*** THE 97TH ACADEMY AWARDS ***

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I totally hear you. That said, I can't emphasize enough how much everyone I know in the industry mocks this movie, how much every movie podcast I've heard discuss the Oscars has reiterated that they don't know a single person in the industry who likes this movie, and how many tweets I've seen today from industry insiders who have expressed shock/rage/disappointment/embarrassment that this movie is somehow even in the race. I really do think it's a super-far-left/international voter thing from a loud minority, almost as a last-gasp death rattle in the face of Trump being re-elected, that is not at all representative of how most people in this industry/town actually view it.

From Matt Belloni's newsletter tonight, which is along the lines of what I was saying...

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The political stakes on Oscar night: When is an Oscar race a referendum on Hollywood and the U.S. president? The 13 nominations for Emilia Prez instantly creates a frontrunner for best picture, but it's hardly a runaway, and I'd argue that with the preferential ballot, which is designed to reward consensus rather than polarizing films, five or arguably six of the nominees could actually win. (The others: Anora, The Brutalist, A Complete Unknown, Conclave, and Wicked.) The Academy's choice will almost certainly be scrutinized by Donald Trump and his fellow culture warriors, so either voters want to stick it to the openly anti-transgender president and pick the movie built around its trans star, or the Academy would prefer to not poke the bear and instead go for something else.

Please God let it be the latter. The discourse would be absolutely unbearable otherwise.

That said, the preferential voting thing is a good point and gives me hope. For those curious...

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In 2009, when the Oscar nominations were announced and Christopher Nolan's acclaimed 2008 comic book adaptation was not among the five nominees for best picture - bounced, in all likelihood, by a Holocaust movie, The Reader - it sparked outrage that convinced the Academy to take action. The organization's board of governors voted to expand the best picture category from five nominees - at which it had been capped for 65 years, since the year after Casablanca won best picture - to 10 in the hopes of increasing the likelihood that a popular film like The Dark Knight would be nominated for the top prize in the future. (A few years later, the Academy decided to change its approach yet again so that anywhere from five to 10 nominees could end up nominated for best picture.)

With the expansion of the best picture category, the Academy also changed the voting method to determine the winner. The organization realized that a polarizing film could, in a year in which votes were really spread around, conceivably win with the support of only a small percentage of members, and that seemed wrong. A film like 2011's The Tree of Life, for instance, was, in my judgment, beloved by some members, but strongly disliked by many more. It ended up losing to The Artist, but it could have won had the Academy not implemented a form of voting, for the best picture category only, that it had previously employed pre-1944, when it last had more than five nominees for best picture.

That system, brought back in 2009 and still employed to this day, is referred to as the "preferential ballot." The point of it is to ensure that the best picture winner is the movie that is the most widely liked by the electorate.

How does that work? Members are asked to rank all of the best picture nominees from best to worst - and then the rest is handled by PwC, the Academy's longtime accountants. PwC begins by sorting through the best picture ballots and creating piles for each film listed in the top spot on a ballot.

Unless a single film dominates by appearing in the No. 1 spot of more than 50 percent of all ballots - which can be difficult to do in a field of eight nominees - PwC then removes the film that has the smallest pile of No. 1 votes. But to ensure that that film's supporters still have some influence on the outcome, PwC redistributes the ballots in that pile according to which film each ballot lists as its No. 2 choice.

This process can continue for several rounds - the film with the smallest pile of ballots is eliminated and its ballots are redistributed according to its second-place choice, or its third-place choice, if the second-choice film has already been eliminated, and so on. That continues until one film's pile accounts for more than 50 percent of all ballots.
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All good to know, as I haven't seen the movie myself, but don't plan on seeing it either. Maybe one night between now and Oscar night I'll get morbidly curious and watch a few minutes on Netflix, otherwise it has less than zero appeal to me.
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veryfuller said:

I think movies can get lost in the awards campaigns that get built around them when they weren't made for that to begin with. This is a movie made by a French director that premiered at Cannes. Not your typical Hollywood Oscar bait. It won awards and acclaim there (which often does not translate to US success or acclaim). Netflix saw it was successful there, bought it, and has been campaigning for it HARD ever since.

Look I'm not saying Emilia Prez is GOOD, but….but…it is compelling in a watching a train wreck kind of way. It's one of the weirdest movies I've ever seen and mashes up genres in a creative, if scattered, way.

