I stand corrected then, it really is just an obsession.

Like I mentioned earlier, you can find a million and one reasons to discredit the things I say and find reasons why to overlook some things, and if that's your way, then so be it. Issues will be issues no matter the source, and if you choose not to like me or believe me because my opinion is contrary to your's, then so be it.

Ignorance is bliss.

Why does it never cease to amaze me, if square can pick a fight he will. And dude, right or wrong, you do it just to start crap. I've watched enough of it.....you say things to rile people up and start fights....


Like watching a kid poke a hornets nest....you shouldn't laugh but jeez...

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I guess based off my user name alone you assume that I am part of Bonfire's old guard. I assure you I am not, and I have stepped up to criticize ASB many times and I'll step up even faster to criticize the Bonfire of 'yore. I'll also step up to defend them when I think they're getting an unfair shake.

In my book, the devil's advocate is always welcome because at the end of the day he is NOT a detractor. If that's how you fancy yourself, then I suggest you revisit my first post for a measure of your perceived success.

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[]1, Should I go dig up a thread that contradicts this claim? Or do you want to just go ahead and shut up?

Ideas for maintaining and boosting involvement after the old Northside dorms are gone?

TR, yes, please dig up a thread where I air my dirty laundry about ASB and express my vendetta towards the organization. I would be very interested in seeing such a thread.

...laughing as you dig up threads about Joey coming over and punching a friend in the face...

If we ignore him, maybe he will just go away.

As for retaining enough support to continue to build Bonfire even as dorms continue to be torn down... well I'd think about listening to the opinion and ideas of someone who lead and recruited for OCA like YellowPot96.

Honestly I don't see any reason why Bonfire couldn't continue, as long as we have that hand full of properly motivated individuals who will go out there and recruit and do whatever it takes to pull numbers. Think of all SB has had to overcome already, think of the decades of change Bonfire has already survived. These, along with our current group of Red Ass Ags out at SB, are all encouraging signs for continuing Bonfire into the future.


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Well TR's going to ignore me because as long as he can continued to make unsubstantiated claims without backing them up, he can do that.

It's nothing new for your ilk to ignore those with criticism or hell, even rules, so am I surprised? Nope.

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you negated the need for me to do any searching at all when you posted this...

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Say, you dig up that thread yet, or ya been busy striking out up at the gate again champ?

Thread yet? No?

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Where do the majority of OC Hogs get their start out their involvement with bonfire?

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Are you saying most of the OCA guys were former on campus residents?

I love when people that were in junior high at the time tell us how things were when we were on campus. (Looking your way Randy03 )

If someone went out with their dorm and later moved off campus, there was virtually no chance of them going out with OCA. They still went out with their dorm.




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Because there is something about sleeping 2 feet from your roommate, sharing a bathroom with 60 other people, and being in cramped quarters with nothing but othe guys that builds that sort of commaraderie and brotherhood. Are you willing to argue that Underwood, Eppright, Neely, Hobby, Appelt, are as condusive to the necessary bonfire culture as dorms like Crocker, FHK, and Walton are?

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Your description makes it sound hilariously gay.

The one thing about my tenure at A&M I regret is that I didn't participate in Bonfire at least once. And I lived in Dunn my fish year, so it's not like I didn't have a chance. Bonfire fell my sophomore year, but by that time I had moved to Eppright. And I ****ing LOVED it there. In Dunn, I just felt lost- I mean, axe handles banging on my door at 0500 wasn't that cool with me. It wasn't until I moved to Eppright that I found a great group of people to bond with- and wouldn't you know it, we didn't need Bonfire to do that. We had our own little corner of campus that was pretty much ignored since we were as far away from Northside as you could get, but we didn't give a ****. And it was living in Eppright that allowed me to finallly find my niche at A&M, doing something that I enjoyed far more than I would have ever enjoyed doing Bonfire- working as an on-campus EMT.

So, if the whole point of Bonfire was to build lifelong friendships and campus involvement, I got all of that and never sat foot on cut site once. But I enjoyed watching it burn

Oh, and our shirts at Eppright from the last year of cut ('99) had a 2% carton of milk with the phrase "We Watch It Burn".

"Ya gotta love livin', baby, 'cause dyin's a PAIN IN THE ASS!" -Frank Sinatra

homosocial =/= homosexual.

If you don't think the all male nature of this University and Bonfire contribute to what makes it what it is, then you should look a little deeper into things.

Yeah, I'm fully aware of what makes A&M unique- I went there too. And the few years after Bonfire fell showed a campus without an identity. But instead of focusing the energy in a different direction towards something of real benefit to the community, the student body falls back on Bonfire, albeit now off-campus. It's nice to see some "unity" back on campus, but I was a bit disappointed that there was this mentality that "if it isn't Bonfire, the student body can't be united".

