And I said it long before that. Yet no gloating.aTmAg said:But everybody was already going after Nacho. Lalo didn't need to go help out on that.Teddy Perkins said:I understand that theory but to me the hole in it is why wouldn't Lalo go with the coyotes back across the border to the states then? To me it seems that Lalo's epiphany on the phone was that he needed to find Nacho and get him to admit Gus set him up.TCTTS said:
Latest Ringer podcast thinks it's Lalo in the black car at the end of episode two, following Jimmy and Kim, and that they're his "proof."
I think Hamlin may already be onto Saul stashing the coke in his locker and may have hired his own PI to follow him around.
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I was giving him a hard time, having a laugh, etc. You should try it sometime. I'm not *actually* taking it seriously, nor do I consider myself smarter when it comes to something as dumb and inconsequential as this. The amount of sh*t I've gotten wrong when it comes to predictions on this forum could fill a book.
Though, I do find it hilarious that both you and Spilner felt the need to *also* say you were first, while in effect boasting that you didn't boast.
Though, I do find it hilarious that both you and Spilner felt the need to *also* say you were first, while in effect boasting that you didn't boast.
Let's keep the thread on topic and not turn this into a pissing match derail.
TCTTS shows his lack of humor again.
Binging prevents speculation, speculation between weekly episodes is kinda fun but also sort of pointless. I can dream up lots of scenarios that kind of make sense, but better just to wait and watch what the writers do probably. Having said that......
I have no idea what Lalo is going to do and where he is at when BCS ends - above or below ground, in jail, ?? It would seem fitting if Mike was the one that killed him, if he ends up dead. Seeing as how Nacho and Gus almost had Lalo killed, I am not sure Lalo can move on with the "it's just business" approach - he's a Salamanca and wants revenge. He could go after Gus and get killed by Mike, he could go after Nacho's dad and get killed by Mike, who knows. Not sure why the dad would ever be in the storyline again though, I am not sure even the cartel cares about family member revenge if the family member isn't in the game and the relative who was in the game, who would be hurt or manipulated by the threat to their family, is now dead.
The DA's office is on to Saul and his representation of Lalo, they think Saul is now a cartel lawyer, and so they could be having Jimmy/Kim tailed. But I kind of think Howard may have something to do with it, and he's fighting back against the Jimmy antics. Preview for episode 4 hinted at what might be revealed in this storyline. No Lalo in the preview for episode 4, but maybe he appears anyway - Gus appears to be gearing up for something.
Is interesting to look at the viewership for BCS over the seasons - steady drop off from season 1 to season 6. For a great, great show - so what does that say? More competition? More people just hold off and binge? How do networks justify costs and keeping shows on air, do they get enough from Netflix and streaming due to the bingers to justify budgets?
I have no idea what Lalo is going to do and where he is at when BCS ends - above or below ground, in jail, ?? It would seem fitting if Mike was the one that killed him, if he ends up dead. Seeing as how Nacho and Gus almost had Lalo killed, I am not sure Lalo can move on with the "it's just business" approach - he's a Salamanca and wants revenge. He could go after Gus and get killed by Mike, he could go after Nacho's dad and get killed by Mike, who knows. Not sure why the dad would ever be in the storyline again though, I am not sure even the cartel cares about family member revenge if the family member isn't in the game and the relative who was in the game, who would be hurt or manipulated by the threat to their family, is now dead.
The DA's office is on to Saul and his representation of Lalo, they think Saul is now a cartel lawyer, and so they could be having Jimmy/Kim tailed. But I kind of think Howard may have something to do with it, and he's fighting back against the Jimmy antics. Preview for episode 4 hinted at what might be revealed in this storyline. No Lalo in the preview for episode 4, but maybe he appears anyway - Gus appears to be gearing up for something.
Is interesting to look at the viewership for BCS over the seasons - steady drop off from season 1 to season 6. For a great, great show - so what does that say? More competition? More people just hold off and binge? How do networks justify costs and keeping shows on air, do they get enough from Netflix and streaming due to the bingers to justify budgets?
