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Some garbage acting and filming in this show.

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Also some great acting & a pretty cool story.
It's the dichotomy of life.

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Other than Common, I had no problems with the acting. Ferguson was awesome.

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David Oyelowo and the actor that plays Billings are also both really good, and of course Tim Robbins.

I haven't watched this yet, but definitely will in advance of Thursday, when season two debuts...

Tonight.

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Tonight.

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Will this release at 12am eastern? So I would be able to watch at 11 central? I just ask because it says 11/15.

Apple shows almost always release at 9 PM Eastern the night before the official release date. Tonight should be no different.

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Apple shows almost always release at 9 PM Eastern the night before the official release date. Tonight should be no different.

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Sweet!

I can never remember if we're using spoiler tags or not

Bit of a slow start, but the intensity was ratcheted up that entire episode as she was going through the new silo. I need to rewatch because that episode was very dark and I had a hard time seeing at times. Overall, liked the episode because it's great being back in this story.

Any idea who the guy at the end was? In that opening sequence with the rebellion in the (now) empty silo, I thought I heard them say something about leaving a guy behind. But I'm not sure who he was.

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I can never remember if we're using spoiler tags or not

Bit of a slow start, but the intensity was ratcheted up that entire episode as she was going through the new silo. I need to rewatch because that episode was very dark and I had a hard time seeing at times. Overall, liked the episode because it's great being back in this story.

Any idea who the guy at the end was? In that opening sequence with the rebellion in the (now) empty silo, I thought I heard them say something about leaving a guy behind. But I'm not sure who he was.

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The subtitles said it was Max Scherzer's descendant.

Yeah, great ending, but a bit of a teaser episode. I'm usually all for one episode per week, but this is the rare occasion where I would have released the first two episodes this week. Oh, well. Still a good hour of TV. Looking forward to catching up with the rest of the cast next week.

Also, no need for spoiler tags. For weekly episodic releases, the rule of thumb has always been episode spoilers are fair game the second an episode airs.

So basically the Silo that Jules made it over to had a successful rebellion while her silo at some point in its history quelled a rebellion. I'm curious to know if these rebellions were completely independent of each other and just the natural progression of society or if something happened that caused all of the silos to simultaneously rebel.

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Yeah, great ending, but a bit of a teaser episode. I'm usually all for one episode per week, but this is the rare occasion where I would have released the first two episodes this week. Oh, well. Still a good hour of TV. Looking forward to catching up with the rest of the cast next week.

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Yep, if you make this season and you know the first episode isnt really going to give an answer, you have to drop 2 episodes for us

One thing I'm wondering is where this path takes her. The bottom of that silo is flooded, so that would seem to rule out going between silos through some door at the bottom.
Will this silo have those suits to go back outside, and similar 'good tape'?
Speaking of the water, didn't whatshisname say the water ended up not being a problem? Wonder if that comes back into play

There is a shot of her in a makeshift scuba suit in one of the trailers.

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There is a shot of her in a makeshift scuba suit in one of the trailers.

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So basically the Silo that Jules made it over to had a successful rebellion while her silo at some point in its history quelled a rebellion. I'm curious to know if these rebellions were completely independent of each other and just the natural progression of society or if something happened that caused all of the silos to simultaneously rebel.

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It seems like storytellers in general assume that society would always go to hell in these situations. I struggle to think of any show of this nature that isn't like Walking Dead, Last of Us, Children of Men, etc. where society gets violent. Hell even Lord of the Flies assumes that we are all violent by nature. Yet a real life version of Lord of the Flies actually occurred and the opposite happened. The teenagers helped each other and thrived.

I can imagine that SOME silos would revolt here and there. But I think that would actually be rare. That instead, most of the time they would be peaceful.

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Hell even Lord of the Flies assumes that we are all violent by nature. Yet a real life version of Lord of the Flies actually occurred and the opposite happened. The teenagers helped each other and thrived.

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Start with Cain & Abel. Or maybe just look at the battle wounds on the corpse of Otzli the Iceman they found in the Alps. Violence is the default norm, especially when numbers increase and resources are short.
Not having an insurrection in a Silo over the span of 100+ years would be surprising.

