*****CIVIL WAR SPOILERZ THREAD*****

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El Gallo Blanco
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johncAG said:

There's literal a joke about "Portland Maoists" and how little anyone takes them seriously.

Also, saying the left loves the FBI is certainly a take based off history and the amount of movies where the FBI is revealed to be corrupt


I mean modern leftists in upper echelons of govt. the ones who love to use them as a political weapon to take down and hamstring opponents that they view as a threat to power. Although I haven't met a leftist citizen irl or online who is against the actions I have referred to. Because Trump is the bogeyman.
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Lol. Everyone freaking hates the FBI.
Belton Ag
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If I were to become dictator, one of the first things I would do is abolish the FBI. It makes sense to me that it would be included in the movie.
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https://news.gallup.com/poll/402464/government-agency-ratings-cia-fbi-federal-reserve-down.aspx#:~:text=Partisan%20groups%20diverge%20most%20in,is%20doing%20a%20good%20job.

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Partisan groups diverge most in their assessments of the FBI, which 79% of Democrats and 29% of Republicans say is doing a good job.


As for the movie, looking forward to seeing this. Glad my hopes about this being largely non political as it relates to real life looks to be fulfilled.
El Gallo Blanco
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TCTTS said:

They specifically said "the Antifa massacre," with zero other context.

In other words, we have no idea if that meant Antifa was massacred - or - Antifa did the massacring.

Just another example of how Garland went out of his way to stay as apolitical as possible, and let people read what they want to read.


Fair point. While I almost inherently assume the "xxxx massacre" means the massacre of XXX, he did seem to leave that intentionally vague and open to interpretation.
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Interesting, thanks. Those numbers are pretty wild when compared to historical sentiments.

Also interesting that only two govt agencies broke 50% approval with R's: NASA and USPS both with only 51%.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

johncAG said:

There's literal a joke about "Portland Maoists" and how little anyone takes them seriously.

Also, saying the left loves the FBI is certainly a take based off history and the amount of movies where the FBI is revealed to be corrupt


I mean modern leftists in upper echelons of govt. the ones who love to use them as a political weapon to take down and hamstring opponents that they view as a threat to power. Although I haven't met a leftist citizen irl or online who is against the actions I have referred to. Because Trump is the bogeyman.
There are no leftists in the upper echelons of government here. None are willing to alter commerce in any meaningful way. But progressives, yes there are some. Though they're all weak and trail cultural and economic imperatives by quite a bit.
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Not a good look...



jeffk
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AI art is so freaking stupid. They can't have saved enough money to make this a worthwhile approach over just hiring an artist.
El Gallo Blanco
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Ha, it's only gonna get crazier. I would think this would alienate and upset people in Holllywood or Hollywood adjacent who would have loved to work on such a project.
TCTTS
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Exactly.

And yes, AI art like this is only going to get better and more ubiquitous, but in the meantime there are plenty of extremely talented artists who would have done this work for cheap.
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So, and I dislike having to lead with this because it shouldn't matter but apparently it does, but I'm a conservative.

I saw this last night for the second time, and it's a still a tough watch. Brutal. Intense. I cried. More than once.

It takes time to digest, which to me is a hallmark of great art (or perhaps I'm just not that bright).

With that said, I think it's in the top 10 movies I've ever seen. It's MUST see. What it is NOT an ideological hit piece.

Go see it. It's truly a great movie, and what we should be supporting rather than much of the crap we get these days.
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People here are still missing the point. Facism is far right in nature. This is exactly what I mean with people here tossing out left and right wing with out actually understanding what they mean and using them as proxies for republican and democrats. This movie is about facism as said straight from the mouth of the director which is inherently about it being far right.

There can be dictators on the left but facist dictators are far right by definition. So please for ****s sake stop with the far left facist nonsense.
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So then devil's advocate here... What specifically made this president a fascist, versus a dictator or a king or whatever
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Belton Ag
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Velvet Jones said:








None of them are Fascists.
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Hollywood isn't going to make a movie fearmongering about a Leftist dictator, for obvious reasons. "Fascism" is what they're convinced they see in anyone moderately right of center.
Morbo the Annihilator
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Dictators are on the right, right?

