CharleyKerfeld said:

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You know that is not a hard decision here

CharleyKerfeld said:

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It works both ways

fig96 said:

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That's...not good.

And since you seem to have missed it, what people are saying is "quit getting stupidly upset about things before you actually know what's in them".

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It's ok to read interviews, watch previews, and draw informed conclusions to post on this thread. Stop policing opinions you don't like.

fig96 said:

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AGC said:

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fig96 said:

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That's...not good.

And since you seem to have missed it, what people are saying is "quit getting stupidly upset about things before you actually know what's in them".

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It's ok to read interviews, watch previews, and draw informed conclusions to post on this thread. Stop policing opinions you don't like.

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I'm not policing anything, folks are welcome to post whatever thoughts they like. And others of us are welcome to say it's dumb for passing judgement on things they haven't seen.

I've also yet to actually see someone produce a quote from her that indicates she's going to do something negative with this film, quite the opposite actually. Seems like a lot of projection.

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Your position is absurd. A woman for Aslan's voice is case in point. A lot of this is explicitly allegorical. It's a change to fit her own belief system, which many who love the books would regard as negative. You act as if you personally not regarding it as negative means you can be dismissive of others can call them dumb.

She was raised Unitarian (if I recall correctly) and has all sorts of beliefs the allegory refutes and Lewis would reject. She's claimed to have read the books that influenced him (sure she did, I'm sure she waded through The Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius in addition to Macdonald). What you don't get is that the book's name isn't an empty vessel you can put your own story into. It comes from another mind with its own ideas. When you tell a different story we're literally playing out The Last Battle with an ass wearing the lion skin pretending to be Aslan (just a tad bit ironic I suppose for this movie, given how the other animals defended the ass instead of recognizing it as false).

Edit: blew my spelling was on Boethius and Macdonald. Touche!

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Just wait until the movie comes out before you start *****ing and moaning. That's all anyone is asking. For instance, just because a woman is voicing Aslan doesn't mean Aslan won't sound male. You have no idea what Gerwig has planned in that regard and so many others. Yet you guys act as if you do, and then ***** endlessly about your assumptions, as if they've been confirmed as fact. Just… chill.

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No opinions allowed unless they're posted from Twitter I suppose?

Is Azlan a ghetto lion from the hood?

CharleyKerfeld said:

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Is Azlan a ghetto lion from the hood?

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I did find it hilarious that he's pulling deep cuts from The Last Battle, with the ass dressed as a lion, all while mispelling Aslan's name, rofl!

AGC said:

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fig96 said:

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AGC said:

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fig96 said:

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That's...not good.

And since you seem to have missed it, what people are saying is "quit getting stupidly upset about things before you actually know what's in them".

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It's ok to read interviews, watch previews, and draw informed conclusions to post on this thread. Stop policing opinions you don't like.

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I'm not policing anything, folks are welcome to post whatever thoughts they like. And others of us are welcome to say it's dumb for passing judgement on things they haven't seen.

I've also yet to actually see someone produce a quote from her that indicates she's going to do something negative with this film, quite the opposite actually. Seems like a lot of projection.

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Your position is absurd. A woman for Aslan's voice is case in point. A lot of this is explicitly allegorical. It's a change to fit her own belief system, which many who love the books would regard as negative. You act as if you personally not regarding it as negative means you can be dismissive of others can call them dumb.

She was raised Unitarian (if I recall correctly) and has all sorts of beliefs the allegory refutes and Lewis would reject. She's claimed to have read the books that influenced him (sure she did, I'm sure she waded through The Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius in addition to Macdonald). What you don't get is that the book's name isn't an empty vessel you can put your own story into. It comes from another mind with its own ideas. When you tell a different story we're literally playing out The Last Battle with an monkey wearing the lion skin pretending to be Aslan (just a tad bit ironic I suppose for this movie, given how the other animals defended the monkey instead of recognizing it as false).

Edit: blew my spelling was on Boethius and Macdonald. Touche!

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"What I don't get" as someone who grew up reading the books, thanks for explaining that to me. It's wild how condescending some of y'all are while you act like you're the one being offended.

I understand that people may expect different things from this than what she'll deliver, that's what happens when art is interpreted. But I'm willing to wait to judge things that might sound odd, like Streep's voice, until I see how it's being handled.

We don't yet know what story she's going to tell or how it might diverge, but despite the fact that she's said a lot of things that appear she's trying to do right by the story some of you want to assign questionable intent to her because of whatever reason. And that's fine, knock yourself out. I will continue to say I think it's dumb to judge it before we've seen it.

Choosing to make up your mind as if you've seen the finished product is different than having an actual opinion about a finished product.

fig96 said:

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AGC said:

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fig96 said:

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AGC said:

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fig96 said:

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That's...not good.

And since you seem to have missed it, what people are saying is "quit getting stupidly upset about things before you actually know what's in them".

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It's ok to read interviews, watch previews, and draw informed conclusions to post on this thread. Stop policing opinions you don't like.

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I'm not policing anything, folks are welcome to post whatever thoughts they like. And others of us are welcome to say it's dumb for passing judgement on things they haven't seen.

I've also yet to actually see someone produce a quote from her that indicates she's going to do something negative with this film, quite the opposite actually. Seems like a lot of projection.

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Your position is absurd. A woman for Aslan's voice is case in point. A lot of this is explicitly allegorical. It's a change to fit her own belief system, which many who love the books would regard as negative. You act as if you personally not regarding it as negative means you can be dismissive of others can call them dumb.

