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I guess it could be the difference of "brain off -> watch movie" versus "brain on -> watch movie".

If you are just going into the movie for eye candy, then yes you are absolutely right that it is a waste of time to discuss the small nuances of a film.

But if you go into the film looking for things that entertain and also stimulate your brain, whether that is accuracy of lore or character choices or cultural ties, then there could be areas that may please or displease a viewers experience.

Neither are bad, just a personal preference.

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yep. I for one have zero interest in seeing movies about WWI and WWII that are modernized and gimmicky, especially with modern lingo, etc. I just couldn't have less interest in those types of films. Now, if you want to make a historically accurate WWII film, but make it more artsy....yeah, I can get into that.

I think a lot of us are annoyed too because this is Christopher Nolan we're talking about here. This isn't Michael Bay. We'll know soon, but I just had higher expectations for Nolan in putting out a quality product, and not one that bent the knee.

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Adding Juno to the cast as a Greek soldier is just f'ing stupid. I think I even got TCTTS to agree on that some 20-30 pages back. And I say that as someone that did not at all buy the internet troll rumors that Juno was playing Achilles in whatever capacity. Is this actor even relevant in Hollywood? I can't recall seeing her in anything since an X-men film. She was a cute kid then. Shoehorning her into The Odyssey serves absolutely no other purpose than to put a trans person in this film. None.

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I think Page is an odd choice too, but not really shocking. Nolan has a history of working with the same actors over multiple movies. I'm guessing he had a good experience working with Page in Inception and cast her/him again to be supportive. Hard to get too upset with him when you look at it that way.

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I have said his point before, and ask it again: Technically the whole thing is race swapped. None of them are greek. So where is the line supposed to be on this?

I understand the argument that Hollywood has been doing this for a while, etc. But there are two competing arguments you are making. It can't be historically accurate and have an all white cast.

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Bro... this is where the accusations of you being obtuse come from. The cast may not be ethnically Greek, but you are not participating in a good faith discussion when you act like you can't see the difference between casting a similar looking European/Westerner and a sub-Saharan African. It's about trying to get as close as you can, within reason.

If a small troupe in Cambodia was putting on a play of The Odyssey, I wouldn't expect them to look Greek or travel to Europe to cast their play. I would expect to see Cambodians in the play. This is not the same thing. The casting was a specific choice, by Nolan. I refuse to believe he saw 50 different actresses and decided Lupita was by far the best possible actress for this role.

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Urban Ag said:

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Adding Juno to the cast as a Greek soldier is just f'ing stupid. I think I even got TCTTS to agree on that some 20-30 pages back. And I say that as someone that did not at all buy the internet troll rumors that Juno was playing Achilles in whatever capacity. Is this actor even relevant in Hollywood? I can't recall seeing her in anything since an X-men film. She was a cute kid then. Shoehorning her into The Odyssey serves absolutely no other purpose than to put a trans person in this film. None.

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I think Page is an odd choice too, but not really shocking. Nolan has a history of working with the same actors over multiple movies. I'm guessing he had a good experience working with Page in Inception and cast her/him again to be supportive. Hard to get too upset with him when you look at it that way.

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I've been living under a rock and have just placed the fact that Page played Ariadne in Inception. I thought she was pretty cute.

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double aught said:

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Urban Ag said:

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Adding Juno to the cast as a Greek soldier is just f'ing stupid. I think I even got TCTTS to agree on that some 20-30 pages back. And I say that as someone that did not at all buy the internet troll rumors that Juno was playing Achilles in whatever capacity. Is this actor even relevant in Hollywood? I can't recall seeing her in anything since an X-men film. She was a cute kid then. Shoehorning her into The Odyssey serves absolutely no other purpose than to put a trans person in this film. None.

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I think Page is an odd choice too, but not really shocking. Nolan has a history of working with the same actors over multiple movies. I'm guessing he had a good experience working with Page in Inception and cast her/him again to be supportive. Hard to get too upset with him when you look at it that way.