The most murderous and evil people in human history are leftists, and it's not debatable.


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Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Sound like anyone who might or might not currently be in office?
Belton Ag
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Dictators can be on the left or right.

There have only been 4 "Fascist" governments in world history: Italy under Mussolini (who developed Fascism), Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan in the 30's & 40's and Spain under Franco (Although he moderated a lot over time and by the end of his rule Spain wasn't really a Fascist state.)

You can go through history and pick and choose dictatorships of all political stripes and see that there are traits that are shared with Fascist governments. But there are traits shared by both modern American political parties, too.

It's a very common trope in modern political life in this country to paint the opposition as "Fascist" or "Communist." It's why I get a chuckle anytime I see someone saying Trump has fascist tendencies, or that Biden is a commie.

El Gallo Blanco
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Velvet Jones said:

So, and I dislike having to lead with this because it shouldn't matter but apparently it does, but I'm a conservative.

I saw this last night for the second time, and it's a still a tough watch. Brutal. Intense. I cried. More than once.

It takes time to digest, which to me is a hallmark of great art (or perhaps I'm just not that bright).

With that said, I think it's in the top 10 movies I've ever seen. It's MUST see. What it is NOT an ideological hit piece.

Go see it. It's truly a great movie, and what we should be supporting rather than much of the crap we get these days.

Agreed...I can't wait to see it again...even though my wife may think I'm crazy if I see such a movie twice by myself late at night in theater in the span of 2-3 weeks . It's hard to fully digest in one viewing imo. I realize some are hesitant because the theme seems too dire and depressing...but for me it was done in such a way that it wasn't really depressing, but more of an action packed dire warning.
El Gallo Blanco
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Belton Ag said:

Dictators can be on the left or right.

There have only been 4 "Fascist" governments in world history: Italy under Mussolini (who developed Fascism), Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan in the 30's & 40's and Spain under Franco (Although he moderated a lot over time and by the end of his rule Spain wasn't really a Fascist state.)

You can go through history and pick and choose dictatorships of all political stripes and see that there are traits that are shared with Fascist governments. But there are traits shared by both modern American political parties, too.

It's a very common trope in modern political life in this country to paint the opposition as "Fascist" or "Communist." It's why I get a chuckle anytime I see someone saying Trump has fascist tendencies, or that Biden is a commie.


Never heard anyone call Biden a commie. I have heard people say that about Obama though...given that he was raised and mentored by actual socialists and communists and does not hide it. He even ran on "fundamental transformation". Who the hell would want to "fundamentally transform" the greatest damn nation to ever exist? An idealogue, who believes there are superior alternate forms of government and who was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, a literal member of the Communist Party USA.
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I finally found a couple of hours to go see this today.

I went in fully expecting the Texas|California team would be the "bad" guys, and the oh-so-wonderful President of the formerly United States would be the "good" guys. They seemed to set the stage different from my expectations right from the start. I thought overall it was about as apolitical a movie as one could have and call it "Civil War" although they did drop enough hints throughout to give you an idea of what led to the events they were going to depict in the movie.

I love that the movie didn't do a whole lot of exposition. They simply followed a group of 4 journalists on a round-about road trip from New York to Washington, D.C. I agree that the female photo-journalists were sociopaths, as someone else described them here. They want the shot, THE SHOT that will define these events, and are willing to cast aside all reasonable measures of safety or concern for their fellow (wo)man to get that shot. I must say that I fully expected the girl to get a head shot, but am actually rather pleased that they subverted expectations and it was Spidey's girlfriend who gets killed (just as she seems to have regained some sense of her own humanity).

I wish there had been a bit more between the dude journalist and the President. I can't even say I understood what he asked him before the soldier blew the President away.

This is a movie that is going to stick with me for a while, unlike a movie like Dune Part II (which was a better movie overall and one that I will rewatch a bunch of times). I will get this Civil War when it comes to digital and watch it again, but I think this will be a bit like The Blair Witch Project, a not-so-mainstream movie that is really well made and plants just enough imagery in one's head that it is damn near impossible to put aside.