She was raised Unitarian (if I recall correctly) and has all sorts of beliefs the allegory refutes and Lewis would reject. She's claimed to have read the books that influenced him (sure she did, I'm sure she waded through The Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius in addition to Macdonald). What you don't get is that the book's name isn't an empty vessel you can put your own story into. It comes from another mind with its own ideas. When you tell a different story we're literally playing out The Last Battle with an monkey wearing the lion skin pretending to be Aslan (just a tad bit ironic I suppose for this movie, given how the other animals defended the monkey instead of recognizing it as false).

Edit: blew my spelling was on Boethius and Macdonald. Touche!

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"What I don't get" as someone who grew up reading the books, thanks for explaining that to me. It's wild how condescending some of y'all are while you act like you're the one being offended.

I understand that people may expect different things from this than what she'll deliver, that's what happens when art is interpreted. But I'm willing to wait to judge things that might sound odd, like Streep's voice, until I see how it's being handled.

We don't yet know what story she's going to tell or how it might diverge, but despite the fact that she's said a lot of things that appear she's trying to do right by the story some of you want to assign questionable intent to her because of whatever reason. And that's fine, knock yourself out. I will continue to say I think it's dumb to judge it before we've seen it.

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You're offended? You really reserve the right to call someone's thoughts dumb and don't think you're condescending? Maybe come down off your high tops some if you don't like it.

Not all 'art' is meant to be interpreted by others in whatever way they want. Imagine doing pilgrims progress like this.

"We don't yet know what story she's going to tell"

Well, since she's using the name and characters, I would hope it's the one actually in the book...I don't know why we think it's ok to "tell a story" when there already is one...

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TCTTS said:

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Just wait until the movie comes out before you start *****ing and moaning. That's all anyone is asking. For instance, just because a woman is voicing Aslan doesn't mean Aslan won't sound male. You have no idea what Gerwig has planned in that regard and so many others. Yet you guys act as if you do, and then ***** endlessly about your assumptions, as if they've been confirmed as fact. Just… chill.

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No opinions allowed unless they're posted from Twitter I suppose?

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How dare you question lord TC in anything entertainment!

I guess I will hesitantly enter the conversation as I still think arguing on the internet is like racing in the special Olympics.

As much I enjoy the entertainment these threads and the back and forth give me, I do agree with TC on this. And as a background, I am extremely conservative and refuse to pay to watch any movie that has any overt progressive, anti Christian messages.

On the other hand, I can't stand sensationalized media and it comes from both sides of the spectrum. They hyperbolize any bit of news just for clicks. The left, the right…. Anything for the views and the money.

So, when it comes to social media or any news for that matter, I like to "wait and see" before I light up my torch and sharpen the pitchfork. Life's too short to get worked up all of the time and sometimes over fabricated nonsense. So, it seems reasonable to me to wait until the actual movie comes out to avoid any odyssey egg on your face (besides the stupid scene with Ellen Kitty Pride).

What TC is suggesting is reasonable. Yes discuss rumors and concerns, but before burning the movie to the ground, wait until it finally comes out before declaring it a progressive abomination.

With all of that, having a female voice Asian who is the Christ-like character in CS Lewis's chronic (what? Cles Of Narnia) and directed by a feminist progressive definitely has my "avoid this movie" radar pinging.

japantiger said:

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"We don't yet know what story she's going to tell"

Well, since she's using the name and characters, I would hope it's the one actually in the book...I don't know why we think it's ok to "tell a story" when there already is one...

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Told a different story than the books, turned out to be decent films.

The statement - we don't know what they'll actually do with her voice as Aslan - is curious. You have cast a very well known Oscar winner (I think she's won) to be the voice of a literary character known to be male from the 7 books he appears in. Then you're going to do some audio effects on her voice to ... do what? Obviously we don't know yet, but if it's to give it more of a masculine tone, then why not just cast a dude to do the voice? It's not like there are not plenty of male actors who could provide the voice (I mean, Liam Neeson is still alive). This is what sets off my politically motivated, anti-Christian radar.

My guess would be she wants a voice that can sound like both, thus elevating it beyond male or female. Meryl Streep has a fairly deep voice for a woman.

I also feel like this is being massively overblown, as usual. because Aslan isn't exactly hosting a talk show in the book, he doesn't show up until the last third of it. If I remember correctly, he also sings when he creates Narnia.

CharleyKerfeld said:

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japantiger said:

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"We don't yet know what story she's going to tell"

Well, since she's using the name and characters, I would hope it's the one actually in the book...I don't know why we think it's ok to "tell a story" when there already is one...

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Told a different story than the books, turned out to be decent films.

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Only one of those was a book (novella, short story) of any real substance (Conrad). I am concerned with the redefining of the classics by rabid leftists.

No different than what they did to the Odyssey. Same name, characters; not the same story or character arcs by any stretch of the imagination. If you have a "new" story to tell, then tell a new story. Don't steal someone else's work in your goal of trying to sell some leftist bull**** wet dream to undermine classic western lit. At least AN didn't site HOD and told a completely different story. They didn't name it HOD and then sell something else.

And, mine and your opinion, of Apocalypse Now are likely radically different. It was one good scene in what was otherwise trash.

CharleyKerfeld said:

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My guess would be she wants a voice that can sound like both, thus elevating it beyond male or female. Meryl Streep has a fairly deep voice for a woman.

I also feel like this is being massively overblown, as usual. because Aslan isn't exactly hosting a talk show in the book, he doesn't show up until the last third of it. If I remember correctly, he also sings when he creates Narnia.

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"In the darkness something was happening at last. A voice had begun to sing. It was very far away… Sometimes it seemed to come from all directions at once. Sometimes he almost thought it was coming out of the earth beneath them. Its lower notes were deep enough to be the voice of the earth herself. There were no words. There was hardly even a tune. But it was, beyond comparison, the most beautiful noise he had ever heard. It was so beautiful he could hardly bear it."