Man, you are quite annoying

You're insufferable, dude. Whether it's telling other ags to **** off, calling others dip****, or poking fun at autism, you have no boundaries and clearly have deep insecurities to resort to that

How about ignoring me like I typically ignore you after your repeated derails and personal attacks and move on. You bought a star, put me on your ignore list if i'm the source of all your troubles, hth

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I like how OP is nowhere to be found in all of this

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He's probably on to using another screenname.

While skimming this thread I remembered that last night my wife showed me a video on facebook that was of a recording the Apollo astronauts made during their trip around the moon.

It showed that the dark side of the moon was full of cities glowing like you see in those satellite images of the US at night time.

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While skimming this thread I remembered that last night my wife showed me a video on facebook that was of a recording the Apollo astronauts made during their trip around the moon.

It showed that the dark side of the moon was full of cities glowing like you see in those satellite images of the US at night time.

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I thought the moon was where all the killer whales lived after escaping evil communists from the horse head nebula?

No, that's where the Transformer's space ship crashed.

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Man, you are quite annoying

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You should definitely take his advice, having Ghost of Bisbee on ignore is a game-changer.

I wonder if the moderators are ever going to answer my email from over 2 days ago.

Yeah what did you do to get the thread nuked like that?

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Man...a few posters on this thread take their aliens very seriously.

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Seriously enough to get all of the Un-serious, non-angry comments deleted. Tread lightly.

The Porkchop Express said:

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Yeah what did you do to get the thread nuked like that?

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Absolutely nothing. Both me and TTCTS were respectful the entire time. Unless staff considers TTCTS posting a bunch of Gordon Ramsey gifs as profanity.

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Yeah what did you do to get the thread nuked like that?

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Absolutely nothing. Both me and TTCTS were respectful the entire time. Unless staff considers TTCTS posting a bunch of Gordon Ramsey gifs as profanity.

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The aliens… the aliens must have nuked it

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Yeah what did you do to get the thread nuked like that?

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Absolutely nothing. Both me and TTCTS were respectful the entire time. Unless staff considers TTCTS posting a bunch of Gordon Ramsey gifs as profanity.

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Staff sent me to ban camp for three days for "grandstanding" and "insulting" fellow posters. Or, rather, one moderator said it was for the former while another told me it was for the latter. I thought we kept it pretty tame as well, relatively speaking, but staff thought otherwise. Either that or, yeah, Gordon Ramsey gifs are suddenly a big no-no.

Regardless, I'll try to keep things (more) civil going forward…

I didn't flag it (I pretty much never do), so I wonder what made them think that? 3rd parties flagging stuff on my behalf?

Edit: they did respond this morning and said it automatically deleted responses that quote your post when they nuke yours. That that sorta blows.

I sorta forgot where we left off, but do you agree that no matter how advanced their technology might get, that no alien species could ever make 1+1=3?

I'm frustrated because I wrote a really long response to that question and it was gone 30 minutes later. I'm only getting dumber as I get older so I doubt I can recapture the magic to type it over.

I hate when threads get blasted by staph. I love a good argument and this board by far has the most compelling ones.

The Porkchop Express said:

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I'm frustrated because I wrote a really long response to that question and it was gone 30 minutes later. I'm only getting dumber as I get older so I doubt I can recapture the magic to type it over.

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Yeah, I had a ridiculously long post that got blown away too. The one before the Gordon Ramsey blast. I don't remember what I said in that one. Something about relativity and quantum mechanics.

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I sorta forgot where we left off, but do you agree that no matter how advanced their technology might get, that no alien species could ever make 1+1=3?

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I agree that no alien species could ever make 1+1=3. I get what you're saying. There are laws in our universe that we've been smart enough to figure out, that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt will never, ever be broken, not by us or by anyone else. My point is that an advanced species that's thousands if not millions of years more advanced than us has likely figured out loopholes "around" some of those laws that we can't even conceive of yet, via science we don't even know exists - what we would basically think of as "magic." And my point is that you can't prove that "magic" DOESN'T exist. Especially given that people a thousand years ago would think that what we do and use in our everyday lives now is "magic." Those people would argue just as strong as you are that certain things are "impossible" that we've now proven aren't.

