Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll

One of the biggest serial killers, with 28 victims, and from Houston.

I'm very surprised this isn't a bigger "name" among the best known serial killers, and especially that being from Texas I'd never heard of him. Kinda crazy.

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Dean Coril is the reason kids of my generation never went trick or treating in Houston in the 70s and 80s. We would go to a Halloween carnival at our school or church and maybe a lap to our nearest neighbors, but nothing more.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll

One of the biggest serial killers, with 28 victims, and from Houston.

I'm very surprised this isn't a bigger "name" among the best known serial killers, and especially that being from Texas I'd never heard of him. Kinda crazy.

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Yep. Know his story well. The Candy Man. There are several true crime podcasts on him and his accomplice was represented in season 1 of Mind Hunters.

Dahmer was an excellent show on Netflix.

And for the poster who said there can't be serial killers anymore- I'd bet money there are many many active serial killers as we speak. Many known cases have not been solved and they aren't that old. Despite technology, people who have a will - will find a way. I believe interstate highway killers are probably the most common now.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll

One of the biggest serial killers, with 28 victims, and from Houston.

I'm very surprised this isn't a bigger "name" among the best known serial killers, and especially that being from Texas I'd never heard of him. Kinda crazy.

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The Candy Man?!? If you have any kind of interest in past serial killers you've heard of him. There's theories on him inspiring Gacy, the nickname, the fears that he inspired, etc.

I do think he's not as recognized as some of the others because of how he was killed. He wasn't caught/killed by authorities, he didn't have a trial that brought more attention to it, and a further announcement about him being put to death 10-20 years after being caught. He's definitely on the short list of most sadistic and unique that we've had in the US.

The fact that he had helpers for a long while, to me, is the craziest part of his crazy, sick, story.

Really good podcast about Corll and Gacy called The Clown & The Candyman. Worth a listen Brian.

Brian there is a large thread about the clown and the Candyman on the Houston board. Check it out.

I do, and I hadn't.

Got a link? Not finding it.

My internet is crap at work, it is probably a year or two old or more now. Iirc the title is the same as that podcast. If nothing else, search corll.

Episode six crushed me.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll

One of the biggest serial killers, with 28 victims, and from Houston.

I'm very surprised this isn't a bigger "name" among the best known serial killers, and especially that being from Texas I'd never heard of him. Kinda crazy.

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He's pretty famous, although doesn't get the recognition that Bundy, Dahmer, etc get. 28 victims that they know about, it's most likely much more than that. Here is the link to the Houston board thread.

https://texags.com/forums/38/topics/3182670/1#discussion

Thanks

Episode 6.

We watched it all over a few nights - Peters was great and we enjoyed (as much as you can "enjoy" such things) it for the most part. Having recently watched a few documentaries about Dahmer, I found the liberties taken with creating the neighbor character (and episode long detour into her story line) to be distracting to the point of annoying.

Otherwise, great show and, yes, Tony's episode was heart wrenching.

Those two police never got a that award either. That and the scene showing the police calling Sinthasomphone Sr. was out of line. I can't find any evidence that that ever happened.

Noblemen06 said:

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We watched it all over a few nights - Peters was great and we enjoyed (as much as you can "enjoy" such things) it for the most part. Having recently watched a few documentaries about Dahmer, I found the liberties taken with creating the neighbor character (and episode long detour into her story line) to be distracting to the point of annoying.

Otherwise, great show and, yes, Tony's episode was heart wrenching.

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My understanding is they basically merged two people, Glenda Cleveland and Pamela Bass, entirely into Glenda Cleveland. It makes sense if you look at it in terms of trying to streamline the story for TV by reducing the number of characters viewers have to keep up with, but I think it would have been more true to the actual events if they had just made it Pamela Bass. Niecy Nash could have still played the role.

aTmAg said:

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Those two police never got a that award either. That and the scene showing the police calling Sinthasomphone Sr. was out of line. I can't find any evidence that that ever happened.

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Maybe, but they got reinstated with back pay and one went on to serve as union boss for 5 years, all despite the two of them being directly responsible for the murder of a 14 year old. So it's hard to feel like they got a raw deal on tv. The first hit by the dude in prison on dahmer felt almost as good as when cap tags Thanos with mjolnir.

Ryan the Temp said:

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Noblemen06 said:

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We watched it all over a few nights - Peters was great and we enjoyed (as much as you can "enjoy" such things) it for the most part. Having recently watched a few documentaries about Dahmer, I found the liberties taken with creating the neighbor character (and episode long detour into her story line) to be distracting to the point of annoying.

Otherwise, great show and, yes, Tony's episode was heart wrenching.

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My understanding is they basically merged two people, Glenda Cleveland and Pamela Bass, entirely into Glenda Cleveland. It makes sense if you look at it in terms of trying to streamline the story for TV by reducing the number of characters viewers have to keep up with, but I think it would have been more true to the actual events if they had just made it Pamela Bass. Niecy Nash could have still played the role.

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It's easier to bash the police as a whole (rather than just those 2 morons) when portraying the next door neighbor as basically knowing what's going on and calling the police over and over again to no avail. Rather than have that person be in a different building with very little direct evidence to show. Pamela Bass didn't suspect Dahmer at all and thought he was "her friend". Showing that doesn't push the agenda as well.

The Porkchop Express said:

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aTmAg said:

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Those two police never got a that award either. That and the scene showing the police calling Sinthasomphone Sr. was out of line. I can't find any evidence that that ever happened.

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Maybe, but they got reinstated with back pay and one went on to serve as union boss for 5 years, all despite the two of them being directly responsible for the murder of a 14 year old. So it's hard to feel like they got a raw deal on tv. The first hit by the dude in prison on dahmer felt almost as good as when cap tags Thanos with mjolnir.

