*** WINNING TIME *** (HBO Lakers Series)

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Prosperdick
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10:50p, 4/24/22
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There was a lot to unpack but Buss crying over his mom and still didling the nurseā€¦chef's kiss.
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11:35p, 4/24/22
Worth watching just for the "go see cal and his dog spot" line.


Damn that took me back
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In reply to Prosperdick • 12:29a, 4/25/22
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Prosperdick said:
Now that was a good mother****ing episode! I don't care if they're taking liberties with what actually happened. This is some good **** they got cooking right now.


Indeed. Great episode.

Only two left.
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7:48a, 4/25/22
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Have enjoyed the series, but West and Westhead both have a legitimate beef. Went way too far. They've taken it so far that it is a pretty sizable blemish on what is otherwise a well done series.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 8:15a, 4/25/22
Did Haywood have a crack problem in real life?

If he did, I don't see the problem. If he didn't, I'd agree that is a pretty ****ty thing for them to write in for the character.

But the West character is great and if getting portrayed like that bothers you enough to be vocal about it, you were never going to be happy with how you are portrayed.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 8:21a, 4/25/22
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Did you mean to say Haywood? I don't remember Westhead being involved with drugs in the show. But Haywood did have a drug problem.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 8:22a, 4/25/22
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Westhead is the interim HC, not Avon Barksdale. He and West have basically been written as caricatures.
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In reply to BowSowy • 8:24a, 4/25/22
Yeah sorry I did
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 8:25a, 4/25/22
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Worth watching just for the "go see cal and his dog spot" line.


Damn that took me back


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In reply to BowSowy • 9:04a, 4/25/22
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BowSowy said:
Did you mean to say Haywood? I don't remember Westhead being involved with drugs in the show. But Haywood did have a drug problem.
And Haywood's final drug related fallout with the Lakers is a pretty amazing story that I assume will be covered in the last two episodes.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 9:29a, 4/25/22
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DannyDuberstein said:
Have enjoyed the series, but West and Westhead both have a legitimate beef. Went way too far. They've taken it so far that it is a pretty sizable blemish on what is otherwise a well done series.

West has been the most interesting, dynamic storyline of the show, along with Pat Riley. If taking liberties with West's history is wrong, we'll I don't want to be right!
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In reply to Heisenberg01 • 9:52a, 4/25/22
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Heisenberg01 said:
DannyDuberstein said:
Have enjoyed the series, but West and Westhead both have a legitimate beef. Went way too far. They've taken it so far that it is a pretty sizable blemish on what is otherwise a well done series.

West has been the most interesting, dynamic storyline of the show, along with Pat Riley. If taking liberties with West's history is wrong, we'll I don't want to be right!
This is where I'm at as well. I don't care that Dr. J cradle dunked over Cooper and not Magic (and heck, it was in '83) and I don't care about the inaccuracies of the actual season (there was no 2 game losing steak before Boston and they had already smoked the Celtics in LA). I want to be entertained and this season, especially last night, have been VERY entertaining.

As for individual characterizations I don't care about accuracy either...sometimes truth is stranger than fiction but many times it's just boring. If you want accuracy watch a documentary (spoiler alert: many documentaries are very inaccurate as well).
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6:05p, 4/25/22
Great episode. My wife sat on the couch at the beginning of the episode and was on her phone. (Never seen one episode). She ended up watching the entire show. She's a laker fan so she was grinning when she saw some of the players.

I love the coach storyline between McKinnly, Westhead, and Pat. The last scene with McKinnly telling Westhead why he hired him.... that was brutal.
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In reply to LawHall88 • 6:45p, 4/25/22
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LawHall88 said:
BowSowy said:
Did you mean to say Haywood? I don't remember Westhead being involved with drugs in the show. But Haywood did have a drug problem.
And Haywood's final drug related fallout with the Lakers is a pretty amazing story that I assume will be covered in the last two episodes.


