Well, only one of my girls was really moved by "The Constant", and mostly because she's a romantic and tears up whenever love prevails or a baby is born.

We've watched the next two since then, which serve to remind me that Juliet is the worst, and they should have shot her about 15 seconds after they shot Ben Linus (if they would have ever done that)

S4E6 is "The Other Woman" telling more of her time on the island, including boning Goodwin, who must have had a John Mayer sized dong to land both her and his super hot wife Harper.



I have to say I feel better about myself about my courting a woman techniques after watching Ben Linus in action.

He goes with the 3 point system of:

1) Staring so intensely at the side of your face from maybe 18 inches away while you're looking through a microscope.
2) Inviting you to a dinner party, except the party is just you two.
3) Showing you your impaled lover's corpse after a day or so of rotting to remind you that there's a single guy on the island named Ben Linus who's all about you.

That episode is the first for me that gets into the sort of not feeling it territory when there's a showdown between Juliet, Charlotte, and Daniel in the power station, and I found myself thinking, "None of these people are my plane people, I'm not sure I care what happens here." Obviously a show has to add new characters eventually, but I've found myself really despising Juliet this time around.

S4E7 is "Ji Yeon", which very cleverly fooled my girls with the Sun flashfoward to having the baby in Korea and the Jin flashback where you think he's survived as well and is going to meet her, but it's actually years ago delivering the Panda to some Chinese guy's grandson in a different hospital.

Having intensely done their math that Sun is the 6th of the Oceanic 6, they immediately concluded that Jin dies and I'm not going to let them off the hook for that feeling so they can be relieved when he shows back up in Season 5.

Juliet doubles down on being the worst by telling Jin that Sun cheated on him, although how would Jin have learned what "affair" means after a month of English lessons? Regardless, it leads to a very satisfying flash forward of Hurley meeting Sun's baby. It is crazy how much my girls love Hurley. Like sheer delight every time he is on screen.

Hurley is number 1.

There's a reason Hurley became the protector of the island in the end.

We knocked out the last 2 episodes of Season 4 before the 3 part finale yesterday.

The debate of Island Dirty Kate vs. Cleaned up Kate has rage for 20 years and I was always an Island Kate guy ,but had to seriously reconsider during the scene in "Something Nice Back Home" when Jack proposes to her. Good lord.



Jack has his appendix out, which is pretty melodramatic since you know he's not going to die since he's also in the future scenes, and Claire does a hard left, veering into crazy ville by following Christian / MiB into the jungle and deserting Aaron, which I always found to be a really weird plot device and one of my kids is going to absolute hate since she loves Claire.

The second one, Cabin Fever, is one of the best for me during the rewatch, even though it is sort of backwards plot setting with Richard Alpert visiting Locke as a baby and as a child, when he gets super pissed that John picks the wrong items on the test.

You get your first real taste of the fascinating Hurley / Ben dynamic as they talk about Ben killing the Dharma Initiative and later share a candy bar, and a real taste of the weird time dynamic as we see the reverse of events of the doctor showing up dead on the island happening seemingly before he gets killed on the boat.

Locke entering "Jacob's" cabin is super spooky even though I knew what was coming, but still feels like they didn't really know what they were doing with Christian as the MiB at that point, especially Claire's involvement. John saying he has to move the island didn't really register with my kids, I think because it just doesn't make any sense until you see what happens.

THe kids and I knocked out the 3 part Season 4 Finale last night. My least favorite finale of the first 4 seasons. I realized they were hamstrung by the writers' strike and had to cut a bunch of stuff, but felt really uneven. The giant frozen wheel scene really sticks out as a sore thumb for me, edging towards the Jump the Shark line. But it is what it is, and the time travel stuff, especially a lot of Hurley and Sawyer's stuff in 1977 is pretty great.

One of my kids thinks the island is in giant snow globe and they moved it underwater; not a bad theory. They both think Jin is dead, so I'll be keeping my poker face there until at least Friday. My favorite scene by far was the totally forgotten Sayid vs. Keamy fight. Sayid gets to be a bad-ass in every season finale seemingly.

I used to think Desmond was my favorite non-plane character, but after watching Season 4 again, I think it's actually Frank Lapidus. Jeff Fahey is great in every scene he's in. Sawyer dubbing him "Kenny Rogers" is an all-timer.