Really? You feel like the entire student body "falls back on bonfire"? How can you justify that? If that were so, how come the same number of people aren't supporting bonfire through their participation or attendance as they once were? Out of curiosity, when did you graduate/attend?

You don't think there's things binding this university together now making it just as strong and great as ever? That Bonfire is all this university is and all it can relate to?

There's more to A&M than Bonfire. There always was, and there always will be. Even though a great thing died that morning doesn't mean the university was forever setback.

It disappoints me to hear things like our identity is Bonfire and it will always be that. I rarely hear that, and there's a reason why such sentiments are so rare. I sure hope not.

Obviously, you missed out never having been a student while Bonfire existed at A&M. Very sad for you. I agree with you that it's not the only thing that defines us, but it was the most special thing the students had in the Fall.

I really do wish you could have experienced it the way I did.

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If that were so, how come the same number of people aren't supporting bonfire through their participation or attendance as they once were?

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Well, then again, maybe you would've been one of the people who didn't get it anyway. With the passage of time comes apathy. That's the biggest travesty of all.

I wish I could have too, believe me. I believe all the hype there is to be heard about it. However, I also believe that this university is about more than one tradition, and it's great for countless reasons...and it doesn't rely on one alone to make it great.

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Really? You feel like the entire student body "falls back on bonfire"? How can you justify that? snipped for brevity edit

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You have missed the point of my post. If you read my first post, you'd see that I personally am not only aware of the OTHER things on campus that make A&M stand out, but also participated in them. The entire point I was trying to make was that Bonfire wasn't the only thing for people to get involved with on campus.

I was at A&M from 98-02, so I was a part of a very few number of classes to watch Bonfire go from a campus-wide tradition every Fall, to the tragedy itself, to seeing the aftermath of it all unfold. And YES, after it fell, for a couple years this was a campus during the Fall that felt so bizarre- it basically lacked an identity. Of course I know that the numbers involved aren't as many as had participated in the past, but that's simply because it's not on campus anymore.

What disappointed me was that instead of letting the thing go, some people couldn't let it die- the fact that it resurrected off-campus showed that YES, many students and former students fell back into what they had done in the past. That's fine- they do what they want to. But I had wished more effort was put into other things that were still around on campus, but weren't as popular as Bonfire was (like anything could be).



"Ya gotta love livin', baby, 'cause dyin's a PAIN IN THE ASS!" -Frank Sinatra

I don't understand why someone who doesn't think Bonfire was all that significant would come on the Bonfire board and stir up those of us who felt it was so special. Especially someone who never got to attend one or build one.

It's even more unbelievable that I, along with many of you, fell into the trap.

This board is for prayers, support and memories...not for discounting something most all of us treasured with all of our hearts.

I'm certain there will be a snappy reply, but you get the ignore function from me. I've had enough.

Sorry, but your agenda belongs in a different forum

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Wow. That's all I can really say to that one.

Please show me where I said Bonfire wasn't special and please show me where I show any disrespect to Bonfire or the tragedy. Please.

Your opinion that only those who have ever built or attended Bonfire can have an opinion regarding Bonfire is also insulting...even to those you are trying to side with.

And Mike, since you've had enough after your all of two posts, why don't you tell me why all other posts don't belong here as well? Hell this entire thread doesn't have anything to do with "prayers, support, or memories," so why don't you rail the others who post anything but as well?

You know, to all of you who I've had arguments/discussions/spars with on here, that's one thing. It's one thing to be receptive and go back and forth. But to come on and say "you've had enough" after you've never posted anything, and then make up something about how anything but what you think should be on the board should be ignored, well...that's great.

I encourage and urge you to be receptive to criticism, especially about things that you are passionate about instead of realizing you disagree with an opinion and running away from the discussion altogether. I'm not asking you to agree with me, but your attitude certainly shows how shut off some are to dissenting viewpoints, and that's unfortunate.

While we're here, why don't you help me to figure out what my agenda is? Since you've been so active in discussions (3 maybe 4 posts ever), maybe you could help clarify that for myself and everybody else. Give me a break.

TR, Pred, Kip, Opie, etc... Thank you for not being this guy.

Why don't you just give us all a synopsis of why you're here?

Seems to me you're a know-nothing young guy who is simply trying to stir people up here with your "dissenting." That's pathetic. You have no business in Bonfire discussions if you've never experienced it.

Excuse me while I make a phone call to Coach Fran to ask his theories on the West Coast Offense and downfield passing game.

And don't assume I haven't posted here before. I have another username that is not able to post for another 100 hours due to an unfortunate joke post in the M&W Forum. I've been here a helluva lot longer than you.

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Nice job trying to gain some e-friends out of people who obviously don't think much of your "insight" into something you know nothing about.

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Like I mentioned earlier, you can find a million and one reasons to discredit the things I say and find reasons why to overlook some things, and if that's your way, then so be it. Issues will be issues no matter the source, and if you choose not to like me or believe me because my opinion is contrary to your's, then so be it.

