*** CREATURE COMMANDOS *** (Animated Max/DCU Series)

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The first official entry of James Gunn's new DCU begins this Thursday with a two-episode premiere, with the season as a whole currently sitting at an impressive 95% on Rotten Tomatoes. Not to mention, at least one character (Rick Flag Sr., voiced/played by Frank Grillo), if not more, will appear in the live-action Superman next July (while other characters are set to make their live-action debuts in additional future DCU projects). In other words, it sounds like this is definitely worth checking out, for multiple reasons...

Creature Commandos
Season 1 (7 Episodes)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26545355/
December 5, 2024
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Creature Commandos takes place shortly after Peacemaker season one, as Amanda Waller (Viola Davis) sidesteps the congressional ruling that she can no longer enlist human prisoners for A.R.G.U.S.'s dangerous missions by now using imprisoned monsters. As a result, Waller hands a new operation and team to Rick Flag Sr. (Frank Grillo), the father of the fallen Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman), who was murdered by Peacemaker/Christopher Smith (John Cena) in Gunn's DC debut, The Suicide Squad (2021). Grillo's older Flag will also play a key role in the upcoming Superman film and second season of Peacemaker, all of which serves as an example of the kind of synergy that Gunn hopes to maintain between animation and live-action.
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Watched the first two yesterday, and it's very much a James Gunn show. They laid out a few compelling storylines, like Frankenstein and the Bride. The Sons of Themyscira thing is hilarious.

I will say I kind of wish we didn't already know that the Bride and Nina survive
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I enjoyed the first two episodes a ton. Gunn is a master craftsman at making things weird and fun.

And given who he is in this, it will be interesting to see Frank Grillo's character in Peacemaker S2.
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I have to say, the music choices are legitimately terrible. Just really grating, annoying, and I don't feel like they fit the action at all... but maybe that's partly the point? I can't tell.

That said, story-wise, by the end of episode three this week I was mostly into it overall. I wasn't a huge fan of the first two episodes - they were fine - but the bigger picture is starting to come together, I'm enjoying the characters more, etc, and will definitely stick with it for the duration now.
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I think hes trying too hard with the Indie music that just happens to have similar lyrics to something a character says or something that is happening
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TC,
Thanks for pointing me to thread. I couldn't find it for some reason.

I've only watched E1. Didn't like it. I'll give the next two a shot since they are so short and see if it can suck me in.
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No problem.

After the pilot, the overarching story continues, of course, but each episodes starts focusing more on a single character via flashbacks, which is more effective, IMO. Episode two is The Bride and episode three is G.I. Robot, which I liked the best. It still might not be your cup of tea - it's honestly not mine either - but I admit it's starting to suck me in.
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Just FYI, I don't know how influential Gunn was with the music here, seeing as didn't direct any episodes, he only co-wrote them. I'm sure he had input, though.
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Just finished today's episode. Overall pretty good, but definitely missing GI Robot right now. Cheers to the Tin Man!

I also don't really need Weasel to be a misunderstood/redeemable character. I think him being who he was in The Suicide Squad was just fine if we have to include him in this universe.
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I need to rewatch episode 3 and I haven't seen 4 yet.

And they should have included Weasel's wiener in this show.

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Amen.

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I kinda enjoy this show. At first I wished they dropped all the episodes at once, but I agree each week really has allowed the show to breathe. I can see how this show isn't everyone's cup of tea. But I find it entertaining in its over the topness.

I am not sure it was the right show to jump start a new universe, but I am entertained. It would be like if Guardians of the Galaxy was the first Marvel Movie.

The GI Robot episode was way better than it had any right to be.
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I have to say, after watching the season finale tonight, this was a pretty big miss for me.

While I really liked the backstory/flashback-per-episode format, and a couple of the characters were fun and/or interesting, ultimately, the plot was all over the place, it didn't make a whole lot of sense, and I legit could not tell you what the hell the Princess was actually doing, what her motivations were in the end, etc.

Which is all a bit concerning considering Gunn himself wrote this.

That, and it's technically the fourth entry in the Suicide Squad > The Suicide Squad > Peacemaker > Creature Commandos continuum, which is kind of tired at this point and now feels like we're running with the D or even E team. It's also still super weird that this continuum and these characters are for some reason the lynchpin of the entire DCEU to DCU transition.

Not to mention - one last time - I hated the music so, so much.

Granted, it's just a cartoon, but with so much riding on the success of the new DCU, as the first entry it's such a random, bizarre, and flippant tone-setter.
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TCTTS said:

I have to say, after watching the season finale tonight, this was a pretty big miss for me.

While I really liked the backstory/flashback-per-episode format, and a couple of the characters were fun and/or interesting, ultimately, the plot was all over the place, it didn't make a whole lot of sense, and I legit could not tell you what the hell the Princess was actually doing, what her motivations were in the end, etc.

Which is all a bit concerning considering Gunn himself wrote this.

That, and it's technically the fourth entry in the Suicide Squad > The Suicide Squad > Peacemaker > Creature Commandos arc/continuum, which is kind of tired at this point and now feels like we're running with the D or even E team. It's also still super weird that this arc/continuum and these characters are for some reason the lynchpin of the entire DCEU to DCU transition.

Not to mention - one last time - I hated the music so, so much.

Granted, it's just a cartoon, but with so much riding on the success of the new DCU, as the first entry it's such a random, bizarre, and flippant tone-setter.