Do you agree that it is possible that there may be no loopholes for the light speed one? And if it turns out that there is no such loophole, then that alone means there is basically zero chance of us getting into contact in our lifetimes?

As time has gone on, im sort of starting to subscribe more to the theory that we call "aliens" are probably interdimensional beings instead of extraterrestrial.

Could be as simple as the astral plane which I can confirm DOES exist. I've entered it and most of the beings there were just as wtf at me as we here would be when people see "Bigfoot". But there are those in the astral plane that DO know of us and will make contact with you. Maybe our version or cryptozoologists and UFOlogists

Sounds like you need to start a new thread to tell your story.



Or lay off the drugs

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As time has gone on, im sort of starting to subscribe more to the theory that we call "aliens" are probably interdimensional beings instead of extraterrestrial.

Could be as simple as the astral plane which I can confirm DOES exist. I've entered it and most of the beings there were just as wtf at me as we here would be when people see "Bigfoot". But there are those in the astral plane that DO know of us and will make contact with you. Maybe our version or cryptozoologists and UFOlogists

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I feel like you just casually dropped that in there.

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Do you agree that it is possible that there may be no loopholes for the light speed one? And if it turns out that there is no such loophole, then that alone means there is basically zero chance of us getting into contact in our lifetimes?

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Sure. But we know that bending spacetime is likely an eventual possibility. We just don't know how to produce enough energy, especially within a single craft, to do it. But theoretically the concept isn't *that* elusive, and we've figured out the basic gist. To the point where NASA, Elon Musk, prominent scientists, etc are currently spending millions researching exactly how to do pull it off. Is there a chance no one ever cracks it before humanity eventually dies off? I guess. But that honestly doesn't seem likely. Especially considering how report after report after report, from credible military pilots and personnel, time and again, in combination with radar and satellite data, point to craft, right here, right now, that are bending spacetime before their very eyes. I mean, it's gotten to the point where it's nearly inarguable that objects capable of bending spacetime are occupying our skies. The question isn't whether they're real or not. The question is whether they're from a deep black program of ours that has somehow already figured out this technology - or alien.

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As time has gone on, im sort of starting to subscribe more to the theory that we call "aliens" are probably interdimensional beings instead of extraterrestrial.

Could be as simple as the astral plane which I can confirm DOES exist. I've entered it and most of the beings there were just as wtf at me as we here would be when people see "Bigfoot". But there are those in the astral plane that DO know of us and will make contact with you. Maybe our version or cryptozoologists and UFOlogists

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As I've said before, as crazy as it sounds, I honestly don't think this isn't far from the truth.

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BenFiasco14 said:

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As time has gone on, im sort of starting to subscribe more to the theory that we call "aliens" are probably interdimensional beings instead of extraterrestrial.

Could be as simple as the astral plane which I can confirm DOES exist. I've entered it and most of the beings there were just as wtf at me as we here would be when people see "Bigfoot". But there are those in the astral plane that DO know of us and will make contact with you. Maybe our version or cryptozoologists and UFOlogists

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As I've said before, as crazy as it sounds, I honestly don't think this is far from the truth.

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It isn't. Astral projection is a legit thing. Now whether the astral plane is an "alternate dimension" or a "parallel dimension" or something entirely different versus where "Bigfoot" and "UFOs" come from im not sure and not claiming the same.

Basically, im just saying I can pretty much confirm different planes of existence exist because I've done astral projection myself. I don't do it anymore however because the last time I did it I believe I came into contact with what, I believed to be, perhaps a demon in the biblical sense but at the very least an evil spirit that had the power to do bad things to me. This last attempt was while I was at A&M and haven't attempted since. It's been well over 10 years and every once in awhile I still feel a "tug" to return. Hard to explain.