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I've been living under a rock and have just placed the fact that Page played Ariadne in Inception. I thought she was pretty cute.

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she was indeed cute. such a shame.

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Imagine being such an insufferable ***** that you have to dissect a cast of characters in a fictional script because they don't fit within your small worldly view. And then allow that to disrupt what should be an awesome film with a extremely trustworthy film maker.

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imagine doing a movie on the 1992 dream team and casting it with all white, asian and hispanic guys, as well as a couple of trans. And, instead of fellow humans on other Olympic basketball teams, the other teams are made up of robots and animals that have been trained to play basketball. Oh, and instead of being played in Barcelona, the Olympics actually take place in the lost city of Atlantis.

sorry that the dissection is over your head.

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Imagine thinking a biopic on an actual group of people in the last 50 years that we're all very familiar with is the same thing as a movie based on a historical myth that's thousands of years old.

Sorry but that was a genuinely terrible attempt at a comparison.

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SECcess12 said:

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Imagine being such an insufferable ***** that you have to dissect a cast of characters in a fictional script because they don't fit within your small worldly view. And then allow that to disrupt what should be an awesome film with an extremely trustworthy film maker.

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Imagine thinking of yourself as inclusive, except for people that have a different view on things and thinking you have some moral or intellectual superiority over them. So shallow that you think diversity is labeled through skin color, and not through the collective of intellect, culture, and experience. That would suck to be that small.

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Imagine thinking that the collective of intellect, culture and experience cannot be achieved with a diverse group of casted characters and to preemptively judge that group of characters because that isn't who you would cast.

That would suck to live that way and to think you are intellectually superior over one that is giving the cast a chance.

Its not obtuse, man. None of the cast even look greek. Yes, its a starker contrast with someone who is literally African being in a cast of mostly white Americans/Brits. And that is an argument you are making.

But you are also asking for historical accuracy -- and that cast is not it. People have been complaining about the dialogue as well, and again I think, what is the difference in speaking in more modern parlance vs something that sounds "older" but still isn't accurate to the time? Its like, just for show "accuracy". So I'm just curious what really IS the line. I want to understand where Nolan took a wrong turn and what you are actually wanting from a "faithful" adaptation.

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I have said his point before, and ask it again: Technically the whole thing is race swapped. None of them are greek. So where is the line supposed to be on this?

I understand the argument that Hollywood has been doing this for a while, etc. But there are two competing arguments you are making. It can't be historically accurate and have an all white cast.

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Bro... this is where the accusations of you being obtuse come from. The cast may not be ethnically Greek, but you are not participating in a good faith discussion when you act like you can't see the difference between casting a similar looking European/Westerner and a sub-Saharan African. It's about trying to get as close as you can, within reason.

If a small troupe in Cambodia was putting on a play of The Odyssey, I wouldn't expect them to look Greek or travel to Europe to cast their play. I would expect to see Cambodians in the play. This is not the same thing. The casting was a specific choice, by Nolan. I refuse to believe he saw 50 different actresses and decided Lupita was by far the best possible actress for this role.

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The problem is thinking that acting is just about looks. But I understand as that is what Hollywood has generally become. Superficial.

Man this thread is an absolute beating, and I align 100% with the folks on one side of this argument.

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Man this thread is an absolute beating, and I align 100% with the folks on one side of this argument.

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Cool story bro, would you risk loss of life or limb for this or not? Edit: Meant to add wink emoji

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Sea Speed said:

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Man this thread is an absolute beating, and I align 100% with the folks on one side of this argument.

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Cool story bro, would you risk loss of life or limb for this or not? Edit: Meant to add wink emoji

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that face doesn't even launch 1 of my ships, maybe a half ship

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This movie came up at a 4th of July gathering last weekend, and I was reminded that it's pointless to even mention seeing it due to people who will pretend to be offended that someone else watched it much less possibly even enjoyed it (the horror!!!). We'll see about the latter part soon enough.

