BadMoonRisin said:

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Big Al 1992 said:

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*should have been more than 1 episode, zero highlights of Cotton Bowl, 2013 season except Rice game, could've shown the Auburn horse collar/the Mizzou hurt leg then come back out and throw a touchdown/ChickFilA Bowl highlights vs Duke

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I was thinking the same thing. And they didnt show the LA Tech game that was a shootout because our defense was getting torched by Quinton Patton and he basically put the entire team on his shoulders to win that game.

One of my favorite JFF plays is when he hands off to Williams on the 1 yard line, the ball is knocked loose and recovered by La Tech and Johnny sees what happens, chases the dude down the field and knocks the ball loose at 20 yards shy of a touchdown.

And the lack of cotton bowl footage was sad too. That was a great game and pure Johnny. Showed his grit and his desire to win at all costs.

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Yeah, this show wasn't so much about his greatness, but more about the off the field drama/bad boy aspect. i share your wishes though...so much more they could have shown to highlight what a college legend he was, from a fan perspective.

2012 and 2013 seasons could've each been their own episode.

I was waiting for this pic to show up.

I laughed out loud when this played.

Big Al 1992 said:

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Reposting my take from Premium board

Lots of thoughts
*actually got emotional watching highlights of 2012 for the 1000th time
*smiling at the JFF reference
*Looch was fantastic!
*should have been more than 1 episode, zero highlights of Cotton Bowl, 2013 season except Rice game, could've shown the Auburn horse collar/the Mizzou hurt leg then come back out and throw a touchdown/ChickFilA Bowl highlights vs Duke
*more high school highlights
*interviews w OL, Evans, Swope, other teammates
*he actually had some success in NFL, he was supposed to start against Pittsburgh on Monday Night Football and was benched/suspended right before

Couple things had me scratching my head
*I don't believe the for sale sign story - yes that's SEC legend that coaches get for sale signs in their yard - but hardly anyone knew Johnny that well after game 1, let alone where he lived AND I remember most Ags after that game being very excited about this amazing freshman that almost beat Florida. That's not a thing Aggies do.
*didn't show full 2012 season and showed record of 7-2 then just quit counting - no finish of 11-2 season with Cotton Bowl ending.

Overall it was pretty great - will prob watch it 4 or 5 times - ending was pretty much spot on - feels unfinished because Johnny's story is unfinished.

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Ha, yeah, this was the one time I raised an eyebrow. That absolutely did not happen. I've mentioned this before, but my family has a house one street over from where Johnny lived, we literally saw him walking home after the Florida game - it took someone who used to work in the athletic department to even point him out - and it wasn't until a week or two later that we learned which house was his/that he lived a block away. No one knew anything about him back then, much less where he lived. And yeah, we were all stoked as hell after that game, even in a loss. In fact, here's what I posted on Premium in that regard, coming up on a year ago...

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September 8, 2012.

Our first game in the SEC.

Where a 19-year-old kid named Johnny Manziel got his first start, against Florida, playing with a fire unlike any quarterback I'd seen an Aggie uniform. The way he moved - and the way our offense moved with him running it - just felt different, and electric, even in a (close) loss.

After we got back from the game, some family and friends hung out on the front porch of my parents' house, near the south side of campus, more excited after a loss than we'd ever been. A friend of ours, who used to work in the athletic department, then noticed someone walking alone down the street. "I think that was Johnny Manziel," she said. We later learned that he lived just a street over and was almost assuredly walking home after the game. Another family friend then added, "That's probably the last time he'll ever be able to go anywhere without being noticed." Then my dad piped up, taking it a step further…

"Mark my words. He's gonna win the Heisman this year."

We all busted out laughing and I explained that yes, Johnny was exciting to watch, but it was *one* game - a loss at that - and there was absolutely no way a no-name redshirt freshman from A&M was going to win the Heisman that year. "Just watch," he said.

I don't know how my dad nailed that one, but obviously, he did.

In just three months time, Johnny would somehow go from a kid walking home alone after his first start, nearly unrecognized, to a superstar who, for a brief moment, was legitimately up there in popularity with LeBron and Tiger. Hell, I even remember Johnny doing the Top Ten on Letterman that December, right after winning the Heisman, and Letterman's first guest, soon-to-be-Oscar-winner Anne Hathaway, exclaiming to Dave, "Johnny Football!" Even Catwoman was smitten. I had friends here in L.A., who never watched college football, excitedly saying they were going to watch every A&M game next season. And some of them actually did.

It was absolutely insane. And so damn fun.

In fact, we could win it all in the next couple of years and I honestly don't know if it would be as fun or as memorable as Johnny made that 2012 season. I hope I'm wrong, but it was that much of a thrill ride and that much of a phenomenon.

Granted, after the Florida game, the very next weekend, when Johnny went off against SMU (4 passings TDs, 2 rushing TDs), my dad excitedly called me at the half, yelling, "He's Houdini! He's Houdini!" He was over the moon, proclaiming, "That's what his nickname's gonna be! Houdini!" I told him they're already calling him "Johnny Football," to which he confidently assured me, "That won't stick. I'm telling you, it's gonna be Houdini."

