*****SURVIVOR 46 OFFICIAL THREAD*****

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G Martin 87
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Jeff has mentioned before that they like to tweak the rules in order to stay one step ahead of the players. In that vein, I would like to see some changes to the "Shot in the Dark" rule. The effect it seems to have is that the alliances behave like the chance it pays off is 100% instead of about 17%. Yes, the player forfeits that vote, which is a reasonable cost. It just seems like the threat is overvalued.

ETA: OK, so after looking up the history of "Shot in the Dark" here https://survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Shot_in_the_Dark, my impression was totally off. The other players seem to actually undervalue it as a gameplay strategy. For example:
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On the other hand, as is with the case of flushing idols, players may consider inciting paranoia to encourage a "safe" target to play (and waste) their Shot in the Dark, removing their ability to potentially save themselves at a later date.

Given that the Shot in the Dark prevents one from casting a vote, players may strategically "waste" their Shot in the Dark even without any threat of elimination. This presumably prevents them from showing their cards and potentially burning bridges with other tribe members. Players may also turn over their Shot in the Dark to another player as collateral or as a show of trust.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Rudyjax said:

Is shot in the dark in play this season?


Yeah. They mentioned it several times early on as being a concern
They've been really good about keeping the vote quiet.
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WTF Maria? That was brutal
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Interesting that the players seemed to have a high view of Q's potential to win. I kind of had the same thought as he led a lot of the votes in the middle of the game.

Maria's debate on who to take to Pizza Hut was brutal. I can't believe that she thought that was the right way to do it.

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I've never been more certain of anything in my life than I was that it was Q who spelled it "Venise"
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ElephantRider said:

WTF Maria? That was brutal
My guess is that she wanted to bring Q to keep him locked down, but realized she'd made a mistake picking Ben first on the basis of pity. She didn't want to wind up on the reward with two weak players while all the strategic players were together back at camp. I suspect she took a really long time hoping for another meltdown from Liz or for someone else to volunteer not to go like Charlie did. Have to wait for the interviews.
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Quinn said:

Interesting that the players seemed to have a high view of Q's potential to win. I kind of had the same thought as he led a lot of the votes in the middle of the game.

Maria's debate on who to take to Pizza Hut was brutal. I can't believe that she thought that was the right way to do it.




While Survivor has gratefully steered away from its terrible platform of social injustice after a few tainted seasons, at least some of that fear has to be based on race. Q is the only black player left and 3 of the 5 jury members are Soda, Tevin and Tiff, plus Hunter who he had a good alliance with and tried to help save at the end of Hunters time.
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Liz is a whiner. You don't deserve anything. The whole Applebees meltdown was pathetic. Don't sign up if you can't eat what's on the island! The only reason I would keep her around to the final is because she's a very weak player.

I think Q can win if he gets to the final, especially if he wins some immunity challenges and tosses Maria and Charlie. He messed his britches badly and is still in the game. Yeah, Maria brought him along as a tool but he then wins and ousts her at the end.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Quinn said:

Interesting that the players seemed to have a high view of Q's potential to win. I kind of had the same thought as he led a lot of the votes in the middle of the game.

Maria's debate on who to take to Pizza Hut was brutal. I can't believe that she thought that was the right way to do it.




While Survivor has gratefully steered away from its terrible platform of social injustice after a few tainted seasons, at least some of that fear has to be based on race. Q is the only black player left and 3 of the 5 jury members are Soda, Tevin and Tiff, plus Hunter who he had a good alliance with and tried to help save at the end of Hunters time.


What
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Unless those players really don't like LIz, that cruelty is not going to earn you jury votes.

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Maria screwed up and placed the target on her back. Suck her a@@ she won immunity, but she is public enemy #1 right now.

Q- "I shouldn't be here and I ate 23 pieces of pizza"..... Bahahaaaa!!!!

Poor Venise, she just couldn't keep her mouth shut or play it cool..... Survivor 101. However, what did they care? She may have scared them by coming close to winning the Immunity Challenge, but who cares? Keep her around as long as you can and take her to the final. She wasn't going to win.... nobody likes her and she hasn't played a great game.

Liz is a whiny POS..... she is probably so annoying to be around 24/7, but keep her around as long as you can and take her to the final also.

After Maria is gone, they better go after Taylor Swift boy.

Kenzie and Q have to be the favorites right now.
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Maria screwed up and placed the target on her back. Suck her a@@ she won immunity, but she is public enemy #1 right now.

Q- "I shouldn't be here and I ate 23 pieces of pizza"..... Bahahaaaa!!!!

Poor Venise, she just couldn't keep her mouth shut or play it cool..... Survivor 101. However, what did they care? She may have scared them by coming close to winning the Immunity Challenge, but who cares? Keep her around as long as you can and take her to the final. She wasn't going to win.... nobody likes her and she hasn't played a great game.

