The suitors on Ithaca during the 10 years Odysseus was away pic.twitter.com/RHrrUtd7cY

— Gwdihŵ 🦉 (@youwouldknow) July 18, 2026

Zendaya in "The Odyssey" pic.twitter.com/ys1jftmSdG

— Ethan Shanfeld (@ethanshanfeld) July 18, 2026

AustinAg2K said:

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Let's say, hypothetically, this movie is woke like many people are still claiming... With the weekend box office returns, does that mean that America has now accepted wokeness and the left won?

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Yes

thats exactly what it means.

Or

Maybe it means most rational people have stopped listening to both sides.

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But it's just… so clear that's not what Nolan is doing, considering all the other themes of the movie. Rather, he's simply saying, thematically, "Hey, this is us." He's using an old Greek story to hold up a mirror to the modern world, in a modern piece of art/entertainment. That's it. It's not about erasing cultures or anything like that, and nothing is going be eroded or replaced or whatever due to a single movie.

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Just to make a point about this post TC, but nobody is claiming that one movie by itself erases a culture. That's not how these movements work. They're built on implementing longterm changes to the general population's mindset, and doing that one small step at a time that's almost not even noticeable unless you look closely.

One change in vernacular here. Followed by a small reframing of history there. Then a small deconstruction of a tradional hero or role model next.

You don't change the structure of a civilization via big sudden changes. People are resistant to change. So you do it via small things in their day-to-day routine that they hardly notice. And if they do possibly notice it you respond with, "Pffft, what are you talking about? Its just a movie!"

Will universal studios create a theme park ride based on this movie? Haven't been in a while so not sure they have a water ride.

Fine, I can accept that, but my larger point still remains… that simply isn't Nolan's objective at all, and the proof is all throughout the movie.

Just in!
The iconic BFI IMAX in London announced that #TheOdyssey had the BIGGEST 3-day Opening weekend of ALL TIME at the giant theatre’s #BoxOffice.
What’s more, with pre-sales for future screenings alone, #ChristopherNolan’s Epic is already the #3 highest grossing movie of ALL… pic.twitter.com/vXTP3RdxDo

— Luiz Fernando (@Luiz_Fernando_J) July 19, 2026

TCTTS said:

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Fine, I can accept that, but my larger point still remains… that simply isn't Nolan's objective at all, and the proof is all throughout the movie.

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FL_AGs last two posts are spot f'ing on. However, I will grant you that what you say here could be true as well. If your take is accurate, the problem lies in that even if Nolan is innocently just making his version for modern audiences it can't help but play into the post modernism nonsense that is now ubiquitous in our culture. It plays right into this western ideology deconstructive crap whether or not Nolan had that intention.

And I'll throw out a dumbed down aspect of this...one of my issues with this is that the younger generations are so mis-educated and ignorant that they will watch this and think it's historically accurate that an Indian and a black guy were Greek in Ancient Greece. It plays into the overall degradation of western culture however innocent one might think it is.

Really

Then you don't have much faith in the younger generation. I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain knows they are not Greek.

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Really

Then you don't have much faith in the younger generation. I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain knows they are not Greek.

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I don't. The majority of the younger generations are or want communism. They are highly uneducated and ignorant as a demographic.

Well then we need to clearly delineate between the two. That's why I'm arguing the point. I don't think it is Nolan going all in on post-modernism, as I've argued, and I think that's important because it makes the movie stand out as different kind of storytelling than we are being served at the moment.

And your example? I don't believe this for a second. People may be dumb, but not that dumb. It's pretty widely accepted now that story beats may be historically accurate even if people don't look exactly the way the real person did, as it has been for 100 years in Hollywood entertainment.

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TCTTS said:

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Fine, I can accept that, but my larger point still remains… that simply isn't Nolan's objective at all, and the proof is all throughout the movie.

