Just got the email today. Right now, my in-laws and my sister are on my account. If I turn on the "transfer profile" does anyone know if it sends them some sort of notification next time they try to watch Netflix? That they need to set up their own account? Or will they just continue to log in as normal, and then suddenly I'm hit with an extra $7.99 bill each month? It's not clear to me how that works, even after reading FAQs.

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It also reminds me of the time I got my hands on marketing and realizing how utterly pointless and useless marketing metrics are. Click through rates, impressions, etc. It's all bullsh^t and means nothing. None of it can be tied to revenue for the vast majority of companies.

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Yup you're right, marketing means nothing. Start a new business and just wait for the money to start rolling in.

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It also reminds me of the time I got my hands on marketing and realizing how utterly pointless and useless marketing metrics are. Click through rates, impressions, etc. It's all bullsh^t and means nothing. None of it can be tied to revenue for the vast majority of companies.

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Yup you're right, marketing means nothing. Start a new business and just wait for the money to start rolling in.

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To clarify, if you are spending a bunch of money on your digital marketing efforts and can't tie that to revenue, then you have no idea if it's effective.

Click through rates and a variety of other marketing metrics we tracked were completely meaningless. I killed it, improved our profitability immediately, and saw no drop off in growth.

Guess I was just ahead of the curve on this recent profitability trend.

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I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Are you saying all streaming services should be free? Are you saying Netflix is responsible for your oversubscription of streaming services?

We're talking about entertainment, which is not a natural right nor necessary to survive. It is very simple, pay for it if you want it, don't pay for it if you don't.

Or go get a hobby.

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I have considered ditching all of our streaming services since picking up guitar! As long as I can watch guitar stuff on YouTube I'm fine, and I don't need a subscription for that!

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Once you get a taste of YouTube Premium you'll never go back

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Elaborate please.

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I watch a ton of youtube. No ads, being able to listen to audio when your screen is locked, and being able to download videos for offline viewing is what i like it for.

Also, creators get a larger chunk of money from Youtube Premium views than they do from normal youtube ad revenue.

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Just got the email today. Right now, my in-laws and my sister are on my account. If I turn on the "transfer profile" does anyone know if it sends them some sort of notification next time they try to watch Netflix? That they need to set up their own account? Or will they just continue to log in as normal, and then suddenly I'm hit with an extra $7.99 bill each month? It's not clear to me how that works, even after reading FAQs.

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Also got the email and it's also unclear.

As a Product Manager, come on Netflix! A coworker's wife is a software engineer at Netflix so maybe I'll ask him what the deal is.

On an unrelated note, he actually gets to view Netflix content early since his wife works there. Said there is just a watermark on the screen with her email if it's a show that is not out yet.

The sad part is that a comm this important probably came from, or at a minimum was reviewed by senior management, and reviewed by lawyers, marketing, maybe even customer care…and they still messed it up.

After reading the email and their Help section this part is very clear to me:

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Your Netflix account is for you and the people you live with your household.

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A Netflix Household is a collection of your Netflix devices connected to the internet at the main place you watch Netflix. A Netflix Household can be set using a TV device. Devices that use your Netflix account on the same internet connection as this TV will automatically be part of your Netflix Household.

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So, your Netflix account is basically your primary household and all devices that are on the same internet connection.

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You can easily watch Netflix on the go and when you travel either on your personal devices or a TV at a hotel or vacation home.

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How? There is no mention of how to do this and this seems completely contradictory to the opening statement on households.

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I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Are you saying all streaming services should be free? Are you saying Netflix is responsible for your oversubscription of streaming services?

We're talking about entertainment, which is not a natural right nor necessary to survive. It is very simple, pay for it if you want it, don't pay for it if you don't.

Or go get a hobby.

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I have considered ditching all of our streaming services since picking up guitar! As long as I can watch guitar stuff on YouTube I'm fine, and I don't need a subscription for that!

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Once you get a taste of YouTube Premium you'll never go back

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Elaborate please.

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I watch a ton of youtube. No ads, being able to listen to audio when your screen is locked, and being able to download videos for offline viewing is what i like it for.

Also, creators get a larger chunk of money from Youtube Premium views than they do from normal youtube ad revenue.

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What's the cost?

If I remember correctly, Hulu did this by making you log in on the home network at least once per month.

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After reading the email and their Help section this part is very clear to me:

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Your Netflix account is for you and the people you live with your household.

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What is a household?

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A Netflix Household is a collection of your Netflix devices connected to the internet at the main place you watch Netflix. A Netflix Household can be set using a TV device. Devices that use your Netflix account on the same internet connection as this TV will automatically be part of your Netflix Household.