While I agree that in BCS, the Nacho storyline is probably finished, the real life Mexican cartel has no problem killing random civilians. There is a POS cartel guy in jail right now who chopped up a 6 year old girl with an axe in front of her parents (while laughing).
BB and BCS underplay the cruelty of the cartels (it would be difficult or impossible to watch if they showed any of that).
BB and BCS underplay the cruelty of the cartels (it would be difficult or impossible to watch if they showed any of that).
interview with Michael MandoQuote:
It was an incredible episode, beautifully written and directed by Gordon Smith, full of symbolism. The last meal, the last goodbye, the trial of a man's heart, like when the ancient Egyptians would weigh your heart against the weight of a feather and figure out what is it you stood for. The writing had given me such an unbelievable opportunity to do a character that was going through something incredible physically, psychologically, emotionally, but also spiritually. It was amazing to seep my actual body into that darkness and to come out of that tanker in the middle of the night with the star-filled sky, to literally wash myself off and clean myself of all that darkness by this abandoned gas station on the side of a highway. To stand there in front of all these future-dead men and to look up at the sky and yell out what I believe in and to sacrifice my life for that morality and virtue, I feel like a really lucky actor who's been given this dream role. I'm eternally grateful that it will forever live in pop culture.
This episode, in a strange way, is Nacho's lowest and highest point at the same time. It's the one where life treats him the most unfairly, but strangely it's when he feels the most whole because he has no doubt of who he is in that moment.
Watched Nacho's last hurrah again.
Throughout the episode Michael Mando portrayed a frightened, desperate, problem solving, caring, resolved, and defiant Nacho. Emmy…give it to him.
Throughout the episode Michael Mando portrayed a frightened, desperate, problem solving, caring, resolved, and defiant Nacho. Emmy…give it to him.
This may be a dumb question but I cant help but wonder if there was any way out for Nacho that lets him stay alive. Could he not just skip town? Or would that put his dad too much at risk? Either from Gus or the Salamancas.
Clearly Gus's secret is safe... for now. Lalo knows, Hector knows. It will come out. Was it necessary for Nacho to take the secret to the grave?
Clearly Gus's secret is safe... for now. Lalo knows, Hector knows. It will come out. Was it necessary for Nacho to take the secret to the grave?
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Unfortunately with my background, this bothered me a little too much and we would need the Mythbusters on it like they did for the Cadillac trunk gun and the HF acid tests.torrid said:Yeah, I'm going need to have that one explained to me.YNWA_AG said:
This Opening reminds me I'm not smart enough for this show sometimes
Is it even possible to survive total immersion in crude oil?
Even with the rotted out portions of the tanker that Nacho was peering through, inside that tank the air would be pretty high levels of hydrocarbons with a great chance of forcing out enough oxygen to make it pretty dangerous if not IDLH. When he stuck his head in and immediately coughed and gagged, not good. Then he spends minutes in there, then he immerses, then he spends more time until dark? This is a text book version of confined space which is a ten commandment type rule in environmental. Even with crude oil, in a truck rusted out that bad, it very likely would be putting off enough vapors that Nacho wouldn't have lasted 45 seconds and that's just a WAG.
Other than that, loved that he got to give it to Hector with both barrels, cool shot of showing blood in his palm to cut the zip tie so he could grab Bolsa. Also agree with the other opinion, I know the twins are crazy, but putting a gun in Hector's hand would be having me hauling ass quickly.
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Also, was that the same cabin and location when Mike was ready to shoot someone and Gus essentially told him "no"?
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I recognized it as well. Or thought I did anyway.Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
Also, was that the same cabin and location when Mike was ready to shoot someone and Gus essentially told him "no"?
It was a humourous reply to a humourous post...
Michael Mando's performance was one of the best I have ever seen in many years of watching TV. I hope he gets an emmy.