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FL_AGs last two posts are spot f'ing on. However, I will grant you that what you say here could be true as well. If your take is accurate, the problem lies in that even if Nolan is innocently just making his version for modern audiences it can't help but play into the post modernism nonsense that is now ubiquitous in our culture. It plays right into this western ideology deconstructive crap whether or not Nolan had that intention.

And I'll throw out a dumbed down aspect of this...one of my issues with this is that the younger generations are so mis-educated and ignorant that they will watch this and think it's historically accurate that an Indian and a black guy were Greek in Ancient Greece. It plays into the overall degradation of western culture however innocent one might think it is.

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Your last point is a good one and why I took a lot of issue with how the film has been framed and marketed. It was only lightly framed as an adaptation. When you're talking about globally universal educational content, like this epic, I think you have a responsibility to stay truer to period. If you want to go super modern version, fine, but say as much. Don't try to hint at a modern flare while pretending to be true to the source material. As someone who really appreciated and loved Homer as a kid, it's a bit painful to think that most in these newer generations will picture this, whereas we got the 1997 version.

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TCTTS said:

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Fine, I can accept that, but my larger point still remains… that simply isn't Nolan's objective at all, and the proof is all throughout the movie.

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FL_AGs last two posts are spot f'ing on. However, I will grant you that what you say here could be true as well. If your take is accurate, the problem lies in that even if Nolan is innocently just making his version for modern audiences it can't help but play into the post modernism nonsense that is now ubiquitous in our culture. It plays right into this western ideology deconstructive crap whether or not Nolan had that intention.

And I'll throw out a dumbed down aspect of this...one of my issues with this is that the younger generations are so mis-educated and ignorant that they will watch this and think it's historically accurate that an Indian and a black guy were Greek in Ancient Greece. It plays into the overall degradation of western culture however innocent one might think it is.

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No, they won't. Give them a little more credit than absolutely none at all. And even if they do, it is a giant, over-the-top, pearl-clutching leap from thinking "an Indian a black guy were Greek in Ancient Greece" to "overall degradation of western culture." I know you think it's a slippery slope, but IMO it's nothing more than incendiary, insecure, Fox-News-fear-mongering exaggeration.

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Well then we need to clearly delineate between the two. That's why I'm arguing the point. I don't think it is Nolan going all in on post-modernism, as I've argued, and I think that's important because it makes the movie stand out as different kind of storytelling than we are being served at the moment.

And your example? I don't believe this for a second. People may be dumb, but not that dumb. It's pretty widely accepted now that story beats may be historically accurate even if people don't look exactly the way the real person did, as it has been for 100 years in Hollywood entertainment.

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Maybe we do because I don't think we have any idea what Nolan's actual beliefs are. He seems to keep things very close to the vest. Isn't he the guy that doesn't have a mobile phone? That by itself likely puts him in somewhat of a bubble and protects him from our misinformation overload society.

You have more confidence than I do then. Go look at the recent elections in this country. The people voting for far left wing nonsense which is the purview of this entire post modern movement consists of two groups - the college "educated"and foreign born. US academia is a ****show of misinformation and usurpation of western ideology for the past couple of decades. That is simply fact and it has degraded our country.

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YouBet said:

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TCTTS said:

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Fine, I can accept that, but my larger point still remains… that simply isn't Nolan's objective at all, and the proof is all throughout the movie.

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FL_AGs last two posts are spot f'ing on. However, I will grant you that what you say here could be true as well. If your take is accurate, the problem lies in that even if Nolan is innocently just making his version for modern audiences it can't help but play into the post modernism nonsense that is now ubiquitous in our culture. It plays right into this western ideology deconstructive crap whether or not Nolan had that intention.

And I'll throw out a dumbed down aspect of this...one of my issues with this is that the younger generations are so mis-educated and ignorant that they will watch this and think it's historically accurate that an Indian and a black guy were Greek in Ancient Greece. It plays into the overall degradation of western culture however innocent one might think it is.

