Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I mean that rule should make most fathers feel good I would think.

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You know what would make me feel good? My daughter's not getting nutted all over.

This generation WAY over shares their personal lives with their parents.

Anyone that doesn't understand that, isn't doing their homework.

I mean, that's not great, but I'd say hardly the most degenerate thing ever on tv. I tend to always classify rape, torture, and murder as being much more degenerate than sex.

And I think kind of the point of the scene, without watching the show, is to once again show how degenerate a character played by Billy Bob Thorton really is (see Bad Santa, etc).

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Maybe the most degenerate scene I've ever seen on TV

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We watch very different TV.

Leggo My Elko said:

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Maybe the most degenerate scene I've ever seen on TV

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We watch very different TV.

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This. Sounds like OP needs to watch Human Centipede.

bangobango said:

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I mean, that's not great, but I'd say hardly the most degenerate thing ever on tv. I tend to always classify rape, torture, and murder as being much more degenerate than sex.

And I think kind of the point of the scene, without watching the show, is to once again show how degenerate a character played by Billy Bob Thorton really is (see Bad Santa, etc).

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I almost feel the need to defend the character here. Granted, he may be a degenerate and an absentee father. But in this scene, what we are seeing is the result of the mother's parenting. He is discovering how much he has let down his daughter by not being there.

I think White Lotus would be a nice place to jump in for some truly adult degenerate behavior. Then if one can stomach that, graduate to Euphoria.

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C@LAg said:

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you should probably pay attention to what your kids are learning about sex at school. this is likely a cakewalk compared to that.

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I assure you, the OP and I are paying attention to what our kids are learning in school and it's nothing like this garbage

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I believe he means what they are learning from other kids, not in a class setting.

Is this show as dumb as it looks?

Also, does OP only watch PBS? Go check out Shameless if you want to see some real degenerate behavior

Sea Speed said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I mean that rule should make most fathers feel good I would think.

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You know what would make me feel good? My daughter's not getting nutted all over.

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You'd rather she be nutted inside?

Hollywood is full of degenerates who get off on this kind of stuff. Writers, directors, producers, etc. They project these situations as if this is common dialogue b/t parents and kids. The scene does nothing to enhance the plot, develop characters, or add any redeeming quality to the show.

Guaranteed the writer/director inserted this scene b/c deep inside he wanted to be the star QB w/ the hot girlfriend (or she wanted to be the hot girlfriend of the QB).

aglaohfour said:

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You realize there is something in between telling kids "no sex" and the completely absurd conversation portrayed in that clip? We can only protect our kids so much. Homeschooling them is great, but they have to be prepared for what they'll face in the world.

I went to a conservative private school, and my parents didn't tell me one single thing about sex except, "don't do it." I got to A&M and I knew literally nothing about sex AND even thinking about it scared me. I wasn't remotely equipped to protect myself or to set boundaries with men because I didn't even know what the lines were, let alone how to discuss them directly with someone. My naivety put me in some dangerous situations. Fortunately for me, most of the young men I encountered generally intended to be gentlemen and were understanding when they realized how little I knew. There was one who was not, and it took many years to heal from what happened there.

So yeah, I'm not willing to tell my daughter "no sex" and leave it at that. I want to set her up to be able to talk about sex openly. Not explicitly, in the style of Taylor Sheridan, but directly, and honestly. If I don't teach her how to do this, she could end up learning on the fly from some 20 year-old man child who does not have her best interest at heart.

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Sorry to hear about your experience and yours is exactly the reason why I think the way I do.

Some of y'all act like sex is a four letter word. While i don't want to teach them everything about it; I'm not going to pretend like it doesn't exist. I'd rather be frank and honest about sex and their periods. I don't get squeamish in asking them if they're prepared for their periods as they head off to school. I do their laundry and have had to buy emergency underwear so I know that it happens. The thing that breaks my heart is when I hear that some schools don't make pads available to girls. But I digress.

I caught my daughter googling sex stuff that she heard from boys. Yes they talk about sex whether it's a conservative school or not. I talked to her about it and shared enough to curb her curiosity. I told her that she can come to me and ask me any question that she wants and that I will give age appropriate answers. Ultimately, I don't want her trying to figure things out from the internet or other kids.