That interview with him shows his intelligence and understanding of art. Very deep actor.
That interview with him shows his intelligence and understanding of art. Very deep actor.
The Emmys have been strange about this show. No nominations for Michael McKean or Rhea Seehorn in years they arguably should've won the Emmy, no win throughout the years for Jonathan Banks or Bob Odenkirk (though plenty of nominations), and pretty much no major awards that I can think of.
Granted, it probably has tougher competition than Breaking Bad ever did, but at this point it seems doubtful this show gets any meaningful recognition at the Emmys.
And this year it'll be up against Succession, so it's got a tough road for acting wins.
Granted, it probably has tougher competition than Breaking Bad ever did, but at this point it seems doubtful this show gets any meaningful recognition at the Emmys.
And this year it'll be up against Succession, so it's got a tough road for acting wins.
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This may be a dumb question but I cant help but wonder if there was any way out for Nacho that lets him stay alive. Could he not just skip town? Or would that put his dad too much at risk? Either from Gus or the Salamancas.
Clearly Gus's secret is safe... for now. Lalo knows, Hector knows. It will come out. Was it necessary for Nacho to take the secret to the grave?
Yes, because Gus would have his father otherwise.
Good to know, thanksaTmAg said:
While I agree that in BCS, the Nacho storyline is probably finished, the real life Mexican cartel has no problem killing random civilians. There is a POS cartel guy in jail right now who chopped up a 6 year old girl with an axe in front of her parents (while laughing).
BB and BCS underplay the cruelty of the cartels (it would be difficult or impossible to watch if they showed any of that).
You are welcome. I can go into more examples if you like. Like forced gladiator fights to the death and whatnot.PatAg said:Good to know, thanksaTmAg said:
While I agree that in BCS, the Nacho storyline is probably finished, the real life Mexican cartel has no problem killing random civilians. There is a POS cartel guy in jail right now who chopped up a 6 year old girl with an axe in front of her parents (while laughing).
BB and BCS underplay the cruelty of the cartels (it would be difficult or impossible to watch if they showed any of that).
Fever dream:
Lalo returns to the US, he's sure that Nacho's father (Manuel) would know what his son is doing and will threaten Manuel to get the information about Fring that he wants. Manuel becomes aware of Lalo's intent and realizes his fate is sealed. At that moment of realization, he lowers his head and says something like "I'm too old for this ****" or "I try to get out and they keep pulling me back in", something super cliched, and then accesses a secret room in the back of his upholstery shop via a hidden door. The room is lined with weapons, newspaper clippings with headlines like "mysterious gunmen slaughters 13 cartel members" and "Mexico ends DNA Splicing program intended to create super soldier" and such, commendations from the Mexican government, etc. Manuel gears up, presses some type of button hidden in his hairline, and his eyes begin to glow red. Then blah blah blah he singlehandedly finds and kills Lalo (probably adding his tagline of "I'm hell for the cartel"), fights through 40 guys to stand face to face with Eladio and states "this ends NOW", and you can probably fill in all the details.
This will take up the next 4 episodes, getting us to the midway point of the season.
Lalo returns to the US, he's sure that Nacho's father (Manuel) would know what his son is doing and will threaten Manuel to get the information about Fring that he wants. Manuel becomes aware of Lalo's intent and realizes his fate is sealed. At that moment of realization, he lowers his head and says something like "I'm too old for this ****" or "I try to get out and they keep pulling me back in", something super cliched, and then accesses a secret room in the back of his upholstery shop via a hidden door. The room is lined with weapons, newspaper clippings with headlines like "mysterious gunmen slaughters 13 cartel members" and "Mexico ends DNA Splicing program intended to create super soldier" and such, commendations from the Mexican government, etc. Manuel gears up, presses some type of button hidden in his hairline, and his eyes begin to glow red. Then blah blah blah he singlehandedly finds and kills Lalo (probably adding his tagline of "I'm hell for the cartel"), fights through 40 guys to stand face to face with Eladio and states "this ends NOW", and you can probably fill in all the details.