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No, they won't. Give them a little more credit than absolutely none at all. And even if they do, it is a giant, over-the-top, pearl-clutching leap from thinking "an Indian a black guy were Greek in Ancient Greece" to "overall degradation of western culture." I know you think it's a slippery slope, but IMO it's nothing more than incendiary, insecure, Fox-News-fear-mongering exaggeration.

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I don't watch Fox News and it's not fear mongering. We have example after example of our academic system getting David Burg'ed. I'll refrain further from going into it here but anyone can peruse the thousands of sourced examples that have been shared on the dreaded and feared F16 board over the past several years, if they so wish.

Lol at the idea that people who are embracing communism, ignore biological facts, and probably couldn't point out more than 3 countries on a globe are smart enough to know ancient Greeks weren't Indian or black.

These are people who literally rewrite history, every day. These same people believe the US is the most evil country to ever exist and is the sole country most responsible for slavery in this world's history.

I dont buy it.

If anyone's interested, this is a verrrrrry in-depth look at Nolan's usage of digital FX in his movies.

It's super long, but if there's a certain film you're curious about it's broken down by chapter.

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Lol at the idea that people who are embracing communism, ignore biological facts, and probably couldn't point out more than 3 countries on a globe are smart enough to know ancient Greeks weren't Indian or black.

These are people who literally rewrite history, every day. These same people believe the US is the most evil country to ever exist and is the sole country most responsible for slavery in this world's history.

I dont buy it.

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This is why it's hard to take you seriously sometimes. You constantly exaggerate to the point of painting massive demographics/races/generations of people with the broadest brush possible, a brush that is always defined only by that demographics'/races'/generations' worst characteristics. All you see are monoliths and stereotypes, never the nuance, variety, or the complexities of reality.

This is exactly why I judge his intentions based on what he is doing/saying in the film itself and none of the other outside stuff that is getting brought in.

This. The past two movies I've seen, especially when it comes to audience experience, have been the two best movies of the year, and yet they could not be more different…

The fact that the last two movies I saw in theatres were a dramady with 4 actors in a single apartment (THE INVITE) and literally one of the biggest movies ever (THE ODYSSEY) and both had absolutely packed audiences who were losing their minds over how good they were was nice ngl pic.twitter.com/Ug5bXeMojw

— Seymour Butts (@VashKohime) July 19, 2026

Christopher Nolan says he had the image of the Trojan Horse half-buried in the sand in his mind for 20 years.

“Very influenced by seeing the first ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie as a kid… the idea of a fallen monument approach to that.”

(Source: steppingthroughfilm/IG) pic.twitter.com/OrzrIlssRk

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) July 19, 2026

Curious that some are mentioning The Lord of the Rings. I was thinking about the ending (the actual ending, not the ending before the ending before the ending before the final ending) of Return of the King with the elves, Bilbo, Frodo, and Gandalf riding that boat into the sunset when Odyssius was speaking to his wife aboard that boat about heading off into the sunset over the horizon.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Curious that some are mentioning The Lord of the Rings. I was thinking about the ending (the actual ending, not the ending before the ending before the ending before the final ending) of Return of the King with the elves, Bilbo, Frodo, and Gandalf riding that boat into the sunset when Odyssius was speaking to his wife aboard that boat about heading off into the sunset over the horizon.

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Both should have used Lonely Island and T-Pain's "I'm on a Boat" as the closing track to the movie.







And before Spilner nerd checks you, the actual ending is Sam getting back to the Shire.

Weren't you supposed to be ignoring me?

I guess you can't quit me.

Landon Donovan gives serious Elliott page vibes now

YouBet said:

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TCTTS said:

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Fine, I can accept that, but my larger point still remains… that simply isn't Nolan's objective at all, and the proof is all throughout the movie.

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And I'll throw out a dumbed down aspect of this...one of my issues with this is that the younger generations are so mis-educated and ignorant that they will watch this and think it's historically accurate that an Indian and a black guy were Greek in Ancient Greece. It plays into the overall degradation of western culture however innocent one might think it is.

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I'd be with you on this point… if the story were actually historical in nature.

