OFF CAMPUS BONFIRE 2002

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sam`00
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I'll speak for myself and say that I'd never seal any plans for Bonfire. Aside from the lives at risk, it means risking your livelihood to design the structure that would satisfy most of the posters on the board.

BTW, this is who you think. Finally decided to get a cable modem at home again last week. It's been a while since I've checked out Texags but it doesn't seem to have changed much.
Keegan99
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I'll speak for myself and say that I'd never seal any plans for Bonfire.


You fully licensed already?

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Aside from the lives at risk, it means risking your livelihood to design the structure that would satisfy most of the posters on the board.


I don't think many here, including myself, want anything extravagant. I'd be happy with a design similar to what the University proposed.

Just out of curiosity, why would you feel comfortable sealing plans for structures far more complex than Bonfire - especially ones that would be built by grunt laborers with less education and less concerned with safety than any future Bonfire workers? Is it a simple matter of the structure being so unorthodox?
sam`00
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Unfortunately i still only have a cheesy certificate saying i don't know what i'm doing yet

I don't think it's really the structural design that would be the hard part. That's challenging mostly b/c of the material and variations in logs. I think it was clear that from past bonfires and the commission's report, it is possible to build the structure safely.

I think the construction and safety planning would be the challenge. The true appeal of bonfire was the actual labor and the teamwork needed to accomplish it. Of course the "horseplay" was fun too, but we saw the results of that. The best way to minimize risk would be to take the hand construction out. the best analogy I can come up with is that we don't dig trenches with shovels anymore and we keep people out of open trenches as much as possible. The danger is too high, so we use machinery. Stupidly, I never thought of the danger when I was working on or around stack. Now, it's hard to see past it. In hinsdsight, I still can't believe how i took everything on faith that the reds and browns knew what they were doing with the structure. That was my ultimate lesson from school and I think about it all the time.

I don't see how anyone could put students in a position to actually build bonfire without putting them at risk. Nobody was happy with the commission's ideas and Bowen's plan b/c bonfire would have been student organized but not student built.

The other major reason I couldn't is personal. My bonfire career began with one death and ended with twelve. I saw countless serious injuries as well. If that's the price for students to build it, i can't say it was worth that.

FYI, in today's construction safety is an absolute key, so i don't think you can that a laborer is less concerned with safety than any future bonfire worker.
Keegan99
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I don't see how anyone could put students in a position to actually build bonfire without putting them at risk.


Hypothetically, suppose a plan could be devised under which no student would ever be closer than 15 feet from stack after centerpole was raised, but no heavy equipment would be required. Would that be acceptable?

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If that's the price for students to build it, i can't say it was worth that.


If properly restructured, I don't think that price is necessary.


BTW, I know people like to attribute the death in '96 to Bonfire, but I think that's about as accurate as attributing the death of the student coming back from the Baylor game a few years ago to Aggie Football.
commando2004
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my aren't we all big optimists here. (note sarcasim)


Come on, Joey, be realistic.
TexasRebel
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I still can't believe how i took everything on faith that the reds and browns knew what they were doing with the structure


Hopefully it doesn't take a tragedy to remind leadership where their minds are supposed to be ever again...

It is however, a whole lot easier to have faith that the Reds/Browns have every random's saftey in mind, than it is to believe that some guy you don't know isn't going to cross the yellow line doing 80 miles an hour on 6 between here and Navasota for no apparent reason...
Armadillo Jackal
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It’s always great to go back to these posts and see how nearly every reason pessimists said Bonfire wouldn't burn has been addressed and overcome.
Waltonloads08
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LOAD '06
commando2004
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a unified, public, 100% student ran Bonfire that is off campus for a 12 years or more.


Who would have imagined it?
TexasRebel
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Except the decision and move on.


I always did enjoy this sentence from pg 1.
Ambiguous
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This is a great thread to read now. I'm curious though, what are the "events on Northside and at the President's house" that are mentioned? Was there a protest back in '02?
commando2004
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@Ambiguous:

There was a protest at then-president Bowen's house the night after he announced the decision to cancel Bonfire 2002.

Aggies rally on Bowen’s lawn
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