*** Better Call Saul - Season 6 ***

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bigjag19 said:

He'll always be the guy that tried to steal Kelly.

But yeah, interesting point that maybe he doesn't drink caffeine at all.


Maybe he's allergic. Maybe that kills him. That would drive Kim away, in some shape or form.
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Still for the life of me don't know why they both hate Howard so much.
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Can't believe how bad the production value is on this show. Neither the breville espresso machine nor the printer were period correct.

Just such an embarrassment
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Complete Idiot said:

bigjag19 said:

He'll always be the guy that tried to steal Kelly.

But yeah, interesting point that maybe he doesn't drink caffeine at all.


Maybe he's allergic. Maybe that kills him. That would drive Kim away, in some shape or form.

Doesn't drink caffeine, one of the sticky notes says red bull and he's not sleeping well in the guest house. All leading toward Howard freaking out on csffine, lack of sleep and pupil dilation.
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I didn't catch this myself but I read somewhere that when he makes the espresso for his wife that Howard makes himself some tea. And clearly two of his former employees would know of details like this, especially when they started in the mailroom.

EDIT- Looks like someone already posted this info on the previous page.
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Btron said:

Complete Idiot said:

bigjag19 said:

He'll always be the guy that tried to steal Kelly.

But yeah, interesting point that maybe he doesn't drink caffeine at all.


Maybe he's allergic. Maybe that kills him. That would drive Kim away, in some shape or form.

Doesn't drink caffeine, one of the sticky notes says red bull and he's not sleeping well in the guest house. All leading toward Howard freaking out on csffine, lack of sleep and pupil dilation.
Sounds like he could become so excited, yet also so scared.
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I love this post more than I should
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Take your votes.

A) Kim is dead
B) Kim moves to Mexico or Europe to **** Lalo
C) Kim vacuums to Omaha
D) Kim keeps her identity, remains in hiding
E) Kim is living with Jimmy this entire time throughout and after BB
F) other: ________________

I say E. C as my backup.

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D, but with a caveat. Kim keeps her identity, but isn't "in hiding." She just gets publicly humiliated, disbarred, and maybe even faces criminal charges, but ultimately moves back to Nebraska on her own accord, and basically, at the time of the Gene storyline, is working some sad, sh*tty job, potentially in Omaha.

That said, I don't know where the Lalo of it all comes into play, as it pertains to Kim. Or if it even has to. I'm fairly confident in the broad strokes of the above scenario, but admit that the Lalo of it all could and probably will throw a wrench in things.
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I think the Lalo/Kim paths stay divergent. Gus has some high level kills and maybe they tipped their hand with the gun stashing. We didn't see the poison in the tequila but he had obviously already planned that out. The gun shows his planning and he gets to plant Lalo AND let him know it before he kills him.

Kim is just going to be humiliated in the ABQ scene, she's already burned the bridge with Cliff by turning around. Unless she is the brains behind Saul and completely turns to be the Cartel lawyer badass. That would be sort of cool.

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Ghost of Bizbee said:

Take your votes.

A) Kim is dead
B) Kim moves to Mexico or Europe to **** Lalo
C) Kim vacuums to Omaha
D) Kim keeps her identity, remains in hiding
E) Kim is living with Jimmy this entire time throughout and after BB
F) other: ________________

I say E. C as my backup.

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F. She's in prison.
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In the final scene of the series we see Gene, wearing his Cinnabon uniform, slump into his lazy boy and start to watch VHS recordings of his old commercials. Soon after, Kim, wearing a Dog on a Stick uniform, comes in and sits down on the couch next to Gene. They give each other a wistful look and the scene fades to black.
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Ghost of Bizbee said:

Take your votes.

A) Kim is dead
B) Kim moves to Mexico or Europe to **** Lalo
C) Kim vacuums to Omaha
D) Kim keeps her identity, remains in hiding
E) Kim is living with Jimmy this entire time throughout and after BB
F) other: ________________

I say E. C as my backup.

Status Monitor Repairman says B
We will not know the answer to this question after Monday's episode, BUT my prediction is F: she vacuums to somewhere other than Omaha under the alias Laura Montoya. But she runs into Jimmy when she goes to Omaha for her mother's funeral looking like:

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Belton Ag said:

In the final scene of the series we see Gene, wearing his Cinnabon uniform, slump into his lazy boy and start to watch VHS recordings of his old commercials. Soon after, Kim, wearing a Dog on a Stick uniform, comes in and sits down on the couch next to Gene. They give each other a wistful look and the scene fades to black.