The performances of Saldana and Gomez are actually really impressive. I think Saldana would be the front runner in the lead category if she had opted to go that route too, tbh.

I don't think it deserves ALL the awards chatter (as many noms as Titanic?), and it is baffling to me why it has this political element of support considering it's not really pro-trans in any way. It's just a story about a trans drug cartel leader and all the fall out from his choices, mostly bad.

BUT…if you watch the movie and try and drown out all that chatter and just take it at face value, it's entertaining in its own way. Like that clip from above…that moment is supposed to be absurd and weird in the movie. It's not like the tone of the movie is straight serious. It's very bizarre and that's kind of the point.




If that's all it takes then the folks who made Madam Web should be pisssssssssssssssssssed
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And yet despite all the hits she's been in, she is not a box office draw and she is a nothing-burger from an acting perspective on screen.
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I would disagree with both of those statements. Audiences obviously don't show up to those three franchises specifically to see Zoe Saldana, but she either stars in or is featured heavily in three of the six highest grossing movies in history (both Avatars and then Infinity War), and that's outside of her three hugely popular Guardians movies and three fairly popular Star Trek movies. People can't help but associate her with some of the biggest, most beloved blockbusters over the past twenty years, and even if only subconsciously, know that if she's in it, it's almost assuredly worth seeing. As for her acting, personally, I think she's damn good. What she does in the Avatar movies alone is incredibly underrated, never mind how dependable/consistent she is in everything else.
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TCTTS said:

It really does sound like a small but effective contingent of theater dork actors, the most pompous of white liberals, and then white international voters with terrible taste. I guess there's just enough of those types sprinkled among the voting body to make a difference? Otherwise, literally everyone else not only hates it, but is incredulously asking the exact same question you are. Even a ton of white liberals I know and, once again, seemingly most hispanics and trans people as well. It's baffling.


I know this has been hashed out ad infinitum, but have you considered the alternative that maybe these people are just a lot more common than you give them credit for, especially in the circles that make all the real decisions?
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Megalopolis snubbed in every category.
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TCTTS said:

It's a Netflix musical.

Prepare for your jaw to hit the ground while watching this clip...


is that real?!?

Thought it was an SNL sketch
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91_Aggie said:

TCTTS said:

It's a Netflix musical.

Prepare for your jaw to hit the ground while watching this clip...


is that real?!?

Thought it was an SNL sketch
you must be joking, this movie seems like it would be a big hit on this board
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TCTTS said:

IMO, the worst snubs are…
  • No Sing Sing for Best Picture
  • No Denis Villeneuve for Best Director
  • No Challengers for Best Original Score

And the fact that Emilia Perez somehow garnered 13 nominations is utterly insane. No one in this town knows anyone who liked it - in fact, most people I know/have talked to absolutely hated it - yet a small but vocal contingent of assumingely far left weirdos somehow put it over the top (there's a big trans element in the movie).

Just embarrassing all the way around.


All this, plus no Super/Man for documentary.
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TCTTS said:

Kieran Culkin
(brother of Macaulay Culkin, star of Succession)
Uh, that's Fuller you're talking about.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

TCTTS said:

IMO, the worst snubs are…
  • No Sing Sing for Best Picture
  • No Denis Villeneuve for Best Director
  • No Challengers for Best Original Score

And the fact that Emilia Perez somehow garnered 13 nominations is utterly insane. No one in this town knows anyone who liked it - in fact, most people I know/have talked to absolutely hated it - yet a small but vocal contingent of assumingely far left weirdos somehow put it over the top (there's a big trans element in the movie).

Just embarrassing all the way around.


All this, plus no Super/Man for documentary.
The Remarkable Life of Ibelin - documentary snub. It was just fantastic. The hidden life of a disabled son.
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Right.

Look I know my weirdness tastes may not match most on this board, but I'd say its more weird and less bad than Madame Web. Like...its well made and you can tell that everyone involved is super into it. They are not just collecting a marvel paycheck or checking a box on a story that has 500 writers and producers jumping in to fix the edits. Its definitely the singular vision of the director, for better or worse.

I would say The Substance is a MUCH weirder Best Picture nominee than Emilia Prez.

My biggest snub is A Real Pain for best picture. That movie is great.
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What a complete joke. Denis didn't even get nominated?!

