I disagree that Jimmy created Kim. I think they created each other.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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TCTTS said:

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As for the episode itself, I thought it was incredible. I honestly didn't think they would let Jimmy/Gene go full Evil Saul. I thought surely he'd get his comeuppance, yes, but that Jimmy would eventually find his humanity again, even if in bittersweet fashion. Yet, now I can't imagine it going any other way than the cautionary tale he's become. In fact, something about that scene with Carol Burnett's character in the kitchen, as Jimmy slowly approached with the phone cord, felt almost instantly iconic, like some infamous villain out of a Coen Brothers movie from the '90s. It was just so incredibly perfect and so incredibly tense, and then, when it was all over, it hit me that KIM was the flawed hero all along. Jimmy was merely the devil on her shoulder who she let get the best of her, and this was a show about KIM eventually doing the right thing, not Jimmy. The guilt she felt, what she did to come clean… Jimmy will never do those things, and that's the point.

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Maybe so, but personally Kim's behavior has rubbed me the wrong way this past episode and I kind of understand Jimmy's perspective. Kim pushed him into their final con, suddenly has a come to Jesus moment years later and decides to come clean, throwing Jimmy under the bus too, and tries to guilt him into turning himself in.

IMO, just because she has seen the error of their ways doesn't give her the right to rat. IMHO.

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Agreed. And Kim we know is not enjoying her life.

Maybe Jimmy isn't exactly either but it is on his terms.

But again he did not push her into anything. In fact at several points where the con could have derailed and Jimmy was ready to drop it, it was Kim that had the breakthrough idea to keep them going or ran around like a chicken with her head cut off to salvage it when Jimmy told her to go do the right thing.

But certainly Gene seemed to dive in the deep end here on his own after the Kim conversation and you cannot fully blame that on her. A lot of my opinion is going to depend on the ending. He could be redeemed or he could go full measure.

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So is TCTTSSCTSX buried with Lalo and Howard now?

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Going on a week now

I bet he caught a month

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GD it

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I disagree that Jimmy created Kim. I think they created each other.

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I can buy that.

I guess I don't get why anyone would be mad at Kim for doing what she did this last episode, though.

Leaving Jimmy in episode 9 was the right thing to do.

Turning herself herself in, so to speak, in episode 12 was also the right thing to do.

So what if the former was the final straw that broke the camel's back, re: Jimmy going full Saul?

And so what if Kim wanting Jimmy to turn himself in as well pissed him off/puts him in even more trouble?

Kim and Jimmy being together was untenable. It literally led to the murder of an innocent man. In return, someone had to kill their relationship, and it was Kim who had the balls to do it. Sure, they fed off and may have even created each other, but in no way can I be upset with Kim for ending their relationship and ultimately coming clean. Also, Jimmy is a grown ass man. His decisions are ultimately his own.

I just gotta say, when this show is over, it's gonna hurt really bad. But little by little, it's going to hurt a little less until we eventually get through a day where we don't think about the fact it's over

DannyDuberstein said:

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I just gotta say, when this show is over, it's gonna hurt really bad. But little by little, it's going to hurt a little less until we eventually get through a day where we don't think about the fact it's over

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Well, there are ways of making things go away quicker.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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TCTTS said:

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As for the episode itself, I thought it was incredible. I honestly didn't think they would let Jimmy/Gene go full Evil Saul. I thought surely he'd get his comeuppance, yes, but that Jimmy would eventually find his humanity again, even if in bittersweet fashion. Yet, now I can't imagine it going any other way than the cautionary tale he's become. In fact, something about that scene with Carol Burnett's character in the kitchen, as Jimmy slowly approached with the phone cord, felt almost instantly iconic, like some infamous villain out of a Coen Brothers movie from the '90s. It was just so incredibly perfect and so incredibly tense, and then, when it was all over, it hit me that KIM was the flawed hero all along. Jimmy was merely the devil on her shoulder who she let get the best of her, and this was a show about KIM eventually doing the right thing, not Jimmy. The guilt she felt, what she did to come clean… Jimmy will never do those things, and that's the point.

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Maybe so, but personally Kim's behavior has rubbed me the wrong way this past episode and I kind of understand Jimmy's perspective. Kim pushed him into their final con, suddenly has a come to Jesus moment years later and decides to come clean, throwing Jimmy under the bus too, and tries to guilt him into turning himself in.

IMO, just because she has seen the error of their ways doesn't give her the right to rat. IMHO.

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I hear you, but I disagree. They both did something horrible, and I don't see why there should honor among thieves in this particular instance. Kim is doing the right thing now, and who cares if Jimmy is now in even more trouble because of it? She owes him nothing. And sure, it was Kim who ultimately pushed Jimmy to go through with their final con, but at that point Kim was the monster that Jimmy created. She doesn't become that version of herself without Jimmy's influence to begin with.

