*** WINNING TIME *** (Season 2)

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https://www.reddit.com/r/WinningTime/comments/169i8xr/footage_of_the_actual_pat_rileyjerry_west_presser/
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Thanks for posting the real pics/footage. What a crazy situation, and it's even more insane looking back knowing how wildly successful they were despite stumbling into it.

Brody is killing the Riley role. His outburst to the team, Magic and the team responding, and the Grease needle drop were so well played.
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Love this show. What a great episode. Brody is killing it playing Pat Riley. I grew up an NBA fan in the 90s so I wasn't fully aware on the Lakers run during the 80s. It's crazy how it went down with Pat Riley and how he started the Dynasty.
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Grease theme song was brilliant with Riley slicking back the hair.
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It's weird how this show tries to go to great lengths to appear accurate, but then they slander the crap out of Jerry West. It makes the slander that much worse, as a lot more casual viewers will assume Jerry West was really like that, because they will assume the show is accurate across the board.
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Personally I think the "McKay-isms" can be a bit much.

"Yes, this really happened."

Totally unnecessary. We don't need that every episode.
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Fantastic episode. It started a little slow and when it looked like the Magic Cookie show I was starting to get worried but the proposal was actually surprisingly touching. They actually landed that plane.

The alternating speeches by Red and Buss were excellent…loved it.

Everybody is killing it right now and I wish there were more episodes.

Can't wait for Sunday!
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I thought the latest episode was a snooze and a downer until, ironically, Kareem's house burned down. Everything took off from there starting with Cap's speech in the locker room. I loved his realization about the difference he and the team made to people. The passions that rest on their soldiers. It is nonsensical and silly, but if you really love and care about a team, it's totally true (as too many of us are feeling this weekend after another Aggie football heartbreak).

It's all building up to what should be an outstanding finale. Hope they give us plenty of behind the scenes back and forth with both teams. The rivalry story is at its best when they give us more Larry. Would like to get a little of the other players, too. Even Coach KC Jones would be a nice addition. Heck, the average viewer probably thinks Red is the Celtic coach.

Looking forward to next Sunday, and hoping we get a few more seasons after.

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That episode kinda felt like reading Wikipedia. But yeah I agree it picked up after Cap's speech.

Best thing about that episode is that we're [hopefully] done with the Cookie storyline, and finally getting into the Lakers vs Celtics.

So do we only get 7 episodes this season?
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Yup, next week is it.
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During the scene tonight at Kareem's house in his kitchen, his agent looked so familiar. I quickly figured out who reminded me of, but I thought no way that's him. This dude is way too old, and frankly, way too fat.

Still, I looked up the actor just in case, and no Winning Time in his IMDb credits. Ok, good, because that would have been insane if the guy in this scene was actually him.

But the more I watched the scene, the more I couldn't shake it, so I went to Twitter, searched the actor's name, and sure enough, to my horror...

Kareem's agent was played by none other than Jay freaking Mohr.

27 years after Mohr's infamous turn as agent/snake Bob Sugar in Jerry Maguire.

And yet, as crazy as that was, it had nothing on what I learned next. Because, a week ago...

JAY MOHR MARRIED JEANNIE BUSS


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Seriously, though, good for them.

As for the episode/season itself, I'm of two minds. Last week's episode was incredible, as was the final 20 minutes or so of tonight's episode. I also of course loved season one, and have enjoyed stretches of this season as well. But man, this season as a whole has to be one of the most weirdly paced seasons of television I've ever seen. To go from a ten-episode TV season that covers just one season of basketball, to a seven-episode TV season that covers three seasons of basketball is too much of a leap for me. I have no problem with them condensing events/basketball seasons, especially if not screen-worthy. Yet it still feels like multiple episodes have been skipped over this season, and that certain events could have been drawn out just an episode or two more. IMO, we could have started and ended the season in the same places, just with more filler, and more of a natural flow of events across these three basketball seasons.
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Oh, and one other weird meta nugget this episode...

- DeVaughn Nixon of course plays his own father, Norm Nixon.

- DeVaughn Nixon was born in July 1983, to Norm Nixon and Lena Pleasant.

- Around the same time, or soon after, Norm Nixon started dating Debbie Allen. (They would marry a year later, and have now been together for 39 years.)

- Norm Nixon was traded to the Clippers in October 1983.