Also, I can't believe Dune 2 didn't get nominated for Original Score. Paul and Chani's love theme is up there with the greats like Indy's and Marion's. And the score as Paul is walking to the giant meeting?

Whatever, screw hollywood. I'm going back to not watching that ****, even though I'm a lifelong Conan fan. Last year was just one of those random blips of quality Oscars. Probably the first one I cared anything about since the year Return of the King won everything.
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Mega Lops said:

TCTTS said:

Kieran Culkin
(brother of Macaulay Culkin, star of Succession)
Uh, that's Fuller you're talking about.


Wait, wait, wait... are you screwing with me? Is that really him and I've never known that?!?!
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It really is remarkable how an industry so absurdly out of touch with its audience can continue to thrive.
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BassCowboy33 said:

TCTTS said:

It's a Netflix musical.

Prepare for your jaw to hit the ground while watching this clip...




I can't get around how much people hate this movie. Everyone, from all affiliations and walks of life, hates this film. How does it get so many noms?
Hollywood group think and virtue signaling. I think it's also a middle finger to the MAGA folks. Just my opinion.
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I've only seen Dune 2 and Wicked out of the Best Pic nominations. I got some watching to do....
The Substance will be watched this weekend. It'll get easier now that college football is over.
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It's funny because people having had enough of wokeness/DEI/whatever is one of the big reasons Trump won. Some of these Oscar voters are a little slow to come to that realization I guess.
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oragator said:

It really is remarkable how an industry so absurdly out of touch with its audience can continue to thrive.
Well, Oscar voters aren't the same as the industry as a whole. The industry puts out tons of non-Oscar fare each year that they think is gonna be in touch with audiences and make them money.
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Bummer Conan is being wasted on what looks like a snoozer of a movie award year.
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BassCowboy33 said:

TCTTS said:

It's a Netflix musical.

Prepare for your jaw to hit the ground while watching this clip...




I can't get around how much people hate this movie. Everyone, from all affiliations and walks of life, hates this film. How does it get so many noms?


This seems like an episode of South Park. Like Eric Cartman made this movie as a grift or to prove some kind of point, and it actually sweeps the Oscars because the academy is full of crazy wokesters.
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Belton Ag said:

BassCowboy33 said:

TCTTS said:

It's a Netflix musical.

Prepare for your jaw to hit the ground while watching this clip...




I can't get around how much people hate this movie. Everyone, from all affiliations and walks of life, hates this film. How does it get so many noms?


This seems like an episode of South Park. Like Eric Cartman made this movie as a grift or to prove some kind of point, and it actually sweeps the Oscars because the academy is full of crazy wokesters.
It's gay cowboys eating pudding all the way down.
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Biggest snubs:

- Dennis Villeneuve for Best Director
- Kneecap for Best International Feature
- Sick in the Head "Kneecap" for Best Song
- Conclave for Best Cinematography

Kind of a middling year for movies. There were some good movies, but nothing great that I've seen (though I'm seeing The Brutalist tomorrow). Dune 2 might have been the best thing that I saw. Last year, there were 6 or 7 Best Picture worthy winners. Probably going to be a weak or disaster of a winner this year.
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Lathspell said:

Mega Lops said:

TCTTS said:

Kieran Culkin
(brother of Macaulay Culkin, star of Succession)
Uh, that's Fuller you're talking about.


Wait, wait, wait... are you screwing with me? Is that really him and I've never known that?!?!


Yes.
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Belton Ag said:


This seems like an episode of South Park. Like Eric Cartman made this movie as a grift or to prove some kind of point, and it actually sweeps the Oscars because the academy is full of crazy wokesters.
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The wikipedia entry for Emilia Perez is just incredible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia_P%C3%A9rez

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The film was positively received in the United States and Europe, earning praise from both territories for its direction, music, performances, and themes. Internationally, it polarized critics, especially in Mexico, who criticized its cultural representation, songwriting, use of stereotypes and Spanish dialogue. The film has also been criticized by LGBTQ critics, who called out its transphobic tropes, reductive storyline and cisgender perspective about transness, with media monitoring organization GLAAD calling it "a step backward for trans representation."


So basically liberal white Americans and Europeans (aka Academy voters) praise the film while the people it portrays all pan it...you can't make this stuff up.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

TCTTS said:

It really does sound like a small but effective contingent of theater dork actors, the most pompous of white liberals, and then white international voters with terrible taste. I guess there's just enough of those types sprinkled among the voting body to make a difference? Otherwise, literally everyone else not only hates it, but is incredulously asking the exact same question you are. Even a ton of white liberals I know and, once again, seemingly most hispanics and trans people as well. It's baffling.