I both agree and disagree with this.

On the one hand, I agree that this was a really bizarre show to kick off the DCU. But a lot of that is because I don't think these characters are meant to be the lynchpin characters. They are just minor characters in the background. Except for Waller, who I think could be setting up as a "big bad." But I think the rest of the characters are meant to be cameo type characters to give a sense of continuity across all the projects without having to pay for major characters/actors to appear across different films/projects.

I think this is an attempt to avoid the problem Marvel ran into where people just come to watch the big stars and the projects start to flounder without the stars. I am not sure this plan will work. But I think that is what they are attempting.

But this leads to my biggest issue, which is why have your first show be something that is essentially skippable? I get establishing Waller some more, but as you noted it is established and starting to be overplayed.

I sort of agree on the princess storyline being an afterthought. But there are points of the show, like the Princess's guards and castle being super high tech while her country was effectively poor supporting her plan of taking over the world through nuclear war. Her motivation was just acquiring more power.

It seemed like this first set of shows/movies is about Gods and Monsters dealing with power. The princess was just a monster trying to get power.

Personally, I think they needed one more episode focusing on the Princess's flashback, to establish her as the monster which would juxtapose with the Creature Commandos all being seen as Monsters, but by and large were victims of circumstance and who did "monstrous" things due to factors beyond their control.

That said, I liked the music. The cover of The Doors People are Strange as the theme to Nina's story about alienation and social awkwardness was well done. Also the music having this third-word, Eastern European flair helped me to accept the weirdness of the situation and convey the themes or the show.

Which to me was, this Cold War relic idea that bad things were going to come out of Eastern European that there going to destroy the world without the "good guys" knowing about.

This sort of fits back into establishing Waller as a player in the DCU. You have the heroes and villains doing their thing, regular people doing their thing, and Waller controlling the fallout from both worlds.

Ultimately, this is a niche show that isn't going to have broad appeal and is probably skippable.

I am at a B/B+ because I really enjoyed the story and what they attempted, but could have been executed better.
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All fair points.

"Lynchpin" was probably the wrong word. I meant more that, as opposed to a main hero like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc, it's super weird that this random, four-part side-story about a bunch of misfit freaks + Waller is for some reason the one holdover from the old DCEU to the new DCU, and the thing the DCU is leading with. Obviously it's because Gunn is the constant there, but it just makes the whole endeavor feel off to me from the jump, as opposed to a fresh restart from scratch.

As for the Princess, yeah, she definitely should have been given a flashback episode as well. That's a great idea that could have solved a lot of this show's problems for me.

And I get what you're saying about Waller, and how she fits in or whatever, I just find her endlessly boring and repetitive at this point. She keeps making mistake after mistake, to the point where there's absolutely no way she should still have a job. Heck, she herself should be in jail by now. After all this time, the fact that there's an entire show in development about her is crazy to me.
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I don't disagree with these points.

But I feel like some of these points have two sources:

1. DCU doesn't have a Batman/Wonder Woman. Superman isn't going to be released in a Max show. So, it is hard for them to lead off with the big characters. Plus, I think they want to develop the C/D listers to sprinkling into projects. Kinda like Marvel thought about doing with Agents of Shield, but never committed to. I think there are actually structural reasons this won't work, but I think that is what they are trying to do. Create an effective Agents of Shield sub-story to stitch the big tent poles together.

2. It really felt like they were told, release a show on Max and this project was the furthest along and easiest to do. As I think the pitch was pre-DCU.

So, I fully agree this is a bizarre entry to the new DCU.

On Waller, I think Gunn's biggest weakness is writing villains or characters that aren't viewpoint characters. This is what I think has gotten Waller so far, she is kinda just there to make the other characters shine.

But I think her own show, will force them into making her a better developed character. Kinda what happened to Peacemaker. So, while I agree she feels one note, I think a show dedicated to her may actually fix the problem instead of making it worse.

All this being said, I would not be shocked if the entire DCU doesn't end up being a bunch of really creative shots and experiments that mostly end up with execution issues and being too weird. This show wasn't too weird for me, but felt really close to the line and I can totally see how it goes over the line for others.
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I do think this was very filler (and ultimately skippable), and wish the Waller show had been made in its place. It would have felt more natural than this since they were keeping Gunn's previous show and movie as part of the DCU.

Also, how in the hell is Clayface supposed to have his own movie now?
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I think the one that was "killed" was a Clayface clone/duplicate which I think is a power they give him periodically. Hence, why it was so bad as acting as the professor and was dispatched with relatively ease.

Or this was one Clayface and the movie will be another Clayface. There have been a lot of Clayfaces.
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Right, and I think I read they want to go with the Matt Hagen version from BTAS, but I don't think introducing multiple iterations of the same type of character off the bat is a good move.
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AgfromHOU said:

Right, and I think I read they want to go with the Matt Hagen version from BTAS, but I don't think introducing multiple iterations of the same type of character off the bat is a good move.


Yeah. It is going to be confusing at best.

In a vacuum and standing on its own, I liked the show and was entertained.

But I fully agree as the launching point for a new universe of movies and shows, it has major issues and seems like a poor vehicle as a starting off point with questionable story hooks for that purpose.

Honestly, this seemed to almost/but not quite fit into the Harley Quinn/Kite Man tv show story line than a new DCU universe show.
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