I'd be Ok with that

It means I'd be right
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Where'd you pull this pic from
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Ghost of Bizbee said:

Take your votes.

A) Kim is dead
B) Kim moves to Mexico or Europe to **** Lalo
C) Kim vacuums to Omaha
D) Kim keeps her identity, remains in hiding
E) Kim is living with Jimmy this entire time throughout and after BB
F) other: ________________

I say E. C as my backup.

Status Monitor Repairman says B
It's too bad Robert Forster died. It would be awesome to see Kim retain his services and have the vacuum guy send her to Hawaii or Florida or something to live on the beach. Would give a whole new context to Saul's background with him in BB.
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Still wood
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Photoshop on the bcs subreddit.
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Title of the next episode is Plan & Execution. Obviously, execution will likely have a double meaning. Predictions on who is going down?

A) Lalo
B) Casper
C) Kim
D) Howard

I think it's B (off-screen) and D, in a very dark way.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Still for the life of me don't know why they both hate Howard so much.
Howard set that in motion with the way he gave Jimmy the cold shoulder on joining HHM and for demoting Kim every time something happened with Jimmy. Sure, ultimately it was Chuck pulling the strings and Howard had to put on a cold face and go along, but that created demons. HHM represents Jimmy and Kim being held back by those who will never truly accept them...the big machine that always wins.
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Belton Ag said:

In the final scene of the series we see Gene, wearing his Cinnabon uniform, slump into his lazy boy and start to watch VHS recordings of his old commercials. Soon after, Kim, wearing a Dog on a Stick uniform, comes in and sits down on the couch next to Gene. They give each other a wistful look and the scene fades to black.
That would be appropriate.

Still holding out hope they find a way to Belize where they can spend the rest of their lives conning tourists as Viktor and Giselle.
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Gigem314 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Still for the life of me don't know why they both hate Howard so much.
Howard set that in motion with the way he gave Jimmy the cold shoulder on joining HHM and for demoting Kim every time something happened with Jimmy. Sure, ultimately it was Chuck pulling the strings and Howard had to put on a cold face and go along, but that created demons. HHM represents Jimmy and Kim being held back by those who will never truly accept them...the big machine that always wins.
Asked that question myself for a long time. Added to what Gigem314 said, Jimmy and Kim are trying to ruin Howard's reputation to force him to settle the Sandpiper lawsuit sooner than he wants to. Plus the grift keeps their marriage interesting.

It's a great moral question: Would you ruin the career and reputation of a d-bag for several million dollars?
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The fact that he willingly took part in Chuck's scheme to screw over Jimmy should be enough.
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Teddy Perkins said:

Title of the next episode is Plan & Execution. Obviously, execution will likely have a double meaning. Predictions on who is going down?

A) Lalo
B) Casper
C) Kim
D) Howard

I think it's B (off-screen) and D, in a very dark way.


I think Lalo dies in the current timeline, but they will only off him in the next episode if the second half of the season covers the Gene timeline.
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Txmoe said:

Gigem314 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Still for the life of me don't know why they both hate Howard so much.
Howard set that in motion with the way he gave Jimmy the cold shoulder on joining HHM and for demoting Kim every time something happened with Jimmy. Sure, ultimately it was Chuck pulling the strings and Howard had to put on a cold face and go along, but that created demons. HHM represents Jimmy and Kim being held back by those who will never truly accept them...the big machine that always wins.
Asked that question myself for a long time. Added to what Gigem314 said, Jimmy and Kim are trying to ruin Howard's reputation to force him to settle the Sandpiper lawsuit sooner than he wants to. Plus the grift keeps their marriage interesting.

It's a great moral question: Would you ruin the career and reputation of a d-bag for several million dollars?


Yes.

Next question
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Gigem314 said:

Belton Ag said:

In the final scene of the series we see Gene, wearing his Cinnabon uniform, slump into his lazy boy and start to watch VHS recordings of his old commercials. Soon after, Kim, wearing a Dog on a Stick uniform, comes in and sits down on the couch next to Gene. They give each other a wistful look and the scene fades to black.
That would be appropriate.

Still holding out hope they find a way to Belize where they can spend the rest of their lives conning tourists as Viktor and Giselle.