Now, back to the UFOs and parallel dimensions. If that's the case, you lose the detractors who try to mathematically prove by distance contact with aliens is possible. But what if they aren't light years away - they're "here" in a way that makes no sense to us who live linear lives.

Our own government was confirmed to be involved in remote viewing (and probably still is), which is likely in the same ballpark as what you're describing. Heck, the link below is an official Army report literally hosted at the CIA's official website, having to do with just that, and it's one of the most fascinating documents I've ever read (I was on the hunt for good movie/TV show ideas, which is what first attracted me to it)...

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

IMO, whatever we want to call it, it's probably all part of the same consciousness, beyond our material existence. And what's funny is that people will call you crazy for saying what you just said, or call me crazy for agreeing with you, but then those very same people will go to church on Sunday and believe wholeheartedly in *their* alternate plane of existence, souls beyond our physical form, etc. I'm not at all knocking their faith, it's just funny to me that their beliefs are basically the same, but because it's all tied to Christianity it's ok. When it's probably all the same thing, just interpreted differently by various faiths, experiencers, science, etc.

redline248 said:

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Sounds like you need to start a new thread to tell your story.



Or lay off the drugs

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I've never taken psychedelic drugs in my life. However, I am interested by the descriptions some users have about seeing "machine elves" and other similar beings.

I don't think it's far fetched to think some drugs can help "assist" glimpses into alternate realities. 99% of it is probably BS, but I find machine elves compelling

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Our own government was confirmed to be involved in remote viewing (and probably still is), which is likely in the same ballpark as what you're describing. Heck, the link below is an official Army report literally hosted at the CIA's official website, having to do with just that, and it's one of the most fascinating documents I've ever read (I was on the hunt for good movie/TV show ideas, which is what first attracted me to it)...

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

IMO, whatever we want to call it, it's probably all part of the same consciousness, beyond our material existence. And what's funny is that people will call you crazy for saying what you just said, or call me crazy for agreeing with you, but then those very same people will go to church on Sunday and believe wholeheartedly in *their* alternate plane of existence, souls beyond our physical form, etc. I'm not at all knocking their faith, it's just funny to me that their beliefs are basically the same, but because it's all tied to Christianity it's ok. What I'm saying is that it's probably all the same thing, just interpreted differently by various faiths, experiencers, science, etc.

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True that. But people who do what you describe on the latter - laugh at discussions like this but happily go to church - they are mainstream religious folks who don't go past the surface level.

I was raised pretty Christian and soured on it as I got older and then into A&M. Was a casual Christian at best. After the astral projection experience I alluded to above, along with my further research into the paranormal and supernatural, it has actually strengthened my faith in some ways.

I still am not a devout church goer or anything. But I wouldn't say I'm Agnostic either which I understand the above sort of sounds like.

I am more or less convinced there is something out there we don't understand and I think something happens to human "souls," "essence," whatever you want to call it, after death.

So with all of that info, and my belief in and experiences with some unexplainable things and further research, I have been presented with Pascals Wager and I am not choosing to challenge the house.

Right there with you.

I'm super interested in this sort of thing, but it should always be viewed with the understanding that the human brain is not a reality-percieving device. The brain's preceptory function is to filter and interpret reality into something we can more easily understand/comprehend. We also can't tell the difference between imagined experiences and real ones once they're logged and stored away in our memories... this is why we can hear a story over and over again and eventually believe we remember experiencing it ourselves.

The way the brain functions makes recounting facts from things like astral projection or superconscious trips unreliable, at best.

Good point, and well said. My only issue when people say something is impossible/can't happen, based on their own, limited, human understanding and experiences. Be it aliens, alternate dimensions, the afterlife, whatever. All I'm saying is, have an open mind and understand how little we actually know, relatively speaking, about our own existence. It's perfectly fine to be skeptical - healthy and necessary, even - just don't think in absolutes.