I know this has been hashed out ad infinitum, but have you considered the alternative that maybe these people are just a lot more common than you give them credit for, especially in the circles that make all the real decisions?

I'm sure that's part of it. But again, the evidence clearly shows that a HUGE contingency of people (industry types and otherwise) HATE this movie. In fact, I've never seen such vocal vitriol for an Oscar nominee in my life, and that's even among most Hollywood liberal types I know/listen to. It's less that I can't believe Emilia Perez voters are more common than I think, and more that the hatred for the movie is so vocal, and so overwhelming, that I simply don't understand how the numbers add up.
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Max Power said:

The wikipedia entry for Emilia Perez is just incredible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia_P%C3%A9rez

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The film was positively received in the United States and Europe, earning praise from both territories for its direction, music, performances, and themes. Internationally, it polarized critics, especially in Mexico, who criticized its cultural representation, songwriting, use of stereotypes and Spanish dialogue. The film has also been criticized by LGBTQ critics, who called out its transphobic tropes, reductive storyline and cisgender perspective about transness, with media monitoring organization GLAAD calling it "a step backward for trans representation."


So basically liberal white Americans and Europeans (aka Academy voters) praise the film while the people it portrays all pan it...you can't make this stuff up.

The insane far left in a nutshell.

It's basically "Latinx" in movie form. A term most hispanics hate but white extreme liberals still insist on using because of how good it makes them feel and what it virtue signals to other white extreme liberals.
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Quinn said:

Biggest snubs:

- Dennis Villeneuve for Best Director
- Kneecap for Best International Feature
- Sick in the Head "Kneecap" for Best Song
- Conclave for Best Cinematography

Kind of a middling year for movies. There were some good movies, but nothing great that I've seen (though I'm seeing The Brutalist tomorrow). Dune 2 might have been the best thing that I saw. Last year, there were 6 or 7 Best Picture worthy winners. Probably going to be a weak or disaster of a winner this year.

Unfortunately, this is the aftermath of last year's strikes. So many shoots/quality movies were delayed and won't come out until this year. Good news is this year should be a lot better, while 2026 is looking to be an all-timer.
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veryfuller said:

Right.

Look I know my weirdness tastes may not match most on this board, but I'd say its more weird and less bad than Madame Web. Like...its well made and you can tell that everyone involved is super into it. They are not just collecting a marvel paycheck or checking a box on a story that has 500 writers and producers jumping in to fix the edits. Its definitely the singular vision of the director, for better or worse.

I would say The Substance is a MUCH weirder Best Picture nominee than Emilia Prez.

My biggest snub is A Real Pain for best picture. That movie is great.


Sorry but no. Emilia Perez should not be nominated for *****
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TCTTS said:

Max Power said:

The wikipedia entry for Emilia Perez is just incredible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia_P%C3%A9rez

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The film was positively received in the United States and Europe, earning praise from both territories for its direction, music, performances, and themes. Internationally, it polarized critics, especially in Mexico, who criticized its cultural representation, songwriting, use of stereotypes and Spanish dialogue. The film has also been criticized by LGBTQ critics, who called out its transphobic tropes, reductive storyline and cisgender perspective about transness, with media monitoring organization GLAAD calling it "a step backward for trans representation."


So basically liberal white Americans and Europeans (aka Academy voters) praise the film while the people it portrays all pan it...you can't make this stuff up.

The insane far left in a nutshell.

It's basically "Latinx" in movie form. A term most hispanics hate but white extreme liberals still insist on using because of how good it makes them feel and what it virtue signals to other white extreme liberals.


damn if you aren't starting to sound normal
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The industry execs might understand money and the larger population. But it's still these people putting the concepts to film, even the fan favorite films (except for guys like Coogler who declined membership to the academy). Crazy how far out of touch they are.
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I call out the far left when it's warranted. The problem is, we're next door to one of the most far right echo chambers on the internet, the spillover from which has me defending Hollywood more than I'd like, from all kinds inaccurate insanity, making me sound to some people way less "normal" than I actually am.
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I'm a little surprised the Academy still uses the terms Actor and Actress. You guys should still be on board with them for that reason.
 
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