It's definitely fascinating watching Ben transition from ultimate evil to sort of loose ally / extra vote on doing stuff, but more than anything he's a massive sociopath who lied to everyone he knew about being able to speak to Jacob for all those years, murdered everyone on the boat when he killed Keamy, and murdered Locke out of jealousy - and of course, murdered Jacob.

A really funny visual moment last night is when Faraday takes a boat full of non-main characters in the Zodiac back to the freighter. Both my kids have been well versed in "if we don't know your name, you're probably going to die". Both immediately thought that boat was going to blow up or something, especially once Juliet decided not to go o it.

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Ben will always be my non plane favorite character. There just so much going on with him. Is he truly a bad person, just trying to protect the island, just trying to protect himself? Really well written and perfectly acted.
But it's funny on Desmond, as little screen time as he and Penelope got compared to many others, I always felt like his story line was the heart of the show. It's hard to put into words without writing a book, but basically it perfectly encapsulated longing for home, transition as a person, love in all its forms (his was god and Penny over time), separation, determination and fate, all the recurring themes. And his story lines were always emotional with Penny.

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Ben and Noah from Dark had very similar arcs/trajectories.

Kids and I are four episodes into Season 5, with last night's reveal that Jin is still alive bringing much gladness to their dojo, and immediate scorn of me for letting them think he was dead for about 10 episodes.

The ability to watch different seasons in short order definitely takes away some of the impact of Season 5 for me. Sawyer is really down about missing Kate, but in real time it's been like 2 days since he saw her. But watching it in the 2000s when it was actually on, it was 9-10 months for the audience.

While I will never say no to time travel, the fact that these little leaps they keep taking are to very precise moments in the show that we've already seen is kind of ridiculous. Last night they jump to the night where Locke sees the light in the hatch and Claire gives birth. Sawyer happens to stumble right across Claire and Kate from Season 1.

Lots of good stuff coming up, and an interesting cameo at the end of Season 4 by an actress from one of my two other favorite TV shows of that era. Michelle Forbes plays the Oceanic Airline rep who introduces the Six and hosts their mini press conference. She also plays the fantastic polarizing Admiral Cain in BSG.

I did the same doubletake on my rewatch. But because she was Roe on TNG

For me it was Lynne in 24.

Well one of my Lost-ies is now on double secret probation for a swearing incident and has been left behind - marooned if you will - while the other forges forward with me on Season 5.

"316" and "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" has been viewed in the last 72 hours.

Best Ben LInus joke - he and Jack sitting across the aisle from each other on the Ajira flight. Ben reading a book.
Jack: "How can you read?"
Ben: "My mother taught me."

John's attempted suicide is really well done to make you feel so sad for him. My daughter found it really emotionally unsettling, pretty sure she'd never seen anything like that in a film or show.

Maybe I just can't remember, but Ben appears to genuinely want to help John until he mentions Eloise Hawking helping them back to the island.
Then he goes Smeagol-on-his-birthday beserker rage and kills John. Why is that exactly? Is it because Ben thinks that Eloise is only helping him, but she might be helping Widmore as well? Or does it just further cement that idea that John is the special one, not Ben because now he has the exact same knowledge that she's the key to getting back? I'll admit I don't remember a whole lot of stuff in this season, but that question is perplexing me.

Also I had no idea Lance Reddick (Matthew Abbadon) died last year. Bad heart disease sounds like.

Once your daughter is off probation, and the rest of you are 10 episodes ahead, you know what she's going to say…

We missed the first run of Lost while raising babies, but this thread caused me to start it recently.
Having a good time with it!
Half way through S2, my faves keep changing, but Locke had probably held that label the most.

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Well one of my Lost-ies is now on double secret probation for a swearing incident and has been left behind - marooned if you will - while the other forges forward with me on Season 5.

"316" and "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" has been viewed in the last 72 hours.

Best Ben LInus joke - he and Jack sitting across the aisle from each other on the Ajira flight. Ben reading a book.
Jack: "How can you read?"
Ben: "My mother taught me."

John's attempted suicide is really well done to make you feel so sad for him. My daughter found it really emotionally unsettling, pretty sure she'd never seen anything like that in a film or show.

