have lost a great deal of perspective when it comes to things not-bonfire. That's alright though, I suppose short-sightedness is a virtue in your corner of the world. Carry on and go get pissed off at somebody for me about their opinions, it'll serve you well!

Pro, for the record, I do have a genuine respect for you for a number of reasons. You don't seem to be the problem.

Leaders entered this discussion when you mentioned that my opinions are what got me a black eye. I felt it necessary to let you know the truth is that one of my good friends, in defense of a girl, was given a black eye by one of the then leaders of bonfire. And then they all started getting catty.

But as for you, I respect the way you disagree but don't insist on being a tw@ about it. However...saying 90% of my opinions are wrong really doesn't do too well. If you would ever get me away from behind this name and your's and talked to me, you would entirely understand my position, and although I in no way insist you agree with me, you'll understand.

And as for the superior-worship going on around here, in my two years it seemed like people would do damn near anything to get in the favor of the yellows or grays...it was sickening and ridiculous and that again really made me question the motives of bonfire and made me view it as little more than a boys' club.

edit: people sure have been kind of quiet regarding Jayci's response. This doesn't surprise me in the least.

[This message has been edited by SquareOne07 (edited 1/6/2007 10:09a).]

(Since this thread has already been hijacked systematically, let me return it to the original topic.)

You guys turn me off of Texags. The endless bickering and *****ing, the constant battle for "dominance" of the Bonfire forums, the hijacking of threads to spout your unrelated opinions, and the general overall a$$-hattery of threads like this makes we want to vomit... and the last time I checked people who fit these exact descriptions are by definition... TROLLS.

I have absolutely no problem with stating your opinion and providing insight where applicable (even with dissenting opinion or negative feedback), but bickering without end in the "defense of dissenting opinion" is not shedding light on or improving the perception of others the way you intend... it is doing exactly what has occurred, it pisses people off.

Let me add, it is not too late. I must admit I thought 11449's initial postings in the Bonfire Forum might benefit some discussions with his different perspective, which he stated was an original intent, but more recently restating the same message in just about every thread has homogenized this forum and completely stopped the flow of any new ideas. Square, it's not too late to revert to your original goal and make this forum better. Otherwise, everyone DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

There are always two sides to a story Square. A personal matter that your friend was involved in should not be brought up without the other side around to straighten the story.

I can't speak for everyone when I tell you that my disdain for you is not because of Bonfire, but because of the slander you are spreading about something I am passionate about...but I'm sure that thought is not too far off for anybody else.

As far as the "worship" going on. Bonfire is in fact a semi-military style organization...just think of it as Engineering Corps type work. The Reds & Browns know what has to be done, and they are the ones that know how it is going to get done. They cannot always tell the entire crew, since there is other work that must be done simultaneously, so they delegate work and some oversight to the yellows/butts.

If things were not run this way, they would not run as smooth either. Once people start to have the "to hell with leadership, I'm doing it my way" attitude, things start to not fit together, or work together, or stay together.

It also comes from a respect for what they do...my first year in Bonfire I gave it my all, spent every extra waking hour I had doing something Bonfire related (cut, stack, recruiting, etc...) and knew that there were a handfull of people that were still doing a whole lot more than that...back then I did what I could to make their lives a little bit easier...it wasn't worship, it was encouragment.

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Snoball, if you don't want to read, don't. Nobody is forcing anybody to read anything.

Rebel, what slander are you speaking of?

Lots of *****ing going on around here. You guys clearly must have your panties in a wad about something. Again, my sincerest apologies for the differing viewpoints on your beloved boy's club.

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I felt it necessary to let you know the truth is that one of my good friends, in defense of a girl, was given a black eye by one of the then leaders of bonfire.

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Personal business with somebody that 90% of the world doesn't know was in leadership should not be brough out...ever

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And as for the superior-worship going on around here, in my two years it seemed like people would do damn near anything to get in the favor of the yellows or grays...it was sickening and ridiculous and that again really made me question the motives of bonfire and made me view it as little more than a boys' club.

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bad claim followed by slander

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and wish I was the one Joey punched...again, all because of bonfire

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why does Bonfire have anything to do with it?

Terry, I'm sincerely sorry that Bonfire was not the Frat that you wanted it to be...

would all of you grow up and move on? is it not a sorry sight that you guys dont have anything better to do than get worked up over a stupid forum? might i mention this again..

this has nothing to do with bonfire. shut the hell up.

Please move this to the General Board and give us back our Bonfire forum, which used to be an awesome place to talk about memories and talk about the good times.

Everybody that knows me surely knows my sincere admiration and adoration of frats. I like how if you don't like the narrow minded jerks that are bonfire guys, you must love frats. Neat.

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Slander: saying of something false and damaging: the act or offense of saying something false or malicious that damages somebody's reputation

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Perhaps you could let me know the false part of what I've said. I'm sorry this is all a blemish on what you perceive to be a sparkly clean reputation, but to be honest, I don't give a damn about your reputation or what people think about you or your club.

You guys are something else, need I remind you all that everybody was so quick to jump on board the thread before you say that I'm the reason for this. Point fingers away...

Rebel, do your homework, look up words like slander before you accuse me of it. Thanks.

I apologize to everybody bothered or upset by this thread, like Jayci and Shark. However, for those who have been bothered by it, look no further than the very title of the thread and those who took part in it and make your judgements from there. All I've said is the truth when it comes to the facts, and the rest is the impression I understandably get from individuals like Rebel.

Again, sorry to those of you who think this is nonsense, it is nonsense, I agree. Take it up with pro, or better yet, take it up with Rebel, who really just can't seem to get enough of me. Or maybe he just wants to keep using big boy words like slander only to have me tell him what they really mean. Thanks, and sorry.

Lets not forget the original intent of this thread square.... It was to make mockery of your thread "people who compare 9/11 and 11/18 are idiots" so therefore whats to say that I am the only one starting nonsense threads around here and that I should the one who people are taking it up with?

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Rebel, do your homework, look up words like slander before you accuse me of it. Thanks.

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I didn't have to look it up. It was not a false accusation. Your own definition hurt your case.

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It wasn't my definition, it's THE definition.

I love the big vag battle going on here. Rebel, Square and Pro, slugging it out one poosy punch at a time.

Hi, we don't need you helping us.