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I do think they were toxic for each other, but I think they both pushed each other to become monsterous versions of themselves. it was not a onesided transaction
Whatever life she has created in Florida, that is definitley not who she really is. Its an act.

What I really loved about that phone cord scene, is we don't truly know if he was just going to tie her up or actually strangle her to save himself. I also think the fact that he did let go of her life alert indicates he actually wasnt ready/able to step over that final line of morality.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I disagree that Jimmy created Kim. I think they created each other.

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I am shocked that you could think that after seeing all the Slippin Jimmy flashbacks and hearing tales told by Chuck or Jimmy himself about Jimmy's past. Whereas with Kim we did see she stole a necklace ONCE as a young kid but that was it as far as ever engaging in scams before meeting Jimmy. As Chuck said, Jimmy simply can't help himself. Kim could help herself, but did have something in her that allowed her to go along if the person she loved was trying to involve her in it - she found it exciting and wanted to keep Jimmy happy.

I agree Kim seemed to be pushing harder with the Howard scam, but Jimmy's objections seemed for show and trying to protect her (not saying he didn't want to do it) while I took her pushing as a response to trying to get Jimmy out of desert PTSD and keep him distracted with something he's always liked to do.

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Well, that only means they showed us one time she took part in a scam as a kid.

This.

I always figured this was just to show us where Kim started, but I never doubted she basically became her mom in her later adolescence.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I disagree that Jimmy created Kim. I think they created each other.

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I am shocked that you could think that after seeing all the Slippin Jimmy flashbacks and hearing tales told by Chuck or Jimmy himself about Jimmy's past. Whereas with Kim we did see she stole a necklace ONCE as a young kid but that was it as far as ever engaging in scams before meeting Jimmy. As Chuck said, Jimmy simply can't help himself. Kim could help herself, but did have something in her that allowed her to go along if the person she loved was trying to involve her in it - she found it exciting and wanted to keep Jimmy happy.

I agree Kim seemed to be pushing harder with the Howard scam, but Jimmy's objections seemed for show and trying to protect her (not saying he didn't want to do it) while I took her pushing as a response to trying to get Jimmy out of desert PTSD and keep him distracted with something he's always liked to do.

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Well, that only means they showed us one time she took part in a scam as a kid.

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We have what the writers give us.

I don't see how you could hear about scams Jimmy ran on his own parents (embezzling leading to store closure and perhaps dad's death), seeing flashbacks where he runs cons with Marco, knowing WHY he is called Slippin Jimmy (ice scam), hearing about the Chicago sunroof, seeing him try to scam the Kettleman's back (with no Kim influence)

- and then weigh that against one clip of Kim stealing earrings as a 12 year old -

And come up with a balanced scale showing they equally influenced each other. I just don't see that given what the writers have put on the screen.

During their first scam "together", Jimmy forces a reluctant Kim into conning some dude in a bar. He didn't ask her, and put her on the spot, and she seemed uncomfortable initially. However, once she went along she did show a strong skill at improvising lies and she said later it was fun. Jimmy would have run that scam no matter who he was with, or if he was alone, I argue Kim only did that due to liking Jimmy and being put on the spot.

In later episodes he tries to impress Kim by going straight - no scams, taking job at law firm. We see Kim try to impress him by engaging in hijinks. Both doing it out of love for the other, and we see Jimmy could be a good straight lawyer and Kim could be a good con woman. But Jimmy has always been a scammer, as Chuck knew, and tried to be a lawyer in trying to make Chuck respect him. Kim had always tried to shoot past her poor upbringing or working in a mail room and was having great success before Jimmy corrupted her or at least brought out something she could control without his influence.

DannyDuberstein said:

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I just gotta say, when this show is over, it's gonna hurt really bad. But little by little, it's going to hurt a little less until we eventually get through a day where we don't think about the fact it's over

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- You wake up every day and it hurts a little less, and then you wake up one day and it doesn't hurt at all. The funny thing is it's almost like you miss that pain.

- You miss the pain?

- Yeah. For the same reason that you miss the Breaking Bad Universe. Because you lived with it for so long.

Kim got off on running those scams. It rustled her jimmies. Once she got a taste of that high she kept chasing it. Now her life is in black and white.

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Kim files an affidavit with the DA.

How long before that leaks?

Is there anyone alive that would come after Kim to keep her from testifying as to the facts contained in the affidavit?

Assuming the DA brings the case.

Who is left alive to seek retribution against Kim?

… or Saul for that matter.

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No one cares. They made that pretty clear.

36 minutes of AMC promo commercials

Kim might end up under the floor of the meth lab next to Lalo and Howard.

Would Gus have a reason to come after Kim?

What does Kim know that could hurt Gus?

Gus ain't gonna risk the whole operation.

Maybe Mike takes out Kim.

A lot could happen in an hour 38 minutes.

That's enough time to squeeze in at least a 30 minute flashback about how the lab was completed.

Bill Burr kills Kim.