Maybe I just can't remember, but Ben appears to genuinely want to help John until he mentions Eloise Hawking helping them back to the island.
Then he goes Smeagol-on-his-birthday beserker rage and kills John. Why is that exactly? Is it because Ben thinks that Eloise is only helping him, but she might be helping Widmore as well? Or does it just further cement that idea that John is the special one, not Ben because now he has the exact same knowledge that she's the key to getting back? I'll admit I don't remember a whole lot of stuff in this season, but that question is perplexing me.

Also I had no idea Lance Reddick (Matthew Abbadon) died last year. Bad heart disease sounds like.

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Your posts have inspired me to make my two teenagers start watching it. Watched episode 1 last night and they both enjoyed it. 14 year old is already speculating on what the giant in the woods could be. 16 year old watched Yellowjackets a few weeks ago and he was immediately struck with the similarities in the plots.

That's awesome. Lost has been a really fantastic bonding experience for the 3 of us. My girls, despite being twins, have markedly different viewing habits, so it's been fantastic having them both so into it at the same time. The only other show both have been this gung ho for is Stranger Things.

Some of the cameos are fun though.
Rob Mcelhenny as a rando guard.
Allison Janey in her unique role.
Nathan Fillion, Julie Bowen, Dean Norris (Hank from BB) among others.

The troublemaker got caught up on L0st yesterday and we moved forward to one of the better episodes of Season 5 - LaFleur, a great dual timeline of 1974 and 1977 with the antics of Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Faraday, and Jin finally sticking in time, and then becoming part of Dharma.

Sawyer's improv skills and transformation to leading man are complete here - as he negotiates with Horace, negotiates with Richard Alpert, and becomes the head of security for Dharma, also while adding another kill to his ledger. Sawyer also completes the trifecta of sleeping with Ana Lucia, Kate, and Juliet.


We got to talking about how many people Sawyer killed over the course of the series. i did some research and it was a fairly low # of 5.

Technically, Desmond is the biggest murderer of all, killing 252 people on the flight by not pushing the button, but he didn't mean to kill them.

The Man in Black is credited with 47 kills, followed by Sayid with 17, then a tie between Mr. Eko and Ben Linus at 8 each. I guess Ben doesn't get credit for all of Dharma since the Others helped gas them.

If we're talking quality over quantity, Ben Linus is the GOAT - killing his own dad, Keamy, Caesar, Jacob himself, and Charles Widmore on the island, and Matthew Abaddon and John Locke off it. Technically he killed Michael and everyone else on the freighter by killing Keamy as well.

Also a shoutout to Mikhail, who kills 4 people (including himself) in one episode.
Honorable mention to Ana Lucia for killing 3 people in one episode.

Eko had the most impressive with the two for. Surprising number in total considering his short stint

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Eko had the most impressive with the two for. Surprising number in total considering his short stint

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6 of his 8 were off the island during his crime lord days

We watched "Namaste" last night where Sawyer initiates Hurley, Jack and Kate into the Dharma Initiative in 1977 to keep them safe. In my memory, Sawyer assigned Jack to be a janitor as some sort of FU revenge tactic but rewatching it last night, it is clearly Juliet being incredibly passive-aggressive towards the 3 of them for upsetting her happy life in Dharmaville in a good relationship with James.

She assigns Hurley to be a chef, knowing full well he has a eating disorder. She assigns Kate, who she trusts the least and doesn't want around, to join her in the motor pool where she can keep an eye on her, and Jack to be a damn janitor, knowing it's the least use of his considerable skills and makes him clean up everyone else's trash.

12-year-old Ben is introduced, which means that at least James / Juliet / Miles / Jin know he's there. Do they know he killed all the Dharmas? I'm not sure they do. But fi they did, how long would they not do something?

Kids and I watched 5/13 tonight, the great "Some Like it Hoth" in which Hurley is found to be writing the script to The Empire Strikes Back with "a few improvements" in a Dharma notebook.

A surprise cameo by none other than Agent Hank Schrader in MIles' flashback, looking basically identical to how he would look a few year later on Breaking Bad.

Actually, this episode aired after Breaking Bad was already on TV.

I remember my roommates and I recognizing him from BB when he appeared in this episode.

There was several cross overs. Jack from Breaking Bad was almost unrecognizable from his LOST bad guy. Michael Bowen was the actor.

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The Constant is still in my top 10 all time TV episodes.

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Our next episode up is its sister episode: The Variable