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Not sure I believe this...I don't know any conservatives who act this way...who would ridicule someone for wanting to see The Odyssey by Christopher Nolan, just because it might possibly be disappointing or have some questionable casting decisions?

Was someone seriously "offended" that you want to see this? WTF? Where do you live???

That's usually how liberals behave...sure you aren't projecting?

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Lathspell said:

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veryfuller said:

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I have said his point before, and ask it again: Technically the whole thing is race swapped. None of them are greek. So where is the line supposed to be on this?

I understand the argument that Hollywood has been doing this for a while, etc. But there are two competing arguments you are making. It can't be historically accurate and have an all white cast.

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Bro... this is where the accusations of you being obtuse come from. The cast may not be ethnically Greek, but you are not participating in a good faith discussion when you act like you can't see the difference between casting a similar looking European/Westerner and a sub-Saharan African. It's about trying to get as close as you can, within reason.

If a small troupe in Cambodia was putting on a play of The Odyssey, I wouldn't expect them to look Greek or travel to Europe to cast their play. I would expect to see Cambodians in the play. This is not the same thing. The casting was a specific choice, by Nolan. I refuse to believe he saw 50 different actresses and decided Lupita was by far the best possible actress for this role.

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The problem is thinking that acting is just about looks. But I understand as that is what Hollywood has generally become. Superficial.

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Dude, HELEN OF TROY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD. A female demigod that is universally desired...a woman of unmatched beauty.

If you saw that woman at an A&M tailgate, or at an Astros game, you wouldn't look twice...I don't care what race you are. Unless maybe she had a bangin body and was dressed super skimpy.

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This movie came up at a 4th of July gathering last weekend, and I was reminded that it's pointless to even mention seeing it due to people who will pretend to be offended that someone else watched it much less possibly even enjoyed it (the horror!!!). We'll see about the latter part soon enough.

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Not sure I believe this...I don't know any conservatives who act this way...who would ridicule someone for wanting to see The Odyssey by Christopher Nolan, just because it might possibly be disappointing or have some questionable casting decisions.

Was someone seriusly "offended" that you want to see this? WTF? Where do you live???

That's usually how liberals behave...sure you aren't projecting?

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agreed, I'll take things that never happened for $1,000 alex

How it feels to read this thread every day

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How it feels to read this thread every day

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Want to know how divided we are politically and culturally as a nation? I bet both sides of the argument agree with this and assume you are talking about the other side.

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Its not obtuse, man. None of the cast even look greek. Yes, its a starker contrast with someone who is literally African being in a cast of mostly white Americans/Brits. And that is an argument you are making.

But you are also asking for historical accuracy -- and that cast is not it. People have been complaining about the dialogue as well, and again I think, what is the difference in speaking in more modern parlance vs something that sounds "older" but still isn't accurate to the time? Its like, just for show "accuracy". So I'm just curious what really IS the line. I want to understand where Nolan took a wrong turn and what you are actually wanting from a "faithful" adaptation.

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I'm not the "historical accuracy" person. I've not critiqued the dialogue or armor.

I'm the "fatigued by hollywood race-swapping" person. HTH.

I'm both. Mel Gibson isn't a Scot, and his accent bothered actual Scots, but he also isn't jarringly NOT Scottish. Braveheart pissed off Scots for some valid reasons because it definitely distorted the history of Wallace and Robert the Bruce and some battle details, BUT the cast was largely English and Scottish, the setting looked right, and it was all done (accurately or not) to lionize a Scottish hero. Tourism went crazy after that because it made people interested in Scotland and Scottish history. That's what good movies did before you had to do insane **** to please industry people and not risk freaking out the woke mob.

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SECcess12 said:

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Lathspell said:

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veryfuller said:

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I have said his point before, and ask it again: Technically the whole thing is race swapped. None of them are greek. So where is the line supposed to be on this?