It's been renewed for another season so maybe stretch it out.
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In reply to Teddy Perkins • 8:09p, 4/25/22
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TCTTS said:
Kareem's actual blog post.
Reading his actual blog, he's not wrong with most of his opinions.
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8:30a, 4/26/22
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Still loving the series and hate that it'll be over soon but I (finally) have a couple of gripes from the last episode:
  • One of the great choices the producers made was casting unknowns for the player parts. But, the guy they cast as Dr. J has been in a ton of stuff and so I could tell it was just him in a bad Dr. J wig.
  • The scene with Buss fondling the nurse in his car while he gave her a ride home came off as super cringey and made him seem like a sexual predator; especially given how he was using the emotion of his sick mother to take advantage of her. I think they were trying to make him seem like a 1970's playful rascal but the look on her face told me that she wasn't enjoying it at all. Reilly has done a good job of finding the balance between Buss being likeable and being a cheesy playboy. It doesn't necessarily seem off-brand for Buss but it sure made him seem like a predator.
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8:46a, 4/26/22
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The Magic doc on Apple is pretty good. Covers a lot of ground.


This show is much more entertaining though.
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In reply to Txmoe • 8:55a, 4/26/22
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Txmoe said:
Still loving the series and hate that it'll be over soon but I (finally) have a couple of gripes from the last episode:
  • One of the great choices the producers made was casting unknowns for the player parts. But, the guy they cast as Dr. J has been in a ton of stuff and so I could tell it was just him in a bad Dr. J wig.
  • The scene with Buss fondling the nurse in his car while he gave her a ride home came off as super cringey and made him seem like a sexual predator; especially given how he was using the emotion of his sick mother to take advantage of her. I think they were trying to make him seem like a 1970's playful rascal but the look on her face told me that she wasn't enjoying it at all. Reilly has done a good job of finding the balance between Buss being likeable and being a cheesy playboy. It doesn't necessarily seem off-brand for Buss but it sure made him seem like a predator.
I don't think that was Buss' intentions when he poured his heart out to her, it was almost like she was a mother figure he needed in that moment but then his instincts kicked in and he couldn't help himself, which is obviously awful and wrong on every level and sadly she's thinking "this is the price I have to pay for my son's education."
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2:27p, 4/26/22
well, this is an interesting response to West's claims:

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HBO has stayed mum until now. In a statement provided exclusively to The Hollywood Reporter, the network had this to say: "HBO has a long history of producing compelling content drawn from actual facts and events that are fictionalized in part for dramatic purposes. Winning Time is not a documentary and has not been presented as such. However, the series and its depictions are based on extensive factual research and reliable sourcing, and HBO stands resolutely behind our talented creators and cast who have brought a dramatization of this epic chapter in basketball history to the screen."

that bolded part sure seems like an unnecessary double-down.
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In reply to jackie childs • 2:33p, 4/26/22
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Especially when a number of other instances are provably false, particularly when it comes to how they reworked the schedule/games themselves. That, and, I mean, Jeannie Buss didn't join the Lakers organization until 1988. There are so many things like that. So yeah, doubling down on this "extensive factual research" claim seems like a really bad idea.
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3:39p, 4/26/22
Funny moment that I hope was on purpose...While watching Dr. J dunk on Kareem in the all-star game scene, Mark Landsberger makes the "that's so humiliating" comment. Remember that it was Landsberger who got left on the ground when Dr. J made the incredible one-handed, up and under reverse lay up that will be replayed forever.
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3:43p, 4/26/22
Jordan let Dr. J know when he came into the league what was coming

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In reply to BurnetAggie99 • 6:55p, 4/26/22
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BurnetAggie99 said:
Jordan let Dr. J know when he came into the league what was coming

Man I love me some early MJ with the classic Jordan's and dude could just fly and elevate better than anyone. Watch Doc actually lower his head as it's getting close to the rim.
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In reply to BurnetAggie99 • 8:46p, 4/26/22
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BurnetAggie99 said:
Jordan let Dr. J know when he came into the league what was coming



It's still amazing how quickly and how high Doc gets up from a defensive position after Jordan has already left the floor.
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1:50p, 4/28/22
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In reply to LawHall88 • 1:53p, 4/28/22
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In reply to LawHall88 • 2:00p, 4/28/22
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LawHall88 said:
And if that doesn't do it...



