Michael Jackson - just the facts.. did he do it? - Page 4

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In reply to David_Puddy • 7:03p, 6/22/26

David_Puddy said:
The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

Conspiracy theories are mainly truth these days.

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In reply to GolfAg93 • 7:29p, 6/22/26

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What's the actual evidence of his sleeping in the same bed, or the kids drawing an accurate portrayal of his pen15, or the bedside stash of pics with bodily fluids on them?
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The big interview with Martin Bashir, he admits himself that he sleeps with random boys. Super creepy interview.

The kid from 1993 drew the dick, but then got like 23mil hush money

The kid prn was evidence in the trials

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In reply to PDEMDHC • 8:12p, 6/22/26

PDEMDHC said:
Not to go off topic a little, but the OJ documentary that ESPN did was nothing short of outstanding. If the LAPD wasn't who they were in the 80s and 90s, OJ would have been found guilty and no one would have had a problem with it.

OJ: Made in America

I highly recommend watching that series in full. No doubt he was guilty but it didn't matter. He got what was coming to him anyway...

As soon as we saw the jury for OJ he was going to be innocent

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In reply to JB • 9:58p, 6/22/26

JB said:
Gol***93 said:
What's the actual evidence of his sleeping in the same bed, or the kids drawing an accurate portrayal of his pen15, or the bedside stash of pics with bodily fluids on them?
.

The big interview with Martin Bashir, he admits himself that he sleeps with random boys. Super creepy interview.

The kid from 1993 drew the dick, but then got like 23mil hush money

The kid prn was evidence in the trials

Yep, he drew his spotted dick. That said, he didn't say MJ was uncircumcised which was what MJ's lawyers keyed in on, then they paid him. That said, the vast majority of young boys aren't going to know what circumcised vs uncircumcised even is, or at least to make note of it. Was probably also distracted seeing the speckled pecker. If that freak whipped his speckled pecker out in front of me, I can't say its circumcision status would be the thing I'd be making note of either.

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In reply to David_Puddy • 6:25p, 6/23/26

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David_Puddy said:
The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

So they set him up by sending small boys into his bedroom to sleep with him and he was all "OK, no problem" about it?

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In reply to agracer • 8:09p, 6/23/26

agracer said:
David_Puddy said:
The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

So they set him up by sending small boys into his bedroom to sleep with him and he was all "OK, no problem" about it?

I'm fascinated by the "See Mel Gibson" comment. Is the suggestion that Mel Gibson was trying to save children from Hollywood, so Hollywood Elite planted racist thoughts in his head and tricked him into going off on racists tirades?

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In reply to TCTTS • 8:11a, 6/24/26

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TCTTS said:
Marsh said:
This guy did a very recent look at MJ.

I thought it was well done and brought some things to light that I had never heard.

BTW, the guy covers a whole lot of really good topics if you've never watched his videos. Former investigative journalist, iirc.

I'll post the same response to this video as I did in the other thread...

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Just watched the video and it's fair enough. Very level-headed/makes some good points.

Still, believing that Jackson is most likely innocent because *some* accusers potentially - or even likely - had ulterior motives fails to account for the bigger picture.

Simply put, the chances of a grown man in his 30/40s NOT being a pedophile, who, on camera/on the record…

- Collected, framed, and displayed pictures of little boys (this is well documented, and I'm not even talking sexual images, though there are of course those rumors as well)…

- Infamously hung out with/played with/traveled with multiple little boys, at times in unsupervised, one-one-one scenarios…

- Groomed not just the boys, but their families as well (again, I'm not even talking sexually, only what we know on camera/record of him manipulating the boys/families through fame, showering of gifts/trips, encouraging a lack of adult supervisions at times, etc)…

- Publicly, on camera, not just admitting to sleeping in the same bed/bedroom as multiple boys, but defending/promoting it…

… are so astronomically low that it becomes willfully ignorant to believe in his innocence.

People can analyze/pick apart each individual accuser's story six ways to Sunday, point to the supposed fact that the famous (at the time) boys weren't sexually abused (just because he apparently showed restraint with them means nothing), and can rationalize all they want that Jackson was merely/innocently trying to reclaim the childhood he was robbed of by his abusive father. But when you truly take a step back, and objectively look at the entirety of what is on camera for the world to see, I would argue that it's morally irresponsible to give Jackson the benefit of the doubt. I would even go so far as to say that defending Jackson against these odds helps perpetuate pedophelia in general. I'm not at all saying that's what you're doing. Obviously not. It's just that I genuinely believe one has a moral responsibility to take off the rose-colored glasses, look past their nostalgia/love of his music, and admit that the chances are no where near 60/40 that he didn't do it.

Every fall I have to do safe sport training to be a soccer official in the US.

100% of those things you posted are huge red flags of abuse. If a soccer coach did any of those things and I knew about it and didn't tell anyone, I'd be in almost as much legal trouble as the molester coach.

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