I understand the argument that Hollywood has been doing this for a while, etc. But there are two competing arguments you are making. It can't be historically accurate and have an all white cast.

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Bro... this is where the accusations of you being obtuse come from. The cast may not be ethnically Greek, but you are not participating in a good faith discussion when you act like you can't see the difference between casting a similar looking European/Westerner and a sub-Saharan African. It's about trying to get as close as you can, within reason.

If a small troupe in Cambodia was putting on a play of The Odyssey, I wouldn't expect them to look Greek or travel to Europe to cast their play. I would expect to see Cambodians in the play. This is not the same thing. The casting was a specific choice, by Nolan. I refuse to believe he saw 50 different actresses and decided Lupita was by far the best possible actress for this role.

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The problem is thinking that acting is just about looks. But I understand as that is what Hollywood has generally become. Superficial.

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Dude, HELEN OF TROY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD. A female demigod that is universally desired...a woman of unmatched beauty.

If you saw that woman at an A&M tailgate, or at an Astros game, you wouldn't look twice...I don't care what race you are. Unless maybe she had a bangin body and was dressed super skimpy.

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I can't believe they chose her for this fictional character. I am so triggered now.

Last post on this thread.

How to solve the movie industry problem with finding the "right" actors and actresses. Let's go back to the days when only whites who were not lgbtq fairy tale things could act.

Take Birth of a Nation. That there, was a true masterpiece of cinematography with top rated acting.

Wish someone would make a reboot of that movie.

Make white movies great again

SECcess12 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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SECcess12 said:

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Lathspell said:

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veryfuller said:

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I have said his point before, and ask it again: Technically the whole thing is race swapped. None of them are greek. So where is the line supposed to be on this?

I understand the argument that Hollywood has been doing this for a while, etc. But there are two competing arguments you are making. It can't be historically accurate and have an all white cast.

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Bro... this is where the accusations of you being obtuse come from. The cast may not be ethnically Greek, but you are not participating in a good faith discussion when you act like you can't see the difference between casting a similar looking European/Westerner and a sub-Saharan African. It's about trying to get as close as you can, within reason.

If a small troupe in Cambodia was putting on a play of The Odyssey, I wouldn't expect them to look Greek or travel to Europe to cast their play. I would expect to see Cambodians in the play. This is not the same thing. The casting was a specific choice, by Nolan. I refuse to believe he saw 50 different actresses and decided Lupita was by far the best possible actress for this role.

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The problem is thinking that acting is just about looks. But I understand as that is what Hollywood has generally become. Superficial.

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Dude, HELEN OF TROY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD. A female demigod that is universally desired...a woman of unmatched beauty.

If you saw that woman at an A&M tailgate, or at an Astros game, you wouldn't look twice...I don't care what race you are. Unless maybe she had a bangin body and was dressed super skimpy.

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I can't believe they chose her for this fictional character. I am so triggered now.

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I think some of you have it twisted...you seem to genuinely believe that we are "crushed" by this...rattled to the core. Probably because that is generally how leftists feel when confronted with different viewpoints or world views. They take it as an assault on their very being. This doesn't impact our lives one bit, but this is an entertainment board and entertainment is somewhat of a hobby or interest for a lot of us...an escape.

We are just rolling our eyes at the absurd casting decision. I know yall desperately want it to be "racism". No, it's just so out of left field an unexpected, it feels like a DEI choice.

Hardcore Greg said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Lathspell said:

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veryfuller said:

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I have said his point before, and ask it again: Technically the whole thing is race swapped. None of them are greek. So where is the line supposed to be on this?

I understand the argument that Hollywood has been doing this for a while, etc. But there are two competing arguments you are making. It can't be historically accurate and have an all white cast.

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Bro... this is where the accusations of you being obtuse come from. The cast may not be ethnically Greek, but you are not participating in a good faith discussion when you act like you can't see the difference between casting a similar looking European/Westerner and a sub-Saharan African. It's about trying to get as close as you can, within reason.

