*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)

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Haha that summary was great to read through. If nothing else, I've tried to better myself through this thread on not judging first and listening(reading) to understand.

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Rigs said:

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Of that list, I've only seen part of The Batman. What a terrible movie.
What are you even talking about?

He was very good in The Batman, which is why that movie got 85% from critics, 87% from regular people on Rotten Tomatoes, and made over $775M.

Guess I'm in the minority. And I'm ok with that.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Ok there's a fair bit of slop in here, but some genuinely funny observations from ChatGPT's interpretation of a SparkNotes for this thread. Please enjoy.

https://the-odyssey.tomtomdrumdrum.workers.dev/


This thread, and your incredible summary, have become an instant classic which needs to be preserved in the Texags Smithsonian for future generations to study, learn from, and enjoy.

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tomtomdrumdrum to himself, probably:



"I'm setting the example. And what I've done is going to be puzzled over and studied and followed, forever."
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We went on an odyssey to watch this one.

We're on vacation in Colorado. Plans got rained out in Colorado Springs yesterday afternoon, so with nothing else to do we paid to see the movie in Imax. Right in the middle of the cyclops scene, they had a power glitch that halted the projector. They were able to get it back running, but then the sound messed up. So they gave us vouchers to use at any Cinemark theater.

So today we're in Glenwood Springs and guess what? Plans got rained out again. So we drove back to Eagle (about 25 miles away) and watched in a regular theater (not a Cinemark theater). So between the failed Imax ($25 x 2) and the regular showing ($14 x 2) they got $78 to add to the box office total.

The movie itself? It was okay. My wife is thrilled to go see any movie so she's happy.
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Not to take anything away from the quality of the movie but I think this is now being propelled just as much by becoming a "cultural event". Christopher Nolan....first movie ever shot all in imax....overwhelmingly positive critic reviewers.. I think people feel they have to go see it in theaters now so they can be a part of this event as much as they just want to see the actual movie. Which is ironic because a lot of people were curious to see how this would do compared to Oppenheimer since part of Oppenheimer's success was due to the Barbenheimer cultural event.
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That's what every successful movie for 100 years has been though.
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Rigs said:

That's what every successful movie for 100 years has been though.



Uhhh, do you mean every wildly successful movie? Maybe. But overall, I disagree.

A movie that simply makes a profit can be called successful, but that doesn't mean it became a cultural event. Most Marvel movies prior to Infinity War/Endgame were successfull but I wouldn't individually call them cultural events like Infinity War/Endgame became. Conversely, the Avatar sequels still make high revenue (gross at least) but I would argue they're not cultural events like the original was.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

Not to take anything away from the quality of the movie but I think this is now being propelled just as much by becoming a "cultural event". Christopher Nolan....first movie ever shot all in imax....overwhelmingly positive critic reviewers.. I think people feel they have to go see it in theaters now so they can be a part of this event as much as they just want to see the actual movie. Which is ironic because a lot of people were curious to see how this would do compared to Oppenheimer since part of Oppenheimer's success was due to the Barbenheimer cultural event.

Fair or unfair, I judge whether a movie is a 'cultural event' on how many people show in costume to watch it.

Other than the Trojan horse, do we know of any people doing this?
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Dallas Cinemark IMAX just released more 70mm tickets out to 9/14z I got late August and the theater is nearly sold out.


Also jeez, 700M in 12 days
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Backyard Gator said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

Not to take anything away from the quality of the movie but I think this is now being propelled just as much by becoming a "cultural event". Christopher Nolan....first movie ever shot all in imax....overwhelmingly positive critic reviewers.. I think people feel they have to go see it in theaters now so they can be a part of this event as much as they just want to see the actual movie. Which is ironic because a lot of people were curious to see how this would do compared to Oppenheimer since part of Oppenheimer's success was due to the Barbenheimer cultural event.

Fair or unfair, I judge whether a movie is a 'cultural event' on how many people show in costume to watch it.

Other than the Trojan horse, do we know of any people doing this?

Saw a couple of bull dykes.
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TCTTS said:



After opening day weekend when I couldn't get IMAX seats, except for the crappy front rows, I am returning to the theater with a couple of friends who have not seen the movie. IMAX 70mm continues to be completely sold out. Only the front rows are available in regular(?) IMAX. Standard seating is available.