But it isn't. Sure… it's an ancient story… but it's not history… it's mythology.

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TCTTS said:

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I'm having fun here, and still on a high from the great movie I just saw. What you just said is nothing more than your over-dramatic perception/projection of me.

Also? You're clearly not here just "trying to have a conversation," when, for pages now, literally all you've done is post mocking tweet after mocking tweet about the movie, and now a string of paranoid, conspiracy-laden nonsense that has long-since been proven false. It's just been that, and nipping at me for days.

In other words, you OBVIOUSLY have it out for this movie, and me, and anytime I say something in return, that goes against your agenda, you get your panties in a bunch.

You think I need to take a few deep breaths? You're the one who's been spending post after post, talking **** about a movie that, as far as I can tell, you still haven't even seen for yourself. By all means, though, I would love to hear how that's any less pathetic than whatever you're accusing me of doing.

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Persecution complex much?

What, exactly, is 'my agenda'?

I spend time on Twitter each day, usually reading any pop culture for the day, and anything interesting on football.

Because this movie is trending somewhat on Twitter, I see tweets about it, and post the tweets on this thread.

I'm starting to wonder if you're one of those people who needs to feel like they're in conflict at all times, if you like having an 'enemy' to argue with. Your persecution complex would make sense then. You're so accustomed to chaos, you're uncomfortable without conflict, so you seek it out. If no conflict exists, you create it, like you're attempting here with me.

Seeing any tweets I post on here as an attack on the movie, and personalizing those tweets into an attack on you is exactly the problem I posted about previously.

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You're not very good at this, are you?

Because it's beyond obvious now you're just gaslighting.

So these tweets you come across, that you then post here, what a coincidence that you only come across countless negative ones about the movie and never positive ones. How convenient.

And you realize we can scroll back through the thread to see everything you've posted, right? And observe that, yes, undeniably, you've replied to me often not with tweets (I never said anything of the sort), but with multiple posts arguing with me, calling me out, making fun of me, etc. In fact, you've been kind of obsessed with me the past couple of days, and the proof is right there for anyone to see. I'm not imagining that. Just observing objective reality.

Never mind that it's all just so… cliched. Your quips are the same old **** I've heard from a handful of others who act and sound just like you. All really just upset that someone is attempting to call them out on their bull*****

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The reason I come across negative tweets regarding The Odyssey is probably a reflection of the accounts I generally follow, which are conservative in nature.

This one popped up today:

📹| في واقعة طريفة حاول شخصان دخول قاعة عرض فيلم [ The Odyssey ] دون شراء التذاكر بعدما اختبآ داخل نموذج مصغّر لحصان طروادة في محاكاة كوميدية للقصة الشهيرة.
pic.twitter.com/2ASUJD7u4g

— BuraStar (@BuraStar23) July 19, 2026

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In a funny incident, two people tried to enter a movie theater screening [The Odyssey] without buying tickets after hiding inside a miniature model of the Trojan Horse in a comedic reenactment of the famous story.

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Also this one:

I just saw The Odyssey.

It was truly an epic movie, the cast was on point and diverse, and I think it might be a front runner for best movie of all time.

It honestly might even better than Tremors 4, or possibly even Above The Law starring Steven Seagal, and we all remember…

— Phoenix 🇺🇸 (@Phoenix2A_1980s) July 18, 2026

And this one:

Casting Samuel L. Jackson as Medusa ruined The Odyssey for me. I have my doubts that Homer even wrote “I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on my motherfucking head!”

— Rep. Jack Kimble (@RepJackKimble) July 19, 2026

I don't think I've made fun of you in any of my replies, although I may have pointed out why a position you hold is wrong.

I recall you telling Cliff he was 'obsessed' with you. If everyone who replies to you is 'obsessed with you', you're not a victim, you're a narcissist.

If everyone is telling you the same thing and repeating the same message, maybe the problem is you, and not everyone else? You might want to think on that for a minute.