Small groups may make it with great leadership and camaraderie. (See Shackelton's expedition or the group you describe) Or sometimes it ends up in chaos and murder, like the wreck of the Wager.

It would be cool to see a group not end up in a dystopian nightmare and thrive/succeed. Maybe we need a remake of Gilligan's Island.

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Hell even Lord of the Flies assumes that we are all violent by nature. Yet a real life version of Lord of the Flies actually occurred and the opposite happened. The teenagers helped each other and thrived.

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Start with Cain & Abel. Or maybe just look at the battle wounds on the corpse of Otzli the Iceman they found in the Alps. Violence is the default norm, especially when numbers increase and resources are short.
Not having an insurrection in a Silo over the span of 100+ years would be surprising.

Small groups may make it with great leadership and camaraderie. (See Shackelton's expedition or the group you describe) Or sometimes it ends up in chaos and murder, like the wreck of the Wager.

It would be cool to see a group not end up in a dystopian nightmare and thrive/succeed. Maybe we need a remake of Gilligan's Island.

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Adam and Even is a parable.. neither they, nor their sons actually existed.

And just because there is evidence of violence occurring on somebody 5000 years ago doesn't mean the default nature of civilized people today is violent. In the past, every male native had already killed people in their teenage years, yet most adults today haven't seen a person killed in their entire life. Violent native tribes have been conquered and tamed by more advanced and civilized societies. Our societies have simply evolved over the millennia for the better.

The violent arrest rate in America is only about 150 per 100,000. So in a silo of 10,000 people, that's 15. And since most violent criminals are repeat offenders, that would lower that number even more. Those few violent people would most certainly be subdued and jailed in a silo. Not lead the entire SILO to a revolt.

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Our societies have simply evolved over the millennia for the better.

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Society changes, but the underlying human nature evolves much, much more slowly.
We would be indistinguishable from humans 20K years ago if we grew up in their world.

We are still killers at heart, even if the average American hasn't seen a dead body.
You think the Marines who went into the Pacific had seen many dead bodies or pulled out gold teeth of a dismembered corpse they had just killed in close combat? The collapse of societal norms happens fast in tough times.

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The violent arrest rate in America is only about 150 per 100,000. So in a silo of 10,000 people, that's 15.

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You're seriously equating the arrest rate of the most prosperous & free country in the world to a Silo of oppressed people living like rats in an underground hole for 100 years?

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Our societies have simply evolved over the millennia for the better.

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Society changes, but the underlying human nature evolves much, much more slowly.
We would be indistinguishable from humans 20K years ago if we grew up in their world.

We are still killers at heart, even if the average American hasn't seen a dead body.
You think the Marines who went into the Pacific had seen many dead bodies or pulled out gold teeth of a dismembered corpse they had just killed in close combat? The collapse of societal norms happens fast in tough times.

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Underlying nature evolves much more quickly when a crap-ton of violent people get killed. Just compare Japan pre-WW2 to post-WW2. Before, they were among the most violent societies on the planet today they are among the most peaceful. Why? Because a huge number of their violent types were killed during the war.

And pulling gold teeth during a war where those dudes just killed your buddies is much different than just living together in a huge low-rise silo.

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You're seriously equating the arrest rate of the most prosperous & free country in the world to a Silo of oppressed people living like rats in an underground hole for 100 years?

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The US intentional murder rate is #148 out of 204. Not #1 or #2.. but 148. So yes... it's pretty easy to make that comparison.

My bad.
He's right.
All the bad people on earth are getting killed off, in another 10-20 years we'll all be singing kumbaya because genetic predisposition for violence will be gone. I can't wait!!

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My bad.
He's right.
All the bad people on earth are getting killed off, in another 10-20 years we'll all be singing kumbaya because genetic predisposition for violence will be gone. I can't wait!!

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You are not very smart if you think societies today are as violent as they were 300 years ago.

Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya.

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Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya.

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Be careful what you wish for!

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Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya.

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Today we are singing Kumbaya compared to 300 years ago. Do you doubt this basic fact?