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This is my favorite line of yours from this whole forum.

Someone who never experienced something giving an "expertise" on it to folks who built it multiple times. Ignorance is truly bliss.

Had you been as well read in these matters as you say you are, you'd realize my experience with the current ASB is a lot more than nil. Two years of involvement and countless little birds have given me a great deal of knowledge of what goes on. I don't profess to be an expert by any means, but to say I have no business opining on the matter because I'm a "know-nothing" is simply false, sorry.

And trying to gain "e-friends", from those guys? Ha, you REALLY haven't been reading this much have you?

You left out the part in your response about why none of my posts not about "prayers, support, and memories" should go, but every other conversation on this board can stay.

We can talk about the topic at hand, or you could continue to tell me why i can't have an opinion on Bonfire or ASB, take your pick. In staying with the content of this thread though and in trying to get the conversation back on topic, I ask you this. How important do you think Bonfire is considered by the administration to the University's present identity and future? For any president who steps in at A&M, how important is his/her stance and actions regarding Bonfire to their legacy?

Let's discuss, seriously. You telling me why I don't belong here and me telling you that I can have an opinion if I want to (what a great thing!) isn't going ANYWHERE...just ask my e-friends. Where others disagree with my opinion, you disagree with my right to have an opinion.

I don't disagree with your right to have an opinion. I do discount your opinion since you admittedly have never experienced the subject matter. I also question why someone would be so adamant to come onto the Bonfire Board and cause as much trouble as you are causing.

Every now and again, a young guy comes on here and tells us all we were just a flaming group of homosexuals, that we're all brainwashed, that we're in a cult and that this university doesn't need one of its most time-honored traditions. These young guys are called tsips.

I see you chose not to have a discussion about Bonfire. Ok, funny, but ok. You can still offer your opinion to my question if you'd like, though I doubt you will.

Since you discount my opinion on the matter of Bonfire and ASB since I never built or saw Bonfire as it existed pre-99, and only participated in it for 2 years and saw it burn for 3, do you also discount the thought and opinions of those who are dedicated to the current project, but who have never seen your Bonfire?

Careful now...While I have criticism of ASB, I also have hopes for it, high hopes. And I take my hat off to those busting their asses with the genuine hope of restoring something great. Whether it's gonna fly or not...they're building it. And you're coming on here and discounting their opinions and efforts because they didn't experience what you experienced. Get off your high horse and quit making yourself look like a closed minded jerk.

And what did the last part of your post have to do with anything, seriously?

One thing you seem to be very good at is putting words in people's mouths and changing your story.

I too commend the guys busting their asses to try to make this work. You said before that you didn't think Bonfire defined us and that it was just one of many traditions, no?

Now, all of a sudden, you're Mr. Bonfire?

Is it important to you or not?

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you're coming on here and discounting their opinions and efforts because they didn't experience what you experienced. Get off your high horse and quit making yourself look like a closed minded jerk

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You may seriously be the stupidest human being I've ever seen on this board. A lot of these guys DID experience Bonfire. I love the fact that they're trying to preserve it. I'm calling out your ass, not theirs. I'm sure that office chair you post from is pretty cozy. Ever had a blister on your hand from an axe handle?

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Disregard my previous posts. You're the expert here. Little birdies talk to you.

Is this a joke?

I can think Bonfire doesn't define Texas A&M alone and still commend some gutsy hard work, no? C'mon now.

I wouldn't say it's "important" to me. Important is providing for my family, making a living, being successful, doing right. I'm hopeful that ASB does well, but is it "important" to me? No. Does that mean I don't care? No, I do care.

Stupidest ever? You're really piling on top of your quickly earned reputation. A lot of these guys didn't experience Bonfire, and with every passing year there will be a great percentage of those who didn't experience Bonfire. Don't alienate those with your closed-minded elitist ignorance.

Now, would you like to answer the questions about Bonfire, or no? I don't expect you to, but I'm hopeful.

I honestly don't care about your questions. What does this President think about Bonfire? How will it define her legacy? Who cares about her damned legacy? I obviously would hope she supports Bonfire, but I doubt she does.

You act as if I was trying to avoid answering your dumbass questions. Your little laughing emoticon shows your true intentions on this board.

Remember when you're discounting the tradition and making your snide remarks that some of us not only built Bonfire but also lost friends on it when it fell. Remember that this is an anonymous internet message board, so you don't really know whom you're addressing in this rude manner.

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For something that's not important to you, you sure seem to start a lot of sheet on this board by the way.

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I'm done talking to you, you show no interest in having any conversation, but rather to make anonymous attacks towards somebody you don't know or don't know anything about. I'll leave that to you, but you seem like the kind of individual who won't have any conversation, so I'll leave it at that.