The criticisms and complaints, of which I have made my own, have been beaten to death - for months now. At this point what would be interesting is a discussion of why this movie is doing so well.*

First, I believe it is a cultural event, though not how we might have thought of it in the past (e.g., wearing costumes), but because of the highly politicized and factional environment we now enjoy.

However, ticket sales are not due solely to people wanting to see what the political bickering is all about (i.e., the cultural event). If that were the case we would not be seeing the increased interest in Greek mythology with book sales and even gamers revisiting Assassin's Creed Odyssey. I, myself, have new copies of the Iliad and Odyssey in front of me, having last read them in high school.

People have been starving for something and this movie has been it. Is it the epic story? Is it the mythology? A combination of the two with Christopher Nolan at the helm? Realism and weariness of overuse of CGI? And what about those things (epics, mythology, etc.) have we been craving?

*I suppose the easy answer is epic adventure to which I ask, as above, why that and why now?
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AGinHI said:

TCTTS said:



After opening day weekend when I couldn't get IMAX seats, except for the crappy front rows, I am returning to the theater with a couple of friends who have not seen the movie. IMAX 70mm continues to be completely sold out. Only the front rows are available in regular(?) IMAX. Standard seating is available.

The criticisms and complaints, of which I have made my own, have been beaten to death - for months now. At this point what would be interesting is a discussion of why this movie is doing so well.*

First, I believe it is a cultural event, though not how we might have thought of it in the past (e.g., wearing costumes), but because of the highly politicized and factional environment we now enjoy.

However, ticket sales are not due solely to people wanting to see what the political bickering is all about (i.e., the cultural event). If that were the case we would not be seeing the increased interest in Greek mythology with book sales and even gamers revisiting Assassin's Creed Odyssey. I, myself, have new copies of the Iliad and Odyssey in front of me, having last read them in high school.

People have been starving for something and this movie has been it. Is it the epic story? Is it the mythology? A combination of the two with Christopher Nolan at the helm? Realism and weariness of overuse of CGI? And what about those things (epics, mythology, etc.) have we been craving?

*I suppose the easy answer is epic adventure to which I ask, as above, why that and why now?


Beyond the baseline of 'the movie is good'...I think there's 3 primary reasons for this run up:
  • The IMAX pilgrimage angle is doing more work than people give it credit for. Imax tickets went on sale and promptly sold out an entire year before the movie's premiere. That's not marketing responding to demand; that's marketing manufacturing scarcity around a physical, finite thing (a handful of 70mm-capable screens) in an era where nearly everything else is infinitely available on a couch.
  • The anti-CGI-fatigue read is real and testable. Ten plus years of Marvel-style digital spectacle has trained audiences to distrust what they're looking at. A three hr film built around practical scale and IMAX clarity is selling legibility; the sense that you're seeing something real rather than being shown a simulation of it.
  • And then there's plain brand trust. Nolan has spent two decades building an audience that treats his art as something worth inconveniencing yourself for. That's a scarce commodity in Hollywood few directors possess. Slapping "Directed by Christopher Nolan" on a movie almost guarantees $500m by itself before even considering the actual substance of the film.
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Backyard Gator said:


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imagine the farts in that theater
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I would be curious of the demographic breakdown but I have imagine Gen Z and younger millennial men have to be drivers for attendance. It's swords and myth and epic battles. It is the progenitor of the Hero's Journey. Men are at a low point historically and the idea of a man fighting for 10 years to get back to his wife and son strikes a powerful chord. Then getting that final battle against the suitors to save them.
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Yep. This...

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The IMAX pilgrimage angle is doing more work than people give it credit for.


...is part of what has contributed to the movie being a cultural event beyond just being your typical "successful" movie. People are caught up in the mania of "OMG, its sold out on IMAX for a month straight so if I get a chance to see it at 2:30 a.m. on Sept 1st then I better grab those tickets!"
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Backyard Gator said:


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Does concessions count towards the box office numbers? Is that why he got thrown out?