Regarding photo-journalists. I wanted to yell at the screen when they were in D.C. - WEAR YOUR F***** KEVLAR HELMETS! I kept expecting head shots on them. Clearly it's a dangerous profession, and generally speaking, worthy of respect.

Robert F. Read snapped this photograph aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise in August 1942. It was a bomb dropped from a Japanese Val dive bomber. This explosion killed Mr. Read, yet it is one of the most famous photographs to come out of World War II.



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I saw "Civil War" today, and I thought it was fantastic. I'm surprised (but I shouldn't be) at all the complaints about the president. They did a great job of making it as apolitical as possible.

I've worked in the news business, and I worked with a bunch of photographers. I'm waiting to see what some of them say about it.

I will say I don't think the women photographers are sociopaths. They are just professionals doing a difficult job and trying not to let it get to them. It's obvious that the older photographer has PTSD, the same as some of the soldiers she's probably covered. Looking through the lens of a camera gives you a false sense of detachment that can help you in the moment, but then you deal with the aftermath later.
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The President said "Please don't kill me." or something along those lines. It was a callback to the older journalist telling the guy who got the quote that the politicians were nothing behind the facade.
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Benecio del Toro said "wait, I need a line." The president looked at him and said, "please don't let them kill me," to which he replied, "that'll do it (or that'll work)."
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Wagner Mora, i think. Not del Toro.

I think Mora was also in Narcos?
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Holy ****, you're right. I thought it was Benecio Del Toro the entire movie. They look similar, and have very similar mannerisms.

Moura wasn't in Sicario, but he was Pablo Escobar in Narcos.
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NukeAg10 said:

Benecio del Toro said "wait, I need a line." The president looked at him and said, "please don't let them kill me," to which he replied, "that'll do it (or that'll work)."
That was friggn Pablo Escobar!!!

Sacrilege.
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Saw it today and really liked it. The sequence with the Sturgill song was A+. Plemons was awesome. All of the main journalist characters were great. As a film photographer who has too many analog cameras I enjoyed seeing an old Nikon being lugged around. The way they tossed in the images to move the scene along was really cool. But it would've felt more realistic if A) she forgot to advance film and went to release the shutter and nothing happened and/or B) given us a 10 second sequence of her trying to load film but the advance mechanism won't take it.

Also, calling BS on being quick enough to have snapped those photos of Kirsten getting shot with a manual camera.
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I saw this movie last night. In the movie they say that there is a western alliance between California and Texas. I've been thinking about this a lot. How is this possible you say? How could two states that are so politically different joined forces? I have the answer even though the movie never goes into it. I believe that Whataburger and In-N-Out Burger joint forces forming the largest fast food company in the United States. They eventually gain military power and power in politics.
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This thread is serving as a good bug light for the rest of the board.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:


Just watched the movie and I couldn't agree more with this trailer.

It was just a circle jerk about holier than thou photojournalists that think they are out to save the world by getting the shot for everyone to see what is really going on. I couldn't buy into these 4 idiots running around flashing their PRESS badges like they meant something. I guess them waltzing into the WH for an interview wasn't all that unbelievable after seeing the 10 guys they had left guarding the president.

It was great from a technical standpoint, but I couldn't buy into the story at all.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:




I'm so glad the rest of the world finally understands the brilliance of "How can that be profitable for Frito Lay?"
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I caught this on MAX this weekend and while I didn't dislike it, it had a lot of issues. It mainly felt disjointed to me. I get that Garland tried to make it apolitical, which I appreciated. It really doesn't matter what side anyone is on for the purposes of this particular story, but the lack of back story makes the plot holes stand out IMO. I didn't get who in the public was benefiting from what the journalists were doing. They felt more like thrill seakers than journalists, which makes the ending fit where Dunst gets shot.

I do think it's an interesting idea for a movie and can appreciate that Garland took a swing at something, but he missed. This feels like something that was shot before it was fully fleshed out, it needed more work IMO. Maybe this should have been a series instead of a film so there was more time to build out the story.

I think it's worth a watch for anyone that thinks they're interested. I would just say it's best with low expectations, which I had going in and why I don't have a strong dislike for it like some do.
 
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