If a small troupe in Cambodia was putting on a play of The Odyssey, I wouldn't expect them to look Greek or travel to Europe to cast their play. I would expect to see Cambodians in the play. This is not the same thing. The casting was a specific choice, by Nolan. I refuse to believe he saw 50 different actresses and decided Lupita was by far the best possible actress for this role.

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The problem is thinking that acting is just about looks. But I understand as that is what Hollywood has generally become. Superficial.

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Dude, HELEN OF TROY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD. A female demigod that is universally desired...a woman of unmatched beauty.

If you saw that woman at an A&M tailgate, or at an Astros game, you wouldn't look twice...I don't care what race you are. Unless maybe she had a bangin body and was dressed super skimpy.

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I can't believe they chose her for this fictional character. I am so triggered now.

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I think some of you have it twisted...you seem to genuinely believe that we are "crushed" by this...rattled to the core. Probably because that is generally how leftists feel when confronted with different viewpoints or world views. They take it as an assault on their very being. This doesn't impact our lives one bit, but this is an entertainment board and entertainment is somewhat of a hobby or interest for a lot of us...an escape.

We are just rolling our eyes at the absurd casting decision. I know yall desperately want it to be "racism". No, it's just so out of left field an unexpected, it feels like a DEI choice.

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I know it's not racism. That's not my point. My point is that these casting decisions shouldn't detract from the movie unless the acting is just ****ty. My point is to give this a chance before ****ting all over it.

I don't mind the discussions, but you have to understand how it appears to those of us that don't care about the casting.

I wonder if they'd race swap in a remake of Downfall.

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Last post on this thread.

How to solve the movie industry problem with finding the "right" actors and actresses. Let's go back to the days when only whites who were not lgbtq fairy tale things could act.

Take Birth of a Nation. That there, was a true masterpiece of cinematography with top rated acting.

Wish someone would make a reboot of that movie.

Make white movies great again

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We had to watch that movie in Film class at A&M. There is a racist fear-p0rn scene depicting what would happen if too many blacks are let into congress and it turns into a mad house, with all professionalism going out the window. Feet on the desks and people eating turkey legs and getting wild.

It kind of reminded me of how the modern democrat party acts in recent state of the union addresses and congressional hearings...but they are mostly white and latino. Just zero decorum. Can't even applaud a 10 yr old boy dying of terminal brain cancer because he has always dreamed of being a cop...or because they don't like the president or whatever. Just complete lunacy.

Hardcore Greg said:

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SECcess12 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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SECcess12 said:

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Lathspell said:

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veryfuller said:

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I have said his point before, and ask it again: Technically the whole thing is race swapped. None of them are greek. So where is the line supposed to be on this?

I understand the argument that Hollywood has been doing this for a while, etc. But there are two competing arguments you are making. It can't be historically accurate and have an all white cast.

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Bro... this is where the accusations of you being obtuse come from. The cast may not be ethnically Greek, but you are not participating in a good faith discussion when you act like you can't see the difference between casting a similar looking European/Westerner and a sub-Saharan African. It's about trying to get as close as you can, within reason.

If a small troupe in Cambodia was putting on a play of The Odyssey, I wouldn't expect them to look Greek or travel to Europe to cast their play. I would expect to see Cambodians in the play. This is not the same thing. The casting was a specific choice, by Nolan. I refuse to believe he saw 50 different actresses and decided Lupita was by far the best possible actress for this role.

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The problem is thinking that acting is just about looks. But I understand as that is what Hollywood has generally become. Superficial.

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Dude, HELEN OF TROY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD. A female demigod that is universally desired...a woman of unmatched beauty.

If you saw that woman at an A&M tailgate, or at an Astros game, you wouldn't look twice...I don't care what race you are. Unless maybe she had a bangin body and was dressed super skimpy.

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I can't believe they chose her for this fictional character. I am so triggered now.