So my dad's not *that* clairvoyant.

But man, what a season. What a once-in-a-lifetime talent.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I laughed out loud when this played.

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Same. I had somehow totally forgot about this, but man I cracked up when it came rushing back.

But they didn't disclose who first named him Johnny Football!

Does your dad have good stock picks?

Had a co-worker tell me in our zoom this morning that he was watching the doc last night. (I live and work in Florida.)

I wish.

That's awesome. I'm seeing so many people in the sports world raving about it online. I said it earlier, but I think it's going to do crazy good numbers for Netflix.

MsDoubleD81 said:

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But they didn't disclose who first named him Johnny Football!

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I thought I heard someone yell Johnny Football at one of his high school game. Most likely Netflix recorded an intern to yell "Johnny Football" in the studio and then added the audio to the video clip.

For me, I strongly associate the 2013 season with when I first moved to New York. I moved there in the summer, and JFF was obviously already a phenomenon. But I worked with people, some not even from this country, who were all in on Manziel and wanted to watch the A&M games with me. Went out to bars pretty much every game that season, and had a blast every game. Even for the losses.

Watched the Bama game at the A&M NYC watch party, and that was a ton of fun. Especially once JFF started going full JFF and nearly pulled out the miracle.

This play in particular had the whole bar going wild.



And then me and a buddy watched the bowl game on New Year's Eve, just two blocks from Times Square. We didn't want to deal with the crowd so we just walked over there after midnight once it had emptied out, and we'd pulled out the win.

Just a great time to be an Aggie.

Can't believe they didn't talk about him being hungover at the bowl game vs Duke and how he slammed some fireball at halftime to get it going.

I'm not saying the For Sale sign story is true but I seem to remember hearing that at the time so if it is made up it was made up back in 2012.

Interesting. Maybe some assh*le students knew where he lived back then? Or maybe there were some disgruntled losers who were stilled pissed about him getting arrested a few weeks prior?

All I know is that the overwhelming vibe after that game was A) holy crap we almost beat Florida in our first ever SEC game, when everyone expected us to get blown out, and B) that Manziel kid played with such a fire, the offense moved like never before, etc. Even in a loss, everyone I knew, at least, was excited and hopeful for the future.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I laughed out loud when this played.

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I was really hoping to find out he nailed this lady.

RealTalk said:

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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But they didn't disclose who first named him Johnny Football!

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I thought I heard someone yell Johnny Football at one of his high school game. Most likely Netflix recorded an intern to yell "Johnny Football" in the studio and then added the audio to the video clip.

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I thought he had a different nickname in high school, and he didn't really like the JFF name his freshman year.

Everyone knows Barnes created the JFF nickname.

There may have been a "For Sale" sign put there by some ******* trying to be cute, but yeah... yard covered with "For Sale" signs simply didn't happen.

It was our first game of the year coming off of a 7-6 season, our first SEC game, we weren't ranked (and Florida was #24), and we had a freshman QB that went 23 for 30 with no INT's and a rushing TD.

A third of the people in that stadium couldn't have told you who Johnny Manziel was, much less where he lived.

No one was really all upset after that game, and the ones that were weren't mad at the freshman QB who played pretty well.

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Interesting. Maybe some assh*le students knew where he lived back then? Or maybe there were some disgruntled losers who were stilled pissed about him getting arrested a few weeks prior?

All I know is that the overwhelming vibe after that game was A) holy crap we almost beat Florida in our first ever SEC game, when everyone expected us to get blown out, and B) that Manziel kid played with such a fire, the offense moved like never before, etc. Even in a loss, everyone I knew, at least, was excited and hopeful for the future.

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I sat next to Hunter Goodwin at the SMU game a week later in Dallas and I specifically remember having a discussion with him early in the game debating whether or not Johnny was going to be "the guy" or if Showers should be QB1. Now by the end of that game I don't think that was in question anymore.

Proposition Joe said:

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Thought it was very well done. Was a little scared when in the first 5 minutes it had a lot of corps scenes and then a bunch of old white donors glad handing JFF at the banquet...

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Two of the people shown are my parents and they aren't old white donors and I can assure you never gave him any money to sign autographs. That's just what inductees do at the Burgess Banquet every year.

And why would a lot of corps scenes at the beginning scare you?

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There may have been a "For Sale" sign put there by some ******* trying to be cute, but yeah... yard covered with "For Sale" signs simply didn't happen.

It was our first game of the year coming off of a 7-6 season, our first SEC game, we weren't ranked (and Florida was #24), and we had a freshman QB that went 23 for 30 with no INT's and a rushing TD.

A third of the people in that stadium couldn't have told you who Johnny Manziel was, much less where he lived.

No one was really all upset after that game, and the ones that were weren't mad at the freshman QB who played pretty well.

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I knew where he lived, but only because my friend's son was in 5th grade and one of his classmates knew!