The only thing that is cringy is her last response, otherwise, I have no issue with a father asking if her daughter is having safe sex. Better to be safe than sorry.

I'm guessing that most people outraged by the clip didn't watch the show. The dialogue is to show you how far removed BBT's character is from the day-to-day raising of his daughter, and the fact that she's being left to her own devices by a Mom that is too focused on where she's going on vacation with her new boyfriend. He chose the oilfield life vs. being an involved parent.

Does it shock you and make you shake your head? That was the whole point. Don't be a BBT with your kids.

Y'all act like it was being celebrated. "Hollywood is full of degenerates that get off on this kind of stuff"? Get a grip.

BCO07 said:

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This is one of the many reasons we home school. That clip is gross and the fact that it's becoming normal is sad. I'd never have that conversation with my daughter. There is no safe sex conversation, there's a no sex conversation. Maybe there's a conversation in high school about how the term safe sex is absurd if you understand teleology

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You're setting your kids up for failure.

BCO07 said:

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This is one of the many reasons we home school. That clip is gross and the fact that it's becoming normal is sad. I'd never have that conversation with my daughter. There is no safe sex conversation, there's a no sex conversation. Maybe there's a conversation in high school about how the term safe sex is absurd if you understand teleology

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Which makes it a pointless conversation.

Somehow I think this would be a different thread if it was the son talking to his dad...

Just like when teachers have sex with students.

Guys? Awesome! High five!
Girls? Predator needs to be in jail. She doesn't know what she wants

I'm not gonna tell anyone how to raise their kids.
I will only say that some of the girls that went the craziest sexually my freshman year (sleeping with double digits of guys for instance) were the ones from very religious or otherwise sexually sheltered household's. Some of them I am still friends with all these years later, they evened out eventually. But they had a rough few years, and it could have been very dangerous for them. For all I know it was and I just never found out.

Getting upset over this is like calling Michael Scott a racist or a homophobe.

If nothing else...this "very special episode" of Landman has started a conversation.

NoahAg said:

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Hollywood is full of degenerates who get off on this kind of stuff. Writers, directors, producers, etc. They project these situations as if this is common dialogue b/t parents and kids. The scene does nothing to enhance the plot, develop characters, or add any redeeming quality to the show.

Guaranteed the writer/director inserted this scene b/c deep inside he wanted to be the star QB w/ the hot girlfriend (or she wanted to be the hot girlfriend of the QB).

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Taylor Sheridan wrote this scene.

Sheridan was born in Texas and lives/works there to this day.

He owns both the Four Sixes Ranch and the Bosque Ranch.

Also, he played high school football.

And is about as un-Hollywood as Hollywood gets.

This thread is so damn cringe, to the point where I'm sorry I even clicked on it. And I wasn't even a fan of the Landman pilot.

BCO07 said:

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Nah, I think I've got a good handle on things. Given the data, the standard way of going about the sex topic sets them up for failure. I'll go ahead and reject that and have a more adult way of going about it. The major problem is that sex conversations with teens half way treats them like kids and leaves out any real intellectual conversation and then sets up the expectation that they will obviously have sex. Then we wonder why 30% or more of the babies I've delivered have been to kids in school. I've had parent after parent look at me with their pregnant sophomore and say "I tried to tell her to protect herself"

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Abstinence education results in higher teenage pregnancy rates.

BCO07 said:

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All of that data is based on school programs. That's not the same thing as what they hear at home

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I'm not in your house to know what is said, but your argument was specifically that teaching safe sex leads to more pregnancies in teens. The data doesn't support that argument. Quite the opposite. Restricting that information from teens leads to higher rates of pregnancy.

My argument was specific to parenting given the clip in the op. As I said before the classic "don't, but if you do" is confusing and inconsistent. It frames sex and the associated teleology in a totally nonsensical manner. You should of course talk about the broader social topic of "safe sex" but it should be done in a manner that points out illogical nature of the term

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whatthehey78 said:

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Harsh yes, but I disagree. In today's society, it is a conversation that should occur MORE often. Good series by the way.

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Normal people aren't asking their daughters where their boyfriends ejaculate.

Acting looks horrible based on that clip.

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Normal people don't work the oil field in the Permian basin in my experience