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I think some of you have it twisted...you seem to genuinely believe that we are "crushed" by this...rattled to the core. Probably because that is generally how leftists feel when confronted with different viewpoints or world views. They take it as an assault on their very being. This doesn't impact our lives one bit, but this is an entertainment board and entertainment is somewhat of a hobby or interest for a lot of us...an escape.

We are just rolling our eyes at the absurd casting decision. I know yall desperately want it to be "racism". No, it's just so out of left field an unexpected, it feels like a DEI choice.

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Wish TC would realize this. Part of the reason he gets so ****ing amped is because he takes our complaints as us absolutely beside ourselves with outrage, when it's really not that. I guess it's easier to imagine those who annoy you as, well, all the names he calls us, instead of just dudes on a message board with thoughts.

Only thing that makes this particular instance of this **** more than a little frustrating to me is that as a fan of both most of Nolan's previous work and a fan of history in general, this should be one of my favorite films of the last few years. It's the same feeling I felt once trailers for Napoleon dropped and I realized despite the cool content and huge budget, it was going to be crap. Nolan just took this in a ****ed up direction, for reasons we can't agree on.

It would be a bit like having Jacob Elordi play Michael Jordan in Air. I mean, there would be a lot of WTF??? happening.

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Adding Juno to the cast as a Greek soldier is just f'ing stupid. I think I even got TCTTS to agree on that some 20-30 pages back. And I say that as someone that did not at all buy the internet troll rumors that Juno was playing Achilles in whatever capacity. Is this actor even relevant in Hollywood? I can't recall seeing her in anything since an X-men film. She was a cute kid then. Shoehorning her into The Odyssey serves absolutely no other purpose than to put a trans person in this film. None.

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I think Page is an odd choice too, but not really shocking. Nolan has a history of working with the same actors over multiple movies. I'm guessing he had a good experience working with Page in Inception and cast her/him again to be supportive. Hard to get too upset with him when you look at it that way.

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Ah, so it was an achievement award. Makes sense.

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Urban Ag said:

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Adding Juno to the cast as a Greek soldier is just f'ing stupid. I think I even got TCTTS to agree on that some 20-30 pages back. And I say that as someone that did not at all buy the internet troll rumors that Juno was playing Achilles in whatever capacity. Is this actor even relevant in Hollywood? I can't recall seeing her in anything since an X-men film. She was a cute kid then. Shoehorning her into The Odyssey serves absolutely no other purpose than to put a trans person in this film. None.

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I think Page is an odd choice too, but not really shocking. Nolan has a history of working with the same actors over multiple movies. I'm guessing he had a good experience working with Page in Inception and cast her/him again to be supportive. Hard to get too upset with him when you look at it that way.

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Ah, so it was an achievement award. Makes sense.

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Very, very generous assumption. Totally get it if Nolan liked her and wanted to cast her again at some point, but out of all the projects and opportunities to do so, he lands on making a person with the build of a 6th grade boy a....Greek warrior?

Pure virtue signal.

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Hardcore Greg said:

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SECcess12 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Lathspell said:

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veryfuller said:

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I have said his point before, and ask it again: Technically the whole thing is race swapped. None of them are greek. So where is the line supposed to be on this?

I understand the argument that Hollywood has been doing this for a while, etc. But there are two competing arguments you are making. It can't be historically accurate and have an all white cast.

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Bro... this is where the accusations of you being obtuse come from. The cast may not be ethnically Greek, but you are not participating in a good faith discussion when you act like you can't see the difference between casting a similar looking European/Westerner and a sub-Saharan African. It's about trying to get as close as you can, within reason.

If a small troupe in Cambodia was putting on a play of The Odyssey, I wouldn't expect them to look Greek or travel to Europe to cast their play. I would expect to see Cambodians in the play. This is not the same thing. The casting was a specific choice, by Nolan. I refuse to believe he saw 50 different actresses and decided Lupita was by far the best possible actress for this role.