In other words, in tonight's episode, during the scene at the night club, DeVaughn Nixon was portraying his own father, rubbing up on his own stepmother, three months after his own birth, in the wake of his father (presumably) leaving his mother to be with his soon-to-be stepmother.
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Holy crap. Norm Nixon is Dyson's kid from T2.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Holy crap. Norm Nixon is Dyson's kid from T2.


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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Holy crap. Norm Nixon is Dyson's kid from T2.


Remember he played Whitney Houston's kid in The Bodyguard as well.




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I thought that was Jay Mohr when I first saw him.
But then I was like, nah, he's way too big. Nevermind.
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I wish he would have told Kareem "Hey, I haven't seen you since we were with that stripper in Laguna Beach. You remember her name? Because I do, it was April. That's my job, to remember the names of skanks you bang on the road."

Actually he needs to say it James Worthy, that would be epic.
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A classic TCTTS post!
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So the montage at the end made it seem like there won't be a Season 3.
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Why! I thought they'd "circle back" to the scene from the first episode. This is bs.
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Lebron can't hold Kareem's jock strap.
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TCTTS said:



First Perry Mason, now this. HBO can suck it.
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LawHall88 said:

So the montage at the end made it seem like there won't be a Season 3.
Sure seemed like it. Such a shame cuz the third season could have been amazing.
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I got chills about the Kobe Bryant info. For all the *****ing from the West family he was redeemed. But I loved his portrayal in this series.
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TCTTS said:


Hey TCTTS, I'll admit to not following the strike very closely and I sincerely do not want to turn this into some political thing. But is this 'blaming the strike' excuse real? And if it is, how much good content might we lose because of it?

(Just feels a little convenient for them to blame the strike.)
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It's really not if you think about it. House of the Dragon is a bigger franchise. I love this series but it's a niche
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Started the episode with a big grin on my face when they broke out the classic spinning-silver HBO logo & theme.

An hour later, that smile flipped the moment they started that weak montage and post-script covering the next 40 years in 60 seconds. A series called "Winning Time" would end with the Lakers suffering perhaps their most devastating defeat.

No epic 1985 rematch.
No 1986 Rockets upset at the hands of a young Hakeem.
No 1987 redemption.
No Magic & Larry spending time at the Bird farm shooting a Converse commercial, discovering (much to Larry's horror) that they were actually kindred spirits who liked one another.
No emergence of Jordan, who would take the torch from Larry & Magic and elevate the league to even bigger heights.
Lastly, no Magic facing the shock of his diagnosis, everything that came with it, and the ultimate victory of 30+ years of unprecedented success post his playing days.

So disappointing. Whether it was the strike, low viewership, or just bad timing, all that really matters is that we have been robbed of what was a really compelling piece of entertainment, and I believe it's a sad thing.
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Txmoe said:

TCTTS said:


Hey TCTTS, I'll admit to not following the strike very closely and I sincerely do not want to turn this into some political thing. But is this 'blaming the strike' excuse real? And if it is, how much good content might we lose because of it?

(Just feels a little convenient for them to blame the strike.)


More than anything, like they said, it was a viewership issue. And while the strike certainly contributed to that, there's no way it was the main culprit. Sure, cast appearances on talk shows, after shows, social media, podcasts, etc would have certainly helped. But seeing as there are no huge stars on the show, and the biggest ones aren't active on social media, the podcast circuit, etc, I don't think it would have mattered all that much.

Rather, for the life of me, I can't understand why they premiered the second season of a basketball show in late summer, with half its episodes airing directly opposite Sunday Night Football. This should have been a spring series, no question, with way more fanfare in the lead up than we got. Instead, it just kind of felt like an afterthought, dumped during the exact wrong time of the year.
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Still haven't seen the finale for myself, though. About to dive in (now that SNF is over).
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Yup, the beginning got me right in the member berries but at the end when it was apparent this was truly the end I was disappointed to say the least.

It was just getting good, what a jip, as Vincent Vega said to Mia Wallace.
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This whole show was incredibly weirdly paced. And I know it's probably not their fault since they weren't expecting to get cancelled, but this finale is a perfect example of that. It's an incredibly unsatisfying conclusion to this series.

To go from the game 7 loss to that randomly thrown in scene of Jerry and Jeanie (which felt like it was filmed and thrown in after the cancellation), and then describing all the future championships in the credits.

Just sucks that we never really got to see the real showtime Lakers they were actually building towards.

Oh well.
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