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So, your Netflix account is basically your primary household and all devices that are on the same internet connection.

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You can easily watch Netflix on the go and when you travel either on your personal devices or a TV at a hotel or vacation home.

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How? There is no mention of how to do this and this seems completely contradictory to the opening statement on households.

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I have two kids at A&M and I sometimes take an Apple TV with us on vacation. Not sure how we'll be impacted.

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It also reminds me of the time I got my hands on marketing and realizing how utterly pointless and useless marketing metrics are. Click through rates, impressions, etc. It's all bullsh^t and means nothing. None of it can be tied to revenue for the vast majority of companies.

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Yup you're right, marketing means nothing. Start a new business and just wait for the money to start rolling in.

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To clarify, if you are spending a bunch of money on your digital marketing efforts and can't tie that to revenue, then you have no idea if it's effective.

Click through rates and a variety of other marketing metrics we tracked were completely meaningless. I killed it, improved our profitability immediately, and saw no drop off in growth.

Guess I was just ahead of the curve on this recent profitability trend.

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Appreciate the clarification. I've become the "nobody in the AVOD/SVOD/FAST realm knows wtf they are doing" guy on this forum so it's nice to independently get verification that digital metrics are completely boofed.

Because I have unlimited data, sometimes I'll stream Netflix through my phone and not my wifi network. How are they going to know I'm part of the "household"?

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After reading the email and their Help section this part is very clear to me:

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Your Netflix account is for you and the people you live with your household.

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What is a household?

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A Netflix Household is a collection of your Netflix devices connected to the internet at the main place you watch Netflix. A Netflix Household can be set using a TV device. Devices that use your Netflix account on the same internet connection as this TV will automatically be part of your Netflix Household.

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So, your Netflix account is basically your primary household and all devices that are on the same internet connection.

Here is what remains confusing:

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You can easily watch Netflix on the go and when you travel either on your personal devices or a TV at a hotel or vacation home.

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How? There is no mention of how to do this and this seems completely contradictory to the opening statement on households.

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I suppose they'll do this by monitoring activity. If you stream from multiple different places on the same day for an extended duration they'll likely prevent you from streaming from the one they don't believe to be the primary location. A few days here or there they'll assume you are traveling, etc. There's likely to be a confusing middle ground there somewhere where they are likely to get it wrong and I assume they could potentially override that through a call to customer service...TBD.

Well, I guess regardless of how the "transfer" thing works, they just lost about $5/month from me. If in-laws and sister aren't sharing the account anymore, no need for me to do the premium plan with 6 devices. So I dropped down to the basic plan. I doubt the in-laws will want to pay $8/month to keep it, and my sister has told me previously that she'll probably just drop it when this day comes.

So if you're using my family as a case study...this isn't going to go well for Netflix.

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Because I have unlimited data, sometimes I'll stream Netflix through my phone and not my wifi network. How are they going to know I'm part of the "household"?

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They for sure will know the device type being streamed on and it's entirely possible they won't have any restrictions in place for mobile devices. Who really knows though until they roll this out and people start getting blocked.

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I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Are you saying all streaming services should be free? Are you saying Netflix is responsible for your oversubscription of streaming services?

We're talking about entertainment, which is not a natural right nor necessary to survive. It is very simple, pay for it if you want it, don't pay for it if you don't.

Or go get a hobby.

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I have considered ditching all of our streaming services since picking up guitar! As long as I can watch guitar stuff on YouTube I'm fine, and I don't need a subscription for that!

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Once you get a taste of YouTube Premium you'll never go back

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Elaborate please.

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I watch a ton of youtube. No ads, being able to listen to audio when your screen is locked, and being able to download videos for offline viewing is what i like it for.

Also, creators get a larger chunk of money from Youtube Premium views than they do from normal youtube ad revenue.

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$12/mo

But a warning if you do subscribe, don't manage your subscription through the Apple app store or it'll be more like $16/mo. I already made that mistake.

I got a 3-month free trial of youtube premium a few years ago and i could never bring myself to cancel it after that

Thanks for the tip

I've really enjoyed YT premium as well. I don't keep it all the time though since I can't justify paying that much for something I watch or listen tv more passively and less frequently than other services. I'll do a free trial or pay for it if I'm travelling or have another reason to want more offline content though.

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It also reminds me of the time I got my hands on marketing and realizing how utterly pointless and useless marketing metrics are. Click through rates, impressions, etc. It's all bullsh^t and means nothing. None of it can be tied to revenue for the vast majority of companies.