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The problem is thinking that acting is just about looks. But I understand as that is what Hollywood has generally become. Superficial.

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Dude, HELEN OF TROY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN THE WORLD. A female demigod that is universally desired...a woman of unmatched beauty.

If you saw that woman at an A&M tailgate, or at an Astros game, you wouldn't look twice...I don't care what race you are. Unless maybe she had a bangin body and was dressed super skimpy.

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I can't believe they chose her for this fictional character. I am so triggered now.

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I think some of you have it twisted...you seem to genuinely believe that we are "crushed" by this...rattled to the core. Probably because that is generally how leftists feel when confronted with different viewpoints or world views. They take it as an assault on their very being. This doesn't impact our lives one bit, but this is an entertainment board and entertainment is somewhat of a hobby or interest for a lot of us...an escape.

We are just rolling our eyes at the absurd casting decision. I know yall desperately want it to be "racism". No, it's just so out of left field an unexpected, it feels like a DEI choice.

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Wish TC would realize this. Part of the reason he gets so ****ing amped is because he takes our complaints as us absolutely beside ourselves with outrage, when it's really not that. I guess it's easier to imagine those who annoy you as, well, all the names he calls us, instead of just dudes on a message board with thoughts.

Only thing that makes this particular instance of this **** more than a little frustrating to me is that as a fan of both most of Nolan's previous work and a fan of history in general, this should be one of my favorite films of the last few years. It's the same feeling I felt once trailers for Napoleon dropped and I realized despite the cool content and huge budget, it was going to be crap. Nolan just took this in a ****ed up direction, for reasons we can't agree on.

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You've posted on this thread damn near every day, multiple times a day, for weeks on end.

I have as well.

The difference is, every single time you post, it's either to express a negative sentiment toward this movie, or agree with a negative sentiment expressed toward this movie. Just as I said last night, everything you do here is part of a relentless campaign that goes FAR beyond simply being "frustrated." Anyone who brings such an onslaught of gleeful hate and mocking toward this movie - week after week after week, day after day after day - without having seen it for themselves, isn't just causally annoyed. You simply cannot express the HUNDREDS of negative sentiments you've shared about this movie and expect us to believe you're not either outraged or obsessed with culture war politics. Again, you can gaslight us all you want, but your actions objectively point to someone who has a desperate, pathological need to either see this movie fail or have your worldview reflected back to you, while, in the process, letting us all know that anyone who disagrees with you is a woke, DEI supporting, Hollywood-dick-sucking simp.

In fairness to the casting of Page, Achilles, the greatest of the Greek Warriors, was said to have hid as a girl for 9 years. Page isn't playing Achilles, but if the Ancient Greeks believed their strongest warrior could be mistaken for a girl, then maybe they weren't as big and as strong as we give them credit for (or maybe their women were bigger and stronger than ours).

Also, just like Helen, Sinon (Page's character) isn't really part of the story, nor is Sinon supposed to be a great warrior. I find it funny that people are getting bent out of shape over characters that will likely only be in for a few minutes. I'm assuming to give back story.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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You still don't understand that art is subjective and that opinions on it are going to vary greatly. What's exhausting is that you can't recognize that and continually insist that people holding a negative view are not just wrong, but flawed. Look in a mirror for what's truly exhausting.

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Dude, I'm convinced now that some of you straight up don't read what I type at all, you simply think "lib" or whatever nonsense when you see my handle, and respond accordingly.

Because it's truly astonishing how many times I've gone out of my way to say that my complaints have NOTHING to do with differing opinions, that I UNDERSTAND your differing opinions, and I even SYMPATHIZE with your opinions. To a degree, of course.

Rather, it's the TONE, VOLUME, CERTAINTY, MISINFORMATION, and sheer, never-ending, overwhelming ONSLAUGHT of negative opinions that take over this thread and are such a relentless beating, for something you haven't seen yet for yourselves.

That's it and that's all.

Narrator: That wasn't all.

By all means feel free to elaborate.