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DayDuck91
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Saw the DVD this weekend. Great flick. I love these two exchanges between Max and Vincent in particular.

quote:
Max: Hey.
[stuttering]
Max: He, he, he fell on the cab. He fell, he fell from up there on the mother******* cab. Sh*t. I think he's dead.
Vincent: Good guess.
Max: You killed him?
Vincent: No, I shot him. Bullets and the fall killed him.



quote:
Max: I can't drive you around while you're killing folks. It ain't my job!
Vincent: Tonight it is.
Redstone
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I watched it again last night as well.

Michael Mann is my favorite director - and Ali is an underrated film. The Insider too.
DayDuck91
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Actually, he is a producer. He produced "Last of the Mohicans" as well. Another great flick.
BMX Bandit
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Actually, he is both.
jwag
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I didn't think Collateral was that great at all IMO. Had a 'Heat' feel to it but I thought it was average at best.
MY Quaid
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I agree, jwag. I thought visually it was well done - cool scenery, night in LA, etc, but I found the movie itself a little dissappointing. The ending didn't work at all for me. I liked the first hour and a half, though.
Redstone
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Mostly a director since Manhunter got critical acclaim, with a lot of producing.

His visuals are very, very good. In Collateral, if you listen to the commentary, he points out a lot of scenes that wouldn't have been possible without the very latest camera equipment, which he was (among, if not the) first to use.
aTmAg
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Like what scene? I didn't notice anything special.
Redstone
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Almost every night scene where buildings and background were prominent.

With normal cameras, they would have to be lighted - a nearly impossible task. The office chase scene is a good example - his hi-def digital cameras picked up things the cast and crew couldn't even see.
FAST FRED
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I posted this after I saw "Collateral" in a theater awhile back:

Danger, danger, danger. Spoilers ahead.































Other than being perhaps a tiny bit too long, I found this movie very engaging.

If there’d been a narrator like Sgt. Joe Friday, it could have started just like an old TV “Dragnet.”

“This is the city.....Los Angeles, California. It’s always crowded here and busy by day, but, after darkness falls and folks reach their destinations and slip into a groove, the whole city relaxes. I work here, I’m a.......”

Taxi driver Max (Jamie Foxx) was totally within his comfort zone until hit man Vincent (Tom Cruise) flies into town for a quick night of bloody business and, needing ground transportation, hails his cab.

I’ve never been a big Tom Cruise fan, but he was very good.

I don’t believe, all things considered, I’ve ever seen him better or in a better role or in a better movie

Jamie Foxx (who’s from Terrell, Texas) was also very good.

I sure hope he had a good script to work with when he portrayed Ray Charles.

If he did, that should be a pretty cool movie.

I thought “Collateral” was, at selected times, as good as “Pulp Fiction” and it never, IMHO, dipped below the level of, say, “Die Hard.”

It’s an action movie with a little more character development and story than the average film in that genre offers, so maybe that’s why it seemed a little lengthy.

If so, the time taken was worth it.

I enjoyed it, especially for the five buck, senior citizen admission charge that I paid.

And I thought, now making a summary of sorts, how the City of Los Angeles and this movie each came off rather beautifully and well, because Foxx’s capable cab driving and Michael Mann’s efficient film direction both pointedly avoided any traffic jams and/or screenplay gridlocks, thus allowing the forceful character nailed by Tom to cinematically cruise the City of the Angels.

I do nitpickingly speculate that a climax involving the taxi might have been more satisfying than the undeniably serviceable ending we were given, which (by involving another type of public transportation) changed the intimate perspective of this flic.

Just my thought, it’s no biggie.

I’ll venture that moviegoers, in general, and fans of Cruise, Foxx and/or Mann, in particular, will happily pay full fare and enjoy this ride.




I thought that "Collateral" accounted for or explained all the turning points in it's story pretty well.


Anybody remember "Hombre" with Paul Newman and Richard Boone?

I thought "Collateral" had similar plot dynamics and character complexities to that fine 1967 Western movie.

And when "Hombre" came out, I recall thinking about comparisons between it and "Stagecoach," a 1939 John Wayne flic that has been remade at least once.

New plot devices and completely unique characters rarely appear in movies, just as real life seems to reprise itself over and again, if you pay attention for long enough.

The names, places and exact situations change around, but not always so much that you don't find some sameness in either the human experience or the films about it.

And I'll submit, that it's those differences, be they major or minor, occurring in the setup, playout and outcome that make life so interesting and, for me, some movies better than others.



IMHO, "Collateral" easily brought enough newness and excellence to the viewing screen to be worthy of high recommendation.





I wondered why this movie was named "Collateral" enough to look up that word in a dictionary.

The number one definition is "accompanying as secondary or subordinate" which is how Jamie Foxx's cabbie began his relationship with Cruise's hitman.

Or it could further be a reference about how Cruise and Foxx built up collateral interests and dependencies between one another as their relationship progressed.

Anyway, it's an interesting title.



The best movie I've seen recently is "Criminal," a rental with John C. Reilly, Diego Luna and Maggie Gyllenhaal.

I thought it was very good.

It's the remake of "Nine Queens," an interesting movie from Argentina.

Anyone seen "Criminal?"


Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.

[This message has been edited by FAST FRED (edited 5/2/2005 1:01p).]
aTmAg
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quote:
With normal cameras, they would have to be lighted - a nearly impossible task. The office chase scene is a good example - his hi-def digital cameras picked up things the cast and crew couldn't even see.
I've seen plenty of movies filmed at night and this one didn't seem special in that aspect. Perhaps it has to be seen it at the theater.
DayDuck91
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My bad, he directed this as well as produced it. Under his profile on imdb, they had him only as a producer. However, when you pulled up the movie on imdb, they had him as the director.
DayDuck91
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Hombre was greatness. It was another movie that some could criticize as moving a tad bit slow, but the character development was awesome. Just like in Collateral, I loved how the movie made you feel like you were actually in Newman's/Foxx's shoes. In Hombre you just just feel the heat and sand of the desert, as well as the contempt for the people making him ride on the outside of the stagecoach. The camera work in Collateral was excellent. You definately felt like you were right there with Foxx on a night shift with a psycho hit-man.

If I had to make one criticism of Collateral, it would be that there were almost too many funny lines for a hit man. However, Cruise pulled it off for the most part. A more disconnected character like the one Bruce Willis played in the Jackal would have been more believable. Still a good movie all-in-all though.
aTmAg
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BTW, usually hit men are complete thuggish morons. People who are smart don't usually go into the hit-man business. Perhaps that's one thing that annoys me about hit-man movies in general.

[This message has been edited by aTmAg (edited 5/2/2005 3:02p).]
BigAg95
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Have you known a lot of hit-men?
aTmAg
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I've read and watched quite a bit about them.
Redstone
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This was the first movie where buildings in the distance, and much of the night background, did not have to be tampered with either on set with lights or in a computer.

Point and shoot, which is why Mann insisted the studio(s) shell out the cash for the latest technology. It worked pretty spectacularly imo.
Old Style
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I finally saw this movie today. I really liked it until the end. Tom Cruise was able to do a little too much, especially after being shot in the head. At times I thought I was watching Robert Patrick in Terminator 2.
mhayden_original
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Eh.... Michael Mann and Brad Anderson are still two directors that I will buy a ticket before hearing any review.
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