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Yup you're right, marketing means nothing. Start a new business and just wait for the money to start rolling in.

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To clarify, if you are spending a bunch of money on your digital marketing efforts and can't tie that to revenue, then you have no idea if it's effective.

Click through rates and a variety of other marketing metrics we tracked were completely meaningless. I killed it, improved our profitability immediately, and saw no drop off in growth.

Guess I was just ahead of the curve on this recent profitability trend.

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Appreciate the clarification. I've become the "nobody in the AVOD/SVOD/FAST realm knows wtf they are doing" guy on this forum so it's nice to independently get verification that digital metrics are completely boofed.

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It was enlightening to discover how worthless it all was while simultaneously gaining an appreciation for GDPR and CCPA. After attending some marketing conferences, I was further surprised to discover that most everyone (regardless of industry) was in the same boat.

Massive waste of money and resources just churning away at click through rates. Lol. WGAS if someone clicked through if you didn't convert them to a paying customer. Go f'ing talk to them.

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Netflix with ads is $6.99/month. Are people that bent out of shape about paying $7 for something that they watch a lot?

Netflix's selection and reasonable price has kept it as one of the few "always on" services for us, and we pay more for no ads. Still way cheaper than cable.

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Isn't the resolution on this plan like 720p? Lol no.

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1080p on free with adds. Odd since it's cheaper than the "basic" tier which costs more but is the one with 720p.

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Interesting. Thanks for the knowledge.

So, the sub with Ads is 1080p and the basic tier without ads is 720p?

They are clearly just trying to incentivize you to go with ads and get better PQ although I'm not sure if anyone can tell the difference.

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I deal with a ton of companies that host in the cloud or exclusively SAAS and their costs have gone up a noticable.

One product i sell is the second biggest AWS consumer behind Netflix and they've had a pretty good bump in prices because of AWS services going up.

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Netflix should have built some physical infrastructure instead of being beholden to the whims of a nearly monopolized market led by Jeff Bezos... For smaller companies cloud hosting like AWS makes lots of sense, but for a company the size of Netflix should have much more diversified hosting.

The whole point of a company like Amazon is to corner a market and make other people/businesses reliant on low cost products and services and then put the screws to the customers when they have no other choice...

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So, the sub with Ads is 1080p and the basic tier without ads is 720p?

They are clearly just trying to incentivize you to go with ads and get better PQ although I'm not sure if anyone can tell the difference.

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Doing a little reading around, this is what I found. Apparently ad tier also doesn't access their entire catalog. However, it doesn't play ads on kids shows apparently.

That's old info. It's now Standard with ads. Bumped up to 1080p and 2 streams at once for the same $6.99/mo.

4K should be standard at this point.

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After reading the email and their Help section this part is very clear to me:

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Your Netflix account is for you and the people you live with your household.

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What is a household?

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A Netflix Household is a collection of your Netflix devices connected to the internet at the main place you watch Netflix. A Netflix Household can be set using a TV device. Devices that use your Netflix account on the same internet connection as this TV will automatically be part of your Netflix Household.

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So, your Netflix account is basically your primary household and all devices that are on the same internet connection.

Here is what remains confusing:

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You can easily watch Netflix on the go and when you travel either on your personal devices or a TV at a hotel or vacation home.

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How? There is no mention of how to do this and this seems completely contradictory to the opening statement on households.

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I have two kids at A&M and I sometimes take an Apple TV with us on vacation. Not sure how we'll be impacted.

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I suspect they'll just make you do 2 factor authentication so, as long as you can get Email or text messages while you're on vacation, you should be fine.

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I deal with a ton of companies that host in the cloud or exclusively SAAS and their costs have gone up a noticable.

One product i sell is the second biggest AWS consumer behind Netflix and they've had a pretty good bump in prices because of AWS services going up.

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Netflix should have built some physical infrastructure instead of being beholden to the whims of a nearly monopolized market led by Jeff Bezos... For smaller companies cloud hosting like AWS makes lots of sense, but for a company the size of Netflix should have much more diversified hosting.

The whole point of a company like Amazon is to corner a market and make other people/businesses reliant on low cost products and services and then put the screws to the customers when they have no other choice...

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Honestly, if Netflix had a "cable box", they wouldn't have a problem as long as you had to connect to the physical box to use their service.

Kind of like Free WiFi at a restaurant or coffee shop. If I have to be physically within range for it to work, probably don't really need a password.

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So, the sub with Ads is 1080p and the basic tier without ads is 720p?

They are clearly just trying to incentivize you to go with ads and get better PQ although I'm not sure if anyone can tell the difference.