Liz is a whiny POS..... she is probably so annoying to be around 24/7, but keep her around as long as you can and take her to the final also.

After Maria is gone, they better go after Taylor Swift boy.

Kenzie and Q have to be the favorites right now.
I'd be shocked at this point if the swiftie and Maria didn't win it at this point.

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Maria screwed up and placed the target on her back. Suck her a@@ she won immunity, but she is public enemy #1 right now.

Q- "I shouldn't be here and I ate 23 pieces of pizza"..... Bahahaaaa!!!!

Poor Venise, she just couldn't keep her mouth shut or play it cool..... Survivor 101. However, what did they care? She may have scared them by coming close to winning the Immunity Challenge, but who cares? Keep her around as long as you can and take her to the final. She wasn't going to win.... nobody likes her and she hasn't played a great game.

Liz is a whiny POS..... she is probably so annoying to be around 24/7, but keep her around as long as you can and take her to the final also.

After Maria is gone, they better go after Taylor Swift boy.

Kenzie and Q have to be the favorites right now.


Bingo!

Unless the remaining players are idiots, you have to vote off Maria and Swiftie if they don't get immunity.
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Bringing Venus along to the final is definitely tempting, but her BS outweighs her usefulness. The only thing predictable about her gameplay is that she's constantly looking for ways to blow it all up to get the credit for making a "big move." She's a total wild card every single vote.
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Logos Stick said:

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Maria screwed up and placed the target on her back. Suck her a@@ she won immunity, but she is public enemy #1 right now.

Q- "I shouldn't be here and I ate 23 pieces of pizza"..... Bahahaaaa!!!!

Poor Venise, she just couldn't keep her mouth shut or play it cool..... Survivor 101. However, what did they care? She may have scared them by coming close to winning the Immunity Challenge, but who cares? Keep her around as long as you can and take her to the final. She wasn't going to win.... nobody likes her and she hasn't played a great game.

Liz is a whiny POS..... she is probably so annoying to be around 24/7, but keep her around as long as you can and take her to the final also.

After Maria is gone, they better go after Taylor Swift boy.

Kenzie and Q have to be the favorites right now.


Bingo!

Unless the remaining players are idiots, you have to vote off Maria and Swiftie if they don't get immunity.
That's why I'm really surprised Charlie didn't go with the Q vote last night. Because if he's smart enough to see the Q/Maria problem, he should also be smart enough to see that if takes out Q/Maria at 5 and the other of them at 4, then it's him, Ben, Liz, and Kensey left, and those 3 would be bigger morons than I assume Liz and Ben already are - to let him get past 4.

Take out Q last night and you strand Maria on an island where she now has to be loyal to you and vote the way you want. Then you use that loyalty to take out Kensey at 5 and you and Maria are still alive at 4. As long as she doesn't win immunity at 4, you take her out then because the others are still convinced she's the favorite.
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I think Maria played it fine last night. Once she won the immunity, the target was on her back anyway. It will be interesting to see who decides to go afer each other first, her or Charlie.

Q cracked me up at the pizza party laughing and saying he just ate at a big food challenge and now had consumed 23 pieces of pizza. I wish he would make it to the final just to see it piss off Liz and especially Venus.

As has been said, Liz is such a whiner. As annoying as it is, you want to take her to the final with you.

I was so glad to see Venus booted, especially with the idol in her pocket. She is a special blend of arrogance and cluelessness. A legend in her own mind.

As slow as this season started, these past couple of episoded have been quite entertaining. I still think Maria or Charlie are the odds on favorites. Kenzie is the one they need to get out next, she's the biggest threat to both of them. Whoever wins this next immunity is going to be pivitol in how it all plays out.
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The thing is, Maria could have made a 30-second speech about Liz, picked her, and won her loyalty to the end as well as her vote in the final. Ben won't be loyal, who knows what Q is doing. She missed a real chance to play the sad violin and lock in a jury vote.
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The Porkchop Express said:

The thing is, Maria could have made a 30-second speech about Liz, picked her, and won her loyalty to the end as well as her vote in the final. Ben won't be loyal, who knows what Q is doing. She missed a real chance to play the sad violin and lock in a jury vote.
I don't see how she can turn away a jury vote. There is no way Liz is voting for her.
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If Hunter, Tiff, and Venus all went home with idols in their pocket, does that mean there are now 3 idols out there with only six players left in the game?
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The Porkchop Express said:

If Hunter, Tiff, and Venus all went home with idols in their pocket, does that mean there are now 3 idols out there with only six players left in the game?
Theoretically, but i doubt it. There's probably 1 more added.
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Rudyjax said:

The Porkchop Express said:

If Hunter, Tiff, and Venus all went home with idols in their pocket, does that mean there are now 3 idols out there with only six players left in the game?
Theoretically, but i doubt it. There's probably 1 more added.
Could be like that time on Heroes / Villains where they played like 2 at once - JT gave it to Russell who gave it to Parvati who used it to vote out JT

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Did Q and Maria really think that the three players that hated Q were going to vote for Charlie??

