*** UAP THREAD ***

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ErnestEndeavor
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Could be like the old teacher wives tale of the Lemongello and Orangello twins and "the dash don't be silent" girl but it is still funny.

Anyway, back to the aliens.
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This thread is fascinating, especially for me. I used to be deathly afraid of aliens when I was in elementary school. I once had a dream I was abducted by grays. At least I think it was a dream.

Have also experienced lost time while driving and have recurring dreams of floating in a craft with the same people in each dream, kind of gives tour bus to the universe vibes. It's weird because it's different dreams but always with the same people. We are usually looking at something different out the windows each time. The most recent one was flying around a beautiful planet with swirls of bluish clouds and a crazy aurora. It was not a gas planet because we could see rocky ground and what appeared to be liquid water oceans. It was definitely not earth.
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RIP to Mario Woods, who sadly passed away today
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Aztec

Grok says:
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An in-depth interview (about 3 hours 24 minutes) on Chris Ramsay's Area52 "Flying Saucer Diner" series with researchers Scott and Suzanne Ramsey about the alleged March 25, 1948, Aztec, New Mexico UFO crash.
The Ramseys spent roughly 34 years and over $600,000 researching the case, compiling tens of thousands of documents and interviewing multiple witnesses. They present it as a genuine crash-retrieval event that was later successfully labeled a hoax.
Core Claimed Events
On the morning of March 25, 1948, a roughly 100-foot disc-shaped craft (domed top and bottom, about 13 feet high, thin cross-section) came down on a mesa near Hart Canyon outside Aztec. Oil-field workers (including Doug Noland) arrived after reports of a fire or unusual activity. They found the intact craft, poked a stick into a nearly invisible porthole-like opening, hit a lever, and a staircase dropped down. Inside were 16 small (34 foot tall), child-like humanoid bodies in one-piece blue suits with no insignia. Some were slumped over controls; others were found elsewhere in the craft. The beings had child-like features (not the classic large-eyed grays), and some appeared damaged, possibly from decompression.



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Alright, Stratton chapter 8 is the central portion of his effort to the public

Jim Ryder
former head of Lockheed's Advanced Technology Center, told him, which he corroborated,

CIA's Directorate of Science & Technology did operational control, only group with a full view Legacy

Legacy is, bodies / crafts / science and tech from these

Air Force and Navy intel next and somewhat public face: field retrievals and transport, industry contracts as cover, NDAs to silence witnesses, plus threats

Energy relied on the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 as extremely strict classification barrier ("with the threat of death")

There's the 3 or 4, plus favored contractors, names overlap with Gerb research

compartmentalization modeled on + tighter than Manhattan Project. Presidents do not need to know

TRW (Cleveland/Lyndhurst, Ohio, near Wright-Patterson AFB) original contractor ("ground zero"); Northrop Grumman assumed role after acquiring TRW in 2002. Battelle (Columbus) analyzed materials and developed containment protocols

EG&G handled testing and infrastructure at secure ranges.

Lockheed had longest continuous involvement

Project Blue Book was limited hangout

Ryder said Lockheed held recovered craft and proposed transferring one to AAWSAP while shifting oversight from the CIA to the DIA, program needed "more minds," not more money. But - infighting
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Roswell (and IMO Aztec) very real

Foreign Technology Division of Wright-Patterson got most of the bodies. Different species over first few decades of the atomic age (absolutely connected)

Putoff and Davis guides and mentors. Trustworthy and brave ….. IMO, Gerald Anderson childhood witness fully vindicated in all details. I'll post that video later
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Anderson, witness to Roswell

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I thought that guy had been discredited by almost everyone. He didn't come forward until decades later and was like 7 or 8 when it happened
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I'm not saying this to be rude, just as a statement of fact: Redstone believes literally everyone and believes in literally every theory. There has not been a single theory anywhere on this thread that I can remember that he has expressed even a tiny bit of doubt or cynicism about. So just keep that in mind when reading his posts. To his credit, he owns it, but simply believing everything doesn't make everything true.
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You talking about the poster that decimated Greer as a fraud here for years, and also
- detailed why we went to the moon, and also why NASA lied and lies
- detailed strong criticisms of Bledsoe
- Elizando, likewise
- praised Gerb, Ramsey, Michaels in the many times they've been critical and made call outs
- will criticize Stratton shortly once the 2nd read is done
- criticized heavily TTSA and Kirkpatrick

sure bud, keep reading, and I absolutely do own everything I post here with 100% sincerity

Stick around for undeniable Disclosure
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Posted for 2 main reasons:
- his testimony fits with other witnesses, and he's articulate, Roswell happened
- that's a very good YT archive, look at the channel
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watty said:

I'm not saying this to be rude, just as a statement of fact: Redstone believes literally everyone and believes in literally every theory. There has not been a single theory anywhere on this thread that I can remember that he has expressed even a tiny bit of doubt or cynicism about. So just keep that in mind when reading his posts. To his credit, he owns it, but simply believing everything doesn't make everything true.