Except it's not "everyone." Not even close. Rather, it's always - every single time - a very specific type of extremely online, culture-war-obsessed, right-leaning poster who makes being anti-woke a huge part of their online identity, to the point of needing to preach their anti-woke-ness, in overbearing fashion, on an Entertainment message board. I have zero problem with anyone else here, and for the most part I get along with just about everyone else. Sure, I'm passionate about the industry, and sure, some of us argue about dumb **** from time to time. But again, it's only ever extremely online, culture-war-obsessed, right-leaning folks who talk about me in the ways you do, get bent out of shape over me in the ways that you do, and hound me in the ways that you do. That's not me being a narcissist, that's me perceiving objective reality. Beyond that, I've explained myself and my motivations to you numerous times already over the past few days, and you're simply choosing not to listen. Which is, sure enough, yet another common trait of the handful here who always give me *****

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YouBet said:

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TCTTS said:

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Fine, I can accept that, but my larger point still remains… that simply isn't Nolan's objective at all, and the proof is all throughout the movie.

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FL_AGs last two posts are spot f'ing on. However, I will grant you that what you say here could be true as well. If your take is accurate, the problem lies in that even if Nolan is innocently just making his version for modern audiences it can't help but play into the post modernism nonsense that is now ubiquitous in our culture. It plays right into this western ideology deconstructive crap whether or not Nolan had that intention.

And I'll throw out a dumbed down aspect of this...one of my issues with this is that the younger generations are so mis-educated and ignorant that they will watch this and think it's historically accurate that an Indian and a black guy were Greek in Ancient Greece. It plays into the overall degradation of western culture however innocent one might think it is.

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Your last point is a good one and why I took a lot of issue with how the film has been framed and marketed. It was only lightly framed as an adaptation. When you're talking about globally universal educational content, like this epic, I think you have a responsibility to stay truer to period. If you want to go super modern version, fine, but say as much. Don't try to hint at a modern flare while pretending to be true to the source material. As someone who really appreciated and loved Homer as a kid, it's a bit painful to think that most in these newer generations will picture this, whereas we got the 1997 version.

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Your take on this and YouBet's posts remind me of the Netflix version of The Witcher. When the series came out, multiple people on here who read the graphic novel panned it for straying completely from the source material. I didn't think much of it at the time until the Blood Origin prequel came out, and I watched the 'making of' episode. That is when I realized that these people had taken an original source material and used it as a light framework to tell the story they wanted to tell, so they message they wanted delivered was heard.

It sounds like Nolan may have done the same thing here, using the Odyssey as framework to tell the story he wants to tell, and deliver his message.

If that is true, no wonder this movie is so polarizing.

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Except it's not "everyone." Not even close. Rather, it's always - every single time - a very specific type of extremely online, culture-war-obsessed, right-leaning poster who makes being anti-woke a huge part of their online identity, to the point of needing to preach their anti-woke-ness, in overbearing fashion, on an Entertainment message board. I have zero problem with anyone else here, and for the most part I get along with just about everyone else. Sure, I'm passionate about the industry, and sure, some of us argue about dumb **** from time to time. But again, it's only ever extremely online, culture-war-obsessed, right-leaning folks who talk about me in the ways you do, get bent out of shape over me in the ways that you do, and hound me in the ways that you do. That's not me being a narcissist, that's me perceiving objective reality. Beyond that, I've explained myself and my motivations to you numerous times already over the past few days, and you're simply choosing not to listen. Which is, sure enough, yet another common trait of the handful here who always give me *****

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How have I talked about you? How am I 'bent out of shape' over you? How have I 'hounded you'? Give examples of any or all of the three from my posts on this thread.

Is replying to your posts 'hounding you'?

Except it's not what he did. He adapted the story into a movie and focused on the things he wanted to from the story. He isn't just totally making it whatever he wants.

Maybe go see it before opining on what Nolan is and isn't doing with his adaptation?

Don't bother; he's just a narcissist.

You hit the nail on the head in your post about him. You just inflamed him because of how close to home you hit.

This thread.