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The difference is noticeable but, there's not much content at 4K and obviously less at 8K so it's kind of pointless.
And it's not like people need 4K to watch crappy re-runs of the American "The Office".

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If I remember correctly, Hulu did this by making you log in on the home network at least once per month.

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I see an IT business opportunity here for IP spoofing.

• Create a virtual desktop in "The Cloud".
• Route all your home internet traffic through that virtual desktop so it looks like everything is coming from the same IP address.
• Profit

This is essentially what our Chinese employees used to do in the 2010s so they could access Facebook.

• Reserve a virtual lab system based in California.
• VPN into the lab from China.
• Access the Internet as if you're in California.

A nice job perk if you live in China.

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It was enlightening to discover how worthless it all was while simultaneously gaining an appreciation for GDPR and CCPA. After attending some marketing conferences, I was further surprised to discover that most everyone (regardless of industry) was in the same boat.

Massive waste of money and resources just churning away at click through rates. Lol. WGAS if someone clicked through if you didn't convert them to a paying customer. Go f'ing talk to them.

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I haven't even whispered anything about that to my higher ups or even bothered to ask the question. We're already backing off digital. Well, not officially. We're in the realm of "our competitors are doing this, if we don't too we'll lose the whole buy" and everyone's kind of just following the herd. I can assure you right now (I am in media fwiw) I don't give a rat's ass if the advertisers buy digital or not, i just want their money. And it's a hell of a lot easier to get that money today, tomorrow, next year, etc if we can deliver them our audience in measurable ways. I'm just glad I'm off any sort of digital whatever for my company, as we've been trying to roll out some new thing with one of our service providers that will "seamlessly" integrate into our billing and fulfillment software and allegedly with Google AdSense and all kinds of whats-it. We've been having growing pains for literally years because the systems don't talk to each other.

Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But now I'm way off topic. To swing this back to the OP... yeah I'm probably going to buy Netflix for a month or two so I can finish up Bojack Horseman and then I'll be done with it. Been using my sister's Netflix account and they use my Hulu. If Hulu decides they don't want to let people share anymore, I won't have any issues with that either. For my money the disney+ bundle is worth it. I already had Hulu, the kid loves disney+ and I wanted ESPN+ anyway.

The internet being the greatest potential tool ever for sharing information and an oppressed people found a way to access it so they could debate if a dress was white or blue.

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Netflix with ads is $6.99/month. Are people that bent out of shape about paying $7 for something that they watch a lot?

Netflix's selection and reasonable price has kept it as one of the few "always on" services for us, and we pay more for no ads. Still way cheaper than cable.

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Isn't the resolution on this plan like 720p? Lol no.

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1080p on free with adds. Odd since it's cheaper than the "basic" tier which costs more but is the one with 720p.

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I didn't even know there were different plans but this statement confuses me. I don't watch Netflix enough having several other streaming services as well and have thought about how $22 a month or whatever seems high, espcially considering it used to be around ten bucks.

So there is a $6.99/month plan that is 1080p with ads? I don't mind fighting through ads really if it saves $15 a month on something I watch a couple of times a month (unless there is a new season of something I like that drops and I binge it).

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Netflix with ads is $6.99/month. Are people that bent out of shape about paying $7 for something that they watch a lot?

Netflix's selection and reasonable price has kept it as one of the few "always on" services for us, and we pay more for no ads. Still way cheaper than cable.

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Isn't the resolution on this plan like 720p? Lol no.

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1080p on free with adds. Odd since it's cheaper than the "basic" tier which costs more but is the one with 720p.

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I didn't even know there were different plans but this statement confuses me. I don't watch Netflix enough having several other streaming services as well and have thought about how $22 a month or whatever seems high, espcially considering it used to be around ten bucks.

So there is a $6.99/month plan that is 1080p with ads? I don't mind fighting through ads really if it saves $15 a month on something I watch a couple of times a month (unless there is a new season of something I like that drops and I binge it).

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They added options with or without ads in the past year so it's relatively new. I can't speak to the PQ options you get with any of the plans. Im still on the premium plan for some reason.

I too question how they'll know if my work place is an OK for me to watch, or is that going to be a problem. I also wonder about the kids at college, HOWEVER, back in the days of cable, when I left my parents house for college, I either had to watch in a common area, at a restaurant, or...get my own subscription.

Real curious how they are going to do this.

If you are freeloading a sub then you are a thief. That is simply fact. Own it.

However, the whole point of streaming is that I can watch the sub I'm paying for anywhere i want with my login and my device. If they break this (which I can't imagine they are), then we might as well go back to satellite tv which still has a better picture anyway.