Feels like Maria has done a lot of damage to her social game the last two weeks, but she's still got to be the favorite to win.

Would a Kenzie/Ben/Liz final tribal be the worst final 3? Or the Gabler one?

I think Charlie or Maria take it 9-0. One of them will likely be able to win final four immunity or fire.

I would rank them
1. Maria
2. Charlie
Big gap
3. Kenzie
Huuuuuuuuge gap
4. Ben
5. Liz
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Quinn said:

Did Q and Maria really think that the three players that hated Q were going to vote for Charlie??

Feels like Maria has done a lot of damage to her social game the last two weeks, but she's still got to be the favorite to win.

Would a Kenzie/Ben/Liz final tribal be the worst final 3? Or the Gabler one?

I think Charlie or Maria take it 9-0. One of them will likely be able to win final four immunity or fire.

I would rank them
1. Maria
2. Charlie
Big gap
3. Kenzie
Huuuuuuuuge gap
4. Ben
5. Liz
LIz IS not going to vote for Maria.

Her Rock/Paper/Scissors were cold as hell.

Most deserving:
Charlie/Maria






Kenzie
Ben
Liz

Kenzie can win it as everyone likes her.

And I"m pretty sure Venus hinted at Charlie winning.

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This season will be known as, "Survivor - Idiots of Plenty!"
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The Porkchop Express said:

I've never been more certain of anything in my life than I was that it was Q who spelled it "Venise"
Blue parachute for you, good sir.
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Wow!!!!! Another idiot voted out w/ an Idol in their pocket. Plenty of Idols this season, but none have been played.

Yes, Maria has screwed her game up over the past couple of weeks. How could she not think that Charlie was coming for her and that everyone would vote him over Q? Also, what is with all the crying.... didn't she cry twice this episode? Now, Charlie knows she's coming after him.

Is Liz on the spectrum? Man, she is just goofy as hell. As I said before, she has to be very annoying to hang around 24/7, but you want to take her to Final.

WTF Ben?!?!? Writing his No. 1's name down? He's a loser and hasn't done anything in the game... you definitely want to take him to the Final.

The problem for the 3 misfits is that Maria and Charlie are left in the Final 5. The problem is Maria and Charlie are Challenge Beasts. if Maris wins Immunity; Charlie is gone. If Charlie wins; Maria is gone. That still leaves one of them left in the Final 4. If the 3 can get them (Maria / Charlie) out and get to the Final (Kenzie, Liz, Ben), then Kenzie has to be the favorite.

Get your popcorn.... It should be a good finale.

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And Liz, Ben, and Kenzie are terrrrrrible at the immunity challenges. Hard to think that they would beat Maria or Charlie (whoever is left) in the Final immunity challenge.
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Question: Do they doll these people up? Seems like the ladies are pretty well groomed for being stranded on a desert island for 20+ days? (it looked like Kenzy had eye shadow on; Maria looked fresh; Liz..... well).

They just don't look as haggard as in the early seasons.
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39 vs 26 days. The game isn't as long now.
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I'm pretty sure Kenzie has island beauty tricks.
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How Q didn't play his idol is crazy. Play it and he would've had a good shot at winning a challenge after. And how did Maria not tell Q "Play you dang idol!!" after Charlie and others were telling her they were voting Q. That would've taken care of Charlie w 2 votes.
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He got blinded by the Idol... he figured that he was in the Final 4 when Maria won her Immunity..... why he didn't think everybody was still after him (especially LIz), I'll never know?
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Yep, Maria made her first significant misstep last night and it's likely going to cost her the game. She should have known the others weren't going to vote Charlie out over the hated Q and just told him to play his idol. Now she's on an island by herself and has given Charlie and the others every reason to go after her next week. Her only hope is winning immunity.

Either way, either her or Charlie is out next, then Kenzie will rally Liz and Ben to take out Charlie/Maria after that unless they win their way to the final with immunity. Last night bumped Kenzie's odds of winning up significantly IMO. This is shaping up to be the most underwhelming final three in Survivor history.

It's amazing how all these players are going out with an idol in their pocket. They're looking just far enough ahead in the game that they're missing the snare right in front of them. It's like they've never watched Survivor.

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They were stupid to keep Charlie. They are thinking with their feelings.

After seeing what happened with the 3 other idols, Q decided to keep his idol in his pocket. Dumb!

Liz is worthless. She'll probably win it though because they feel sorry for her.

Maria deserves it imo but unless she gets immunity she's gone.
 
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