I disagree. He's actually been very consistent with his beliefs and dialogue. Definitely is not a flavor of the week kind of guy IMO.
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I'm in the strange place of sincerely hoping Redstone is right and I'm wrong.

I don't think we will get official disclosure.
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Well, quite a bit of this meta-physical, or beyond our materialistic grounding as hominids.

So, IMO inherently religious, because we are not only atoms. Most of what I've written on this thread is some combo of Protestants Heiser and Alberino with the Catholic mysticism of Anne Catherine Emmerich via Angelico Press full set

(specifically, other mostly material creations, angel / demon as narrow terms & related but not angel-ic / demon-ic, kinetic war near Mars, giants, planetary spirits….)
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I for one am very disappointed in all the grammatical mistakes in a Redstone post. Haphazard.
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TKEAg04 said:

watty said:

I'm not saying this to be rude, just as a statement of fact: Redstone believes literally everyone and believes in literally every theory. There has not been a single theory anywhere on this thread that I can remember that he has expressed even a tiny bit of doubt or cynicism about. So just keep that in mind when reading his posts. To his credit, he owns it, but simply believing everything doesn't make everything true.

I disagree. He's actually been very consistent with his beliefs and dialogue. Definitely is not a flavor of the week kind of guy IMO.


Missing my point. There's not a single theory he has rejected. Every single alien story, every abduction story, every claim of mermaids, giants, underwater bases, moon bases, big foot, literally every claim, he believes (his words!). That doesn't mean he holds every source in equal esteem. But it does mean I haven't seen him reject a single hypothesis of any claim, ever. so keep that in mind when evaluating his claims.
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Don't discuss me. Here's the point:

Consilience, consistency, across subjective experience, and across time and environment.

This is true for:
Abductions
"Types" and appearances of aliens
Giants
Bigfoot (very much so here)
Little folk / mermaids and etc
NDEs
DUMBs and on and on

We've seen on this thread, and I and others could detail plenty of commonalities. It's noteworthy, in a way similar to some of the most credentialed people on the planet saying some seemingly outrageous things is noteworthy.

Attention should be paid, even as we all await the podium.
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Nunes has been relegated to "a guy called?" oof
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In case you want a techno-hip hop cautionary note about the dangerous appeal of Ufology....

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TCTTS said:

Chris Cuomo talks to Jay Stratton about his new book, Out of the Shadows.

Finally, an interview with a few hard-hitting questions. So, basically all of Stratton's alien encounters have been with NHI peepers and stalkers?
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benchmark said:

TCTTS said:

Chris Cuomo talks to Jay Stratton about his new book, Out of the Shadows.

Finally, an interview with a few hard-hitting questions. So, basically all of Stratton's alien encounters have been with NHI peepers and stalkers?
"Sourced to unnamed insiders." So, no sources. Business as usual, then.
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I never would've thought that the Disclosure grift would replace the climate change grift, yet it appears that here we are.

I fall right behind Joe Rogan in wanting Disclosure to be realized and impactful, but the never ending flood of second hand sources and unnamed sources has made me realize that the Military Industrial Complex has won. Only a Rogue nation at this point could affect Disclosure.
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Are the Elizando and Stratton books "grifts," or ad supported ventures such as NewsNation and That UFO Podcast ?

Obviously scamming is rife everywhere, but let's be discerning, and even only considering witnesses:

"trust me bro" can exist right alongside comprehensive, heavily-detailed, credible testimony, very compelling and consistent with many other accounts, and so demanding of attention.

And I agree we need and deserve more. But grifting most of this is not.
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Redstone said:

Are the Elizando and Stratton books "grifts," or ad supported ventures such as NewsNation and That UFO Podcast ?

Obviously scamming is rife everywhere, but let's be discerning, and even only considering witnesses:

"trust me bro" can exist right alongside comprehensive, heavily-detailed, credible testimony, very compelling and consistent with many other accounts, and so demanding of attention.

And I agree we need and deserve more. But grifting most of this is not.
I agree this doesn't seem like grifting to me either. Monetarily, at least. Elizondo and Stratton are not getting rich off of book deals. Nobody is. However, to the extent that YouTube's monetization model rewards views, I think that it's fair to be suspicious of the big UFO oriented channels like Jesse. Rogan covers lots of topics besides UFOs, so I wouldn't accuse him of grifting. And Andy is generally too skeptical of the "woo" topics on his podcast to be a successful grifter. And there are non-monetary motives possible. Avi Loeb shows up literally everywhere for anything.
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Sure. One reason I keep plugging Alberino here is he is well read in UFO-logy, and I'm continuously struck by the continuity and consilience of accounts, even as we have to endure Adamski, Greer ….. just need discernment
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