We may or may not have driven by on a couple occasions! LOL

johnnyblaze36 said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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Thought it was very well done. Was a little scared when in the first 5 minutes it had a lot of corps scenes and then a bunch of old white donors glad handing JFF at the banquet...

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Two of the people shown are my parents and they aren't old white donors and I can assure you never gave him any money to sign autographs. That's just what inductees do at the Burgess Banquet every year.

And why would a lot of corps scenes at the beginning scare you?

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I didn't imply anything actually nefarious was going on at the banquet - but my fear was that the documentary was going to take an angle that A&M brass and fans all profited off of Johnny but really didn't care about him post-A&M. A lot of "hey thanks for making me a lot of money and making our school a lot of money, good luck to you hope you don't end up selling cars!".

And a lot of the corps scenes at the beginning would scare me as the media tends to paint Texas A&M as a far right conservative "military" school when the corps is actually a fairly small % of the student body these days.

Will the next episode feature that cat he saved on Welburn?

Know Your Enemy said:

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I'm not saying the For Sale sign story is true but I seem to remember hearing that at the time so if it is made up it was made up back in 2012.

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I vaguely remember this too from premium board back then, and being perplexed because I thought he was exciting to watch, and we actually stood toe to toe with Florida, and almost won. It made no sense at the time, but I chalked it up to idiot hooligans with zero football IQ.

I do remember being at a bar in Houston for the Ole Miss game and people were screaming to "pull him!!!" for "running around too much". I think it took a lot of people a little while to be able to just sit back and enjoy the ride. I think the Miss State game was the turning pt for a lot of people.

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TCTTS said:

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Interesting. Maybe some assh*le students knew where he lived back then? Or maybe there were some disgruntled losers who were stilled pissed about him getting arrested a few weeks prior?

All I know is that the overwhelming vibe after that game was A) holy crap we almost beat Florida in our first ever SEC game, when everyone expected us to get blown out, and B) that Manziel kid played with such a fire, the offense moved like never before, etc. Even in a loss, everyone I knew, at least, was excited and hopeful for the future.

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I sat next to Hunter Goodwin at the SMU game a week later in Dallas and I specifically remember having a discussion with him early in the game debating whether or not Johnny was going to be "the guy" or if Showers should be QB1. Now by the end of that game I don't think that was in question anymore.

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I remember acting a fool on Premium for the first quarter or so of that game. We could not block for sh** and we looked horrible offensively for quite a chunk of the first half if I remember correctly. And then, things started to click and it was a magic show.

You can't box Johnny in and make him run your offense. He's an improv artist that wasn't meant to follow a script.

Von's story

https://instagram.com/stories/vonmiller/3165263566348675142

the very first third and long in the florida game and i was extremely stunned and excited. that was the fastest 16 yards i had ever seen covered in my life, and you could tell the UF guys were looking around thinking the same thing.

then the TD that barely got called back and i knew we had something beyond special.

i came home and told my wife about it, predicting that he would be the best QB A&M had ever had, and that it would not be close.

she secretly went out and bought a signed football... still to this day the only signed sports anything i've ever owned. My birthday gift, saving up for my birthday.... aaaaaaand that came around right about Heisman night.

Fair enough.

Manziel was a lot of fun to watch but the Browns are the worst managed team not surprisingly their due diligence was lacking.

Arrakis ecologist said:

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Will the next episode feature that cat he saved on Welburn?

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i cringed when they showed his press conference because I remember the first question ever was Brent Z asking about the cat. "Hey Johnny…how's the cat?"

Favorite behind the scenes reveals:

-uncle Nate was the source for oil money myth

-hungover for Miss st game

-piss test drama at the combine / the 4th string QB used to pee for him / agent had his dad fake a hospital visit to distract the media and let him leave early

-tried to impress the Texans owner but was found shirt off cussing drunk at golf course the next day

-he thought he would be taken by the cowboys after he slid passed the top 10…I wish they had corroborated the story of how Jerry allegedly was tackled by his son trying to send in a card for Johnny in the cowboys draft room

-browns day with no WRs to run routes

-kept signing autographs the whole time even after suspension with no intention of returning to A&M for junior year

cbr said:

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the very first third and long in the florida game and i was extremely stunned and excited. that was the fastest 16 yards i had ever seen covered in my life, and you could tell the UF guys were looking around thinking the same thing.

then the TD that barely got called back and i knew we had something beyond special.

i came home and told my wife about it, predicting that he would be the best QB A&M had ever had, and that it would not be close.

she secretly went out and bought a signed football... still to this day the only signed sports anything i've ever owned. My birthday gift, saving up for my birthday.... aaaaaaand that came around right about Heisman night.

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So, what you're saying is that your wife is the cause of Johnny's downfall....

That's something I remember doing was after he'd pull off something amazing: I'd look back at the defensive line with their hands in the air in disbelief blaming each other.

My takeaway from the documentary is that Kliff Kingsbury looks like ****. Hell, it's only been 10-11 years. He looks rough.