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I don't think they got a raw deal, but the police as a whole did. Those two morons got reinstated because they sued and the Judge ruled in their favor. Not because the department welcomed the back with open arms. And the department has no control over who is elected as union boss. Unions suck, there is no doubt about that. I wish they showed that more instead.

Sea Speed said:

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Serial killers aren't a thing anymore because technology, surveillance and forensics have come so far that these people can't just make others disappear anymore like they used to. Every single person has a GPS and camera on them at all times now. A significant number of homes have video surveillance. Businesses have more and better cameras. Police are much more inclined to active investigate things these days. These kind of killers just can't get away with dozens of murders like they used to. They get caught after one or two and before they really get to the dahmer/gacy etc level. There is also much more available online that probably helps feed their addiction/desires thst stops them from getting to that level.

On the other hand, there are probably several inner city criminals who have killed several people that are still walking around free. Do we consider gang members who have several bodies underneath them serial killers?

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I am not a pornography advocate, but I sometimes wonder if the abundance of porn and weird fetish sh** on the internet has resulted in a decrease in serial killers and rapists?

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

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Yes

agracer said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

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Yes

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I'm not a native Houstonian and even I know about Dean Corll. That whole saga was super effed up.

This came out last Friday on Netflix:

https://www.netflix.com/title/81173345

Conversations with a Killer: The Jeffrey Dahmer Tapes

This might be the last show I'd ever watch.

agracer said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

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Yes

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I have friends living in Houston who hadn't heard of him.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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agracer said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

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Yes

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I have friends living in Houston who hadn't heard of him.

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From Houston or just living in Houston now?

Finished Episode 8 tonight. Pretty fantastic recreating the victim statements. Another pretty amazing performance by the lead actor. What does the justice system do when he's totally compliant and shows zero remorse? It makes the whole trial anti-climactic and almost unnecessary because he doesn't feel bad about it.

The latter.

aTmAg said:

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Those two police never got a that award either. That and the scene showing the police calling Sinthasomphone Sr. was out of line. I can't find any evidence that that ever happened.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Those two police never got a that award either. That and the scene showing the police calling Sinthasomphone Sr. was out of line. I can't find any evidence that that ever happened.

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These inaccuracies serve no valuable purpose to the story. The other intentional inaccuracies (i.e. Glenda Cleveland, the mannequin found in the bed instead of the closet, etc.) at least support and reinforce real facts and events.

If Murphy's intention was, as suggested above, to bash the police, then this was still unnecessary and detracts from the otherwise very good work done on the series. It taints the validity of the rest of the series, imo, when there are really very few factual inaccuracies, intentional or otherwise.

Ryan the Temp said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Those two police never got a that award either. That and the scene showing the police calling Sinthasomphone Sr. was out of line. I can't find any evidence that that ever happened.

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These inaccuracies serve no valuable purpose to the story. The other intentional inaccuracies (i.e. Glenda Cleveland, the mannequin found in the bed instead of the closet, etc.) at least support and reinforce real facts and events.

If Murphy's intention was, as suggested above, to bash the police, then this was still unnecessary and detracts from the otherwise very good work done on the series. It taints the validity of the rest of the series, imo, when there are really very few factual inaccuracies, intentional or otherwise.

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Agreed.

Except that I think the reason Glenda Cleveland was made the next door neighbor was to have her call the police over and over and be ignored. Police ignoring that implies incompetency across the entire police department. Where having them ignore a caller from a different building does not.

To me, there is a right way and the wrong way. Chernobyl did it right. They combined several people into one and even stated that fact in writing at the end of the final episode. This is not to say Dahmer is bad, but it definitely had an axe to grind. Which taints it.

Stive said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I the only one who had never heard of Dean Corll?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll

One of the biggest serial killers, with 28 victims, and from Houston.

I'm very surprised this isn't a bigger "name" among the best known serial killers, and especially that being from Texas I'd never heard of him. Kinda crazy.

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The Candy Man?!? If you have any kind of interest in past serial killers you've heard of him. There's theories on him inspiring Gacy, the nickname, the fears that he inspired, etc.

I do think he's not as recognized as some of the others because of how he was killed. He wasn't caught/killed by authorities, he didn't have a trial that brought more attention to it, and a further announcement about him being put to death 10-20 years after being caught. He's definitely on the short list of most sadistic and unique that we've had in the US.

The fact that he had helpers for a long while, to me, is the craziest part of his crazy, sick, story.

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Not sure what's worse, what Corll did, or the fact that Henley and Brooks knowingly lured their friends to his house to be killed.

This shocking footage reveals the real reason Dahmer went bad - his uncle spanked him in public.

Completely agree. That's a different level of messed up when you go along with it, assist in some aspects, and bring people to their demise.

Serial killers are so rare in the first place, it's hard to imagine that they can become associated with other people like themselves; especially back then when there weren't the social connections like we have today. Now add a THIRD accomplice into the mix….

Off the rails weird.

I believe there are at least 2 people I've seen post on TexAgs that met Corll or were targeted by him

AustinAg2K said:

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It occurs to me that Dahmer was really America's last great serial killer. Now days, killers are too lazy. They just get a gun and go shoot up a school. No one puts pride in their work anymore. Hopefully whenever a school shooter makes their way down to hell, Dahmer is there to welcome them and then spend the rest of eternity showing them first hand the proper way to be a serial killer.

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Last great fascinating one, maybe, but I wouldn't say he was a "great" serial killer. It's insane how impulsive and careless he was, and even more insane to get away with it for 13 years being that *whatever* about everything. Dude was begging to get caught because he didn't really consider that what he was doing was wrong.

Wild.