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In reply to Txmoe • 3:03p, 4/28/22
Txmoe said:
Still loving the series and hate that it'll be over soon but I (finally) have a couple of gripes from the last episode:
  • One of the great choices the producers made was casting unknowns for the player parts. But, the guy they cast as Dr. J has been in a ton of stuff and so I could tell it was just him in a bad Dr. J wig.
  • The scene with Buss fondling the nurse in his car while he gave her a ride home came off as super cringey and made him seem like a sexual predator; especially given how he was using the emotion of his sick mother to take advantage of her. I think they were trying to make him seem like a 1970's playful rascal but the look on her face told me that she wasn't enjoying it at all. Reilly has done a good job of finding the balance between Buss being likeable and being a cheesy playboy. It doesn't necessarily seem off-brand for Buss but it sure made him seem like a predator.
It seems like they were trying to insinuate wealthy men during that era wielded outsized power and abused it for sex, which isn't a necessary message in this show.

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On May 29, 2007, Buss was issued a citation for driving under the influence after two California Highway Patrol officers saw him driving his gold Mercedes-Benz on the wrong side of the road in the coastal community of Carlsbad in northern San Diego County, with a 23-year-old woman passenger.
He was 74 and had a 23 year old passenger? Guess he never slowed down.

Also found this:

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In the suit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court in 1987, Puppi Buss said that she had traveled and lived with Buss on and off for 15 years, cared for him when he was ill, and took Buss' last name at his request. She had sought an interest in the Lakers, the Los Angeles Kings--which Buss once owned--the Great Western Forum and other Buss holdings estimated at more than $250 million. Mitchelson filed a similar suit on behalf of Veronica Buss, who claimed that Buss married her while he was still wed to someone else. That case also was settled.

If that suit was filed in 1987, her relationship with him started around 1972. Buss definitely got around.
Wild West Pimp Style
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In reply to Another Doug • 3:47p, 4/28/22
Another Doug said:
LawHall88 said:
And if that doesn't do it...




Hold my beerā€¦.
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In reply to LawHall88 • 9:01p, 5/1/22
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LawHall88 said:
BowSowy said:
Did you mean to say Haywood? I don't remember Westhead being involved with drugs in the show. But Haywood did have a drug problem.
And Haywood's final drug related fallout with the Lakers is a pretty amazing story that I assume will be covered in the last two episodes.
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10:06p, 5/1/22
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Who knows how accurate it is, but the relationship between Buss and his mother is very well written and very well acted.
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7:15a, 5/2/22
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Sally Field showing the chops that won her multiple Academy Awards and Emmy's over the years. She's also got old momma's boy mom down - nominated for Forrest Gump nearly 30 years ago (albeit 2 different characters with VERY different sons)
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In reply to OldArmy71 • 9:33a, 5/2/22
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OldArmy71 said:
Who knows how accurate it is, but the relationship between Buss and his mother is very well written and very well acted.
It was some powerful stuff...to be honest I was hoping for fireworks this episode between McKinney and Riley/Westhead instead of the somewhat lame "I'm lost and I can't get up" stuff we got. Buss and his mom was so moving though it didn't really bother me that much.
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10:05a, 5/2/22
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I will say I'm kind of in and out on this series overall. I kind of lost interest after the first two for a bit, but watched 3-4 last night, and really enjoyed 4 in particular.

Have to say the grainy film look has gotten no less obnoxious and intrusive though. It really adds nothing to the show and is really distracting.

But it does feel like things are kind of clicking into place now, so looking forward to continuing.
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