But if you look at how the writers have approached both Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, do you think the writers feel Jimmy and Kim DESERVE that happy ending? Are they making decisions in their lives that should lead to a redeeming end?

Generally, in both series, when the characters make decisions to engage with the drug trade things don't end well for them. Or for someone like Jesse, they go through hell on earth before, possibly, having a reasonably OK ending.

They've invested a LOT in the Jimmy and Kim characters, they've given us plenty of reasons to like both and be sympathetic to them. However, they've also continued to have both characters make harmful, self destructive decisions.

We'll see if they give these characters some type of post-BB happy ending, but they will most likely make the characters suffer first even if that is the end.
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That's the thing though. IS he really a d-bag?

All of the resentment was built up because Jimmy and Kim didn't know Chuck was the one truly holding him back.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

That's the thing though. IS he really a d-bag?

All of the resentment was built up because Jimmy and Kim didn't know Chuck was the one truly holding him back.
Hamlin was also born into money, got his job through it being his dad's firm, and comes across as uptight and pretentious - definitely not a fun, free wheeling guy like Jimmy. There is probably some resentment building when you work in the mailroom and watch the dandy son of the firm's founder skate through life (in their eyes).
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Complete Idiot said:

Gigem314 said:

Belton Ag said:

In the final scene of the series we see Gene, wearing his Cinnabon uniform, slump into his lazy boy and start to watch VHS recordings of his old commercials. Soon after, Kim, wearing a Dog on a Stick uniform, comes in and sits down on the couch next to Gene. They give each other a wistful look and the scene fades to black.
That would be appropriate.

Still holding out hope they find a way to Belize where they can spend the rest of their lives conning tourists as Viktor and Giselle.

But if you look at how the writers have approached both Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, do you think the writers feel Jimmy and Kim DESERVE that happy ending? Are they making decisions in their lives that should lead to a redeeming end?

Generally, in both series, when the characters make decisions to engage with the drug trade things don't end well for them. Or for someone like Jesse, they go through hell on earth before, possibly, having a reasonably OK ending.

They've invested a LOT in the Jimmy and Kim characters, they've given us plenty of reasons to like both and be sympathetic to them. However, they've also continued to have both characters make harmful, self destructive decisions.

We'll see if they give these characters some type of post-BB happy ending, but they will most likely make the characters suffer first even if that is the end.
Honestly, no they do not deserve a happy ending. the BB franchise really romanticizes bad people/criminals (remember Mike's speech to Pryce about good criminals and bad law-abiding citizens?)

I also don't see how there can be a happy ending. The entire BB/BCS story is, ultimately, a tragedy. It really doesn't end well for anyone. Everyone is either a victim of their own actions, or someone else's.

If anything, the best ending would be Jimmy/Gene making peace with his past and moving forward in a positive way, like Jesse did in El Camino. Hoping the same for Kim, because her future looks ominous.
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Ghost of Bizbee said:

Take your votes.

A) Kim is dead
B) Kim moves to Mexico or Europe to **** Lalo
C) Kim vacuums to Omaha
D) Kim keeps her identity, remains in hiding
E) Kim is living with Jimmy this entire time throughout and after BB
F) other: ________________

I say E. C as my backup.

Status Monitor Repairman says B
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Jimmy and Kim succeed in their plan. Howard loses his case, marriage, job, and respect of his peers. Howard successfully pulls off what Lane Pryce failed at and kills himself with the fumes of his Jaguar. Jimmy uses that guilt and money to turn full Saul. Kim can't take the guilt and leaves.
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I don't really have a prediction. I'm certainly curious how this plays out but I don't have a clue what is going to happen.

I could however buy Quad Dog's guess there. I don't think Jimmy and Kim know everything that is going on with Howard. He's putting on a good face but I think there is a storm underneath it all. This could drive him to end it all and Jimmy and Kim go their separate ways.
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Complete Idiot said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

That's the thing though. IS he really a d-bag?

All of the resentment was built up because Jimmy and Kim didn't know Chuck was the one truly holding him back.
Hamlin was also born into money, got his job through it being his dad's firm, and comes across as uptight and pretentious - definitely not a fun, free wheeling guy like Jimmy. There is probably some resentment building when you work in the mailroom and watch the dandy son of the firm's founder skate through life (in their eyes).


But to me none of that justifies what they are doing. Of course, that's the point.
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