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Whats so great about The Ramones?

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Buck Turgidson
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The Ramones seem to get alot of adoration, especially by self annointed rock experts. What's so great about them?

Great lyrics? Great vocals? Great musicianship? Phenominal live shows?

I thought they were pretty ****ing pedestrian in the "Rock & Roll High School" days.
Trucker 96
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cancer didn't seem to think much of them.
drivinwest
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I dunno...maybe because they were considered the first American punk band? I've never really been a big fan either.
Rec
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because they were relentless

talent doesn't go too far in the mainstream anyway... but they just never gave up
Oveta
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buck appears to feel strongly about this
drivinwest
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He's just upset because they ranked ahead of Ted Nugent on VH1's top 100 hard rock bands of all time.
KingdomPhylum
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Because they were an alternative to disco, at the time.
CoolaidWade
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Go see the documentry "End of the Century"... It's amazing... They toured non-stop and never tried to stop which is inspiring.

Plus it was creepy to watch thier live shows in the late 70's/80's. If you close your eyes they could be any punk band playing dive bars today anywhere..... That sound is timeless.

Plus the Ol' Sarge t-shirt makes an appearance in the video.
Redstone
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In no small part they are loved because they were very, very influential for bands in the 80s and 90s.
SPO_Rat_91
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Rocket to Russia along with their debut are better examples of their music than the Rock N Roll High School stuff.
Aggie Spirit
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By cutting rock & roll down to its bare essentials — four chords; a simple, catchy melody; and irresistibly inane lyrics — and speeding up the tempo considerably, the Ramones created something that was rooted in early '60s, pre-Beatles rock & roll and pop but sounded revolutionary.


Translation: Faux-retrocrapitazation by one of the most overrated bands of all time.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:rijxlfge5cqw~T1
burf8568
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The reason is in how they inspired bands that came after them (ie: The Pixies) and how they influenced later bands (ie: Nirvana), this can be said about many bands though so who knows
Whos Juan
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My favorite song of theirs actually came during their "sell out" period in the 80's, Bonzo Goes to Bitburg is a great song that should get checked out.

I personally like the Ramones because they're the perfect example of greatness in simplicity. Their songs rarely featured more than 4 chords (Bonzo actually has a key change, which was huge for them ;-)), but they were catchy and perfect for what people who were sick of disco wanted to listen to. They were fun, singing about cretins, sniffing glue, lobotomies, and any other random things that would come to mind, and they never tried being anything that they weren't. I suggest picking up Ramones Mania (if you can still find it) and popping it in while doing some household chores. You'll find yourself bobbing your head to several of the 30 tracks on that disc.
Buck Turgidson
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drivinwest: Actually, that DID piss me off!

Anyhow, I'd say AC/DC is a much better model of "greatness in simplicity". I think the real answer is the previously cited argument that anything's better than Disco.
Aggie Spirit
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Because they were an alternative to disco, at the time.


The were really the alternative to arena rock and the some of the lush productions by highly talented performers that came along with it at the time. They were famous for taking rock back to the garage band level.
Big 12-0
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The Ramones are one of the greatest bands of all time.

They stripped all of the artifice and brought rock and roll back to its basics: 3 chords, repetitive lyrics, passion, anger, etc.

The Ramones = minimalism
jkag89
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The Ramones are one of the greatest bands of all time.

They stripped all of the artifice and brought rock and roll back to its basics: 3 chords, repetitive lyrics, passion, anger, etc.

The Ramones = minimalism

Exactly. Plus they were fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bacon
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early punk was a reaction by several artists that felt rock had become too bloated and pompous, which it certainly did in the 70s. Punk groups reacted by stripping down rock to something simple, yet upbeat and fun. The Ramones were probably the first prominent American group to do that, and managed to have an impressive longevity.

Punk later became more political, mostly from the likes of the Sex Pistols and the Clash.

But the Ramones represented the pure essence, or core, of rock and roll.
Buck Turgidson
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I'm sorry, but the Ramones were just boring. They were average musicians, had a poor vocalist, and looked like trauma victims (unintentionally so). How was that better than, say, Deep Purple, Aerosmith, Bad Company or any other big rock band of the early to mid 1970's?

I guess it's just a matter of taste. I've never preferred garage bands. I always wanted a big disturbing spectacle to go along with my rock concerts.

[This message has been edited by Buck Turgidson (edited 5/12/2005 1:56p).]
danw95
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Buck, I see your point, but that's exactly why the Ramones matter. They loved bubblegum 60s pop, when rock was dumb and fun, like early Stones records. Early to mid 70s what was passing as rock was overblown spectacles, virtuoso solos, 30 minute epics, lyrics about Gandalf, or glam with it's focus on image and style over substance.

So the Ramones say, we just wanna have fun. Let's play rock the way you should, loud fast, and easy to remember so you can sing along after the first time you heard it. And to this day, it inspires people who will never be able to play Eruption to play a guitar, learn your three chords, that you didn't have to look great or have armadilloes in your trousers. Just put on your crappy jeans and t shirts, and get on with your ugly self. So they go over to the UK and on their first tour, members of Sex Pistols and The Clash, who hadn't even played live at that point, talked to them. My memory's fuzzy, but I think Joe Strummer told Dee Dee the Clash was gonna pack it in because they were no good. Dee Dee tells them "Who cares, we suck too, just do it cause it's fun!"

So do you like the music? No? Cool. But they did matter and they were important, and to my ears, wrote some really great songs. Sheena Is A Punk Rocker, I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend are as great as any 60s pop song.
tick
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Plus the Ol' Sarge t-shirt makes an appearance in the video.


And on the cover of the Rocket to Russia album. They werer fun.

No deep thought can justify there placement as a great rock band, but their songs were influential, fun and their live shows were a blast. They did a really high energy live show at MC2 (old B/CS nightclub) back in the late 80s and stopped by our house the evening before. Dumb, stoned guys who spent most of their College Station time eating pizza at the Adult Video. They were what they were, which was a lot of fun if you took them at face value.
RightWingConspirator
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Let me chime in with a plug for The Clash. In my opinion, The Clash was the greatest punk band of all time. For those of you who think of "Should I stay or should I go" or "Rock the casbah" when you think of The Clash, please don't. Check out tunes like "White man in hammersmith palais" (my favorite), or anything from "The Clash", "London Calling", "Give 'em enough rope", or "Story of the Clash." [/end plug]

TAF
Whos Juan
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The Clash were greatness, but I'm sometimes conflicted with calling them punk. That's just my opinion though.
An Ag in CO
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The Ramones were a great band and their 70's output was among the best in their particular genre. They managed to keep going when most of their peers fell apart. From the mid-70's NYC scene you can compare The Ramones to Television, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, The Heartbreakers (Johnny Thunders version) and it's really only Television that can match them in terms of influence.

And The Ramones probably had a much bigger influence in Europe than they did here. The only album they released that sold more than 500,000 in the US was the greatest hits in 1988.

And Ted Nugent sucks. Just have to mention that. I personally would take Television, the Heartbreakers, or Richard Hell over the Ramones and would take all four over any of the utter crap Buck mentions on this thread.

[This message has been edited by An Ag in CO (edited 5/12/2005 10:43p).]
The Beer Snob
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I always wanted a big disturbing spectacle to go along with my rock concerts.
Well, many of us are exactly the opposite. You're right; it's just a matter of preference.
Buck Turgidson
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An Ag in CO: If you added the best Ramones songs together, they'd PALE in comparison to WANG DANG SWEET POONTANG!
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