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Saxsoon said:

I would be curious of the demographic breakdown but I have imagine Gen Z and younger millennial men have to be drivers for attendance. It's swords and myth and epic battles. It is the progenitor of the Hero's Journey. Men are at a low point historically and the idea of a man fighting for 10 years to get back to his wife and son strikes a powerful chord. Then getting that final battle against the suitors to save them.


Except in this version his isn't a hero fighting to get back to his family, he's a self-hating PTSD-ridden guy trying to avoid going home.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

Saxsoon said:

I would be curious of the demographic breakdown but I have imagine Gen Z and younger millennial men have to be drivers for attendance. It's swords and myth and epic battles. It is the progenitor of the Hero's Journey. Men are at a low point historically and the idea of a man fighting for 10 years to get back to his wife and son strikes a powerful chord. Then getting that final battle against the suitors to save them.


Except in this version his isn't a hero fighting to get back to his family, he's a self-hating PTSD-ridden guy trying to avoid going home.


Even then the final act of letting go to the ocean can be seen as compelling
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Not that I have my finger on the pulse of ancient philosopher trends, but this movie coming out is the first time I've seen that "Homer (probably) didn't exist." That just feels like a viral talking point that people saw someone say and are parroting.
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I feel like I have heard that before but maybe I am mixing that up with Shakespeare.
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YouBet said:

Not that I have my finger on the pulse of ancient philosopher trends, but this movie coming out is the first time I've seen that "Homer (probably) didn't exist." That just feels like a viral talking point that people saw someone say and are parroting.

Nah I remember it being taught in High School when we read the Odyssey. There's no authenticated memory of a poet named Homer anywhere other than in reference to the storyteller of Illiad/Odyssey.
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M.C. Swag said:

YouBet said:

Not that I have my finger on the pulse of ancient philosopher trends, but this movie coming out is the first time I've seen that "Homer (probably) didn't exist." That just feels like a viral talking point that people saw someone say and are parroting.

Nah I remember it being taught in High School when we read the Odyssey. There's no authenticated memory of a poet named Homer anywhere other than in reference to the storyteller of Illiad/Odyssey.


I have zero recollection of that but that was also 35 years ago for me.
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"A Movie Rudely Interrupts the Thread"

That AI breakdown is incredible
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somebody get these BEGGARS out of here
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FL_Ag1998 said:

Yep. This...

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The IMAX pilgrimage angle is doing more work than people give it credit for.


...is part of what has contributed to the movie being a cultural event beyond just being your typical "successful" movie. People are caught up in the mania of "OMG, its sold out on IMAX for a month straight so if I get a chance to see it at 2:30 a.m. on Sept 1st then I better grab those tickets!"

how does that explain all of the non imax theaters selling out, lol
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PatAg said:

somebody get these BEGGARS out of here
best line delivery of the movie
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PatAg said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

Yep. This...

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The IMAX pilgrimage angle is doing more work than people give it credit for.


...is part of what has contributed to the movie being a cultural event beyond just being your typical "successful" movie. People are caught up in the mania of "OMG, its sold out on IMAX for a month straight so if I get a chance to see it at 2:30 a.m. on Sept 1st then I better grab those tickets!"

how does that explain all of the non imax theaters selling out, lol


I never said that's the ONLY reason its successful, hence where I said, "....is part". Lol.
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so the huge demand at the .5% of theaters that show IMAX 70mm was the big reason for the success of this film. makes perfect sense.
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Diggity said:

so the huge demand at the .5% of theaters that show IMAX 70mm was the big reason for the success of this film. makes perfect sense.


Read dude, ****ing read. Or just use your brain a little bit and work on your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. Good lord. Please point to where I said THE SOLE reason for the movie's success is the demand to see it in IMAX. You can't, because I didn't.

Or how about this? If there was no difference between the IMAX showings and regular showings, why were the IMAX seats sold out a year in advance of the movie's release and still in such demand that they're booked up for literally months after the movie's release?

I said the pre-eminent director of modern hollywood filming a movie completely in 70 mm IMAX has contributed to this movie becoming a cultural phenomenon for people to go see it in the theater, and preferably if they can in IMAX.

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Diggity said:

so the huge demand at the .5% of theaters that show IMAX 70mm was the big reason for the success of this film. makes perfect sense.

Literally not what he said, lol.
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Backyard Gator said:


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BadMoonRisin said:

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