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I'm super interested in this sort of thing, but it should always be viewed with the understanding that the human brain is not a reality-percieving device. The brain's preceptory function is to filter and interpret reality into something we can more easily understand/comprehend. We also can't tell the difference between imagined experiences and real ones once they're logged and stored away in our memories... this is why we can hear a story over and over again and eventually believe we remember experiencing it ourselves.

The way the brain functions makes recounting facts from things like astral projection or superconscious trips unreliable, at best.

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Fair enough. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Astral projection isn't like walking through a Stargate and suddenly you're in this entirely, 100% cognizable alternate world with aliens roaming around. It's really hard to describe. But I can tell you each time I did it I used the exact same steps to do so. Worked sometimes. Sometimes it didn't. I didn't dream it if that's what you're implying.

To this day 10+ years later I'll be lying in bed sometimes and I feel the "pull". I easily shake it away but it's clear I'll carry this the rest of my life. Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't matter to me if you believe. I know what I experienced. I'm not running around trying to sell my story. It's just my life.

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AliasMan02 said:

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I'm super interested in this sort of thing, but it should always be viewed with the understanding that the human brain is not a reality-percieving device. The brain's preceptory function is to filter and interpret reality into something we can more easily understand/comprehend. We also can't tell the difference between imagined experiences and real ones once they're logged and stored away in our memories... this is why we can hear a story over and over again and eventually believe we remember experiencing it ourselves.

The way the brain functions makes recounting facts from things like astral projection or superconscious trips unreliable, at best.

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Fair enough. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Astral projection isn't like walking through a Stargate and suddenly you're in this entirely, 100% cognizable alternate world with aliens roaming around. It's really hard to describe. But I can tell you each time I did it I used the exact same steps to do so. Worked sometimes. Sometimes it didn't. I didn't dream it if that's what you're implying.

To this day 10+ years later I'll be lying in bed sometimes and I feel the "pull". I easily shake it away but it's clear I'll carry this the rest of my life. Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't matter to me if you believe. I know what I experienced. I'm not running around trying to sell my story. It's just my life.

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I vaguely remember you posting about this experience years ago, and how the last time you did it successfully, it was terrifying.
How similar are the steps to get to lucid dreaming?

Lucid dreaming is pretty cool, one of those things you have to "practice" though.

Life is a weird thing

Ghost of Bisbee said:

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BenFiasco14 said:

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I'm super interested in this sort of thing, but it should always be viewed with the understanding that the human brain is not a reality-percieving device. The brain's preceptory function is to filter and interpret reality into something we can more easily understand/comprehend. We also can't tell the difference between imagined experiences and real ones once they're logged and stored away in our memories... this is why we can hear a story over and over again and eventually believe we remember experiencing it ourselves.

The way the brain functions makes recounting facts from things like astral projection or superconscious trips unreliable, at best.

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Fair enough. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Astral projection isn't like walking through a Stargate and suddenly you're in this entirely, 100% cognizable alternate world with aliens roaming around. It's really hard to describe. But I can tell you each time I did it I used the exact same steps to do so. Worked sometimes. Sometimes it didn't. I didn't dream it if that's what you're implying.

To this day 10+ years later I'll be lying in bed sometimes and I feel the "pull". I easily shake it away but it's clear I'll carry this the rest of my life. Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't matter to me if you believe. I know what I experienced. I'm not running around trying to sell my story. It's just my life.

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I vaguely remember you posting about this experience years ago, and how the last time you did it successfully, it was terrifying.
How similar are the steps to get to lucid dreaming?

Lucid dreaming is pretty cool, one of those things you have to "practice" though.

Life is a weird thing

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Lucid dreaming is entirely different from astral projection but they're confused often. A lucid dream is a dream you're having where you're in some degree of "control" over what's happening. Some claim to have full control over it, others vary.

Astral projection is separating your "soul" from your physical body and exploring that world which is commonly called the astral plane. If you do it right, there's a tether from your soul back to your physical body.

I never experienced this, but folks always advise to never sever that tether under any circumstances. I've heard stories of entities trying to convince people to sever the tether to "see something" even crazier. If you sever that tether, good luck finding your body.