This will take up the next 4 episodes, getting us to the midway point of the season.
Surely you recognize the sarcasm? I don't think any of us want to hear about cartel violence, we all know how bad it is.
Something something appropriate usernameComplete Idiot said:
Fever dream:
Lalo returns to the US, he's sure that Nacho's father (Manuel) would know what his son is doing and will threaten Manuel to get the information about Fring that he wants. Manuel becomes aware of Lalo's intent and realizes his fate is sealed. At that moment of realization, he lowers his head and says something like "I'm too old for this ****" or "I try to get out and they keep pulling me back in", something super cliched, and then accesses a secret room in the back of his upholstery shop via a hidden door. The room is lined with weapons, newspaper clippings with headlines like "mysterious gunmen slaughters 13 cartel members" and "Mexico ends DNA Splicing program intended to create super soldier" and such, commendations from the Mexican government, etc. Manuel gears up, presses some type of button hidden in his hairline, and his eyes begin to glow red. Then blah blah blah he singlehandedly finds and kills Lalo (probably adding his tagline of "I'm hell for the cartel"), fights through 40 guys to stand face to face with Eladio and states "this ends NOW", and you can probably fill in all the details.
This will take up the next 4 episodes, getting us to the midway point of the season.
Know Your Enemy said:Something something appropriate usernameComplete Idiot said:
Fever dream:
Lalo returns to the US, he's sure that Nacho's father (Manuel) would know what his son is doing and will threaten Manuel to get the information about Fring that he wants. Manuel becomes aware of Lalo's intent and realizes his fate is sealed. At that moment of realization, he lowers his head and says something like "I'm too old for this ****" or "I try to get out and they keep pulling me back in", something super cliched, and then accesses a secret room in the back of his upholstery shop via a hidden door. The room is lined with weapons, newspaper clippings with headlines like "mysterious gunmen slaughters 13 cartel members" and "Mexico ends DNA Splicing program intended to create super soldier" and such, commendations from the Mexican government, etc. Manuel gears up, presses some type of button hidden in his hairline, and his eyes begin to glow red. Then blah blah blah he singlehandedly finds and kills Lalo (probably adding his tagline of "I'm hell for the cartel"), fights through 40 guys to stand face to face with Eladio and states "this ends NOW", and you can probably fill in all the details.
This will take up the next 4 episodes, getting us to the midway point of the season.
tldr - 2 busy writing screenplays
Same.
My wife and I both work in oil/gas and it was really hard to turn our brains off for that scene. Zero chance that could have happened and him live to climb out of that tanker.
They're usually pretty good about being realistic IMO, but that one was too much and was a distraction.
Other than that, great episode. Nacho was a fantastic character
My wife and I both work in oil/gas and it was really hard to turn our brains off for that scene. Zero chance that could have happened and him live to climb out of that tanker.
They're usually pretty good about being realistic IMO, but that one was too much and was a distraction.
Other than that, great episode. Nacho was a fantastic character
I had a bigger issue with the fact that the tanker looked like it had been out there a long time, had multiple openings on top, and the interior looked completely clean other than the old (how old?) oil. That wasn't a desert setting and there was no water or vegetation inside, no animal or wasp nests. SHOW IS FAKE.
One recurring trait of Mike, at least in the BCS timeline, is a dislike of harming civilians like Nacho's father. People who are "in the game" have chosen that lifestyle, so they take the risks along with that. I don't think we have seen the last of Nacho's father and Mike.aTmAg said:
While I agree that in BCS, the Nacho storyline is probably finished, the real life Mexican cartel has no problem killing random civilians. There is a POS cartel guy in jail right now who chopped up a 6 year old girl with an axe in front of her parents (while laughing).
BB and BCS underplay the cruelty of the cartels (it would be difficult or impossible to watch if they showed any of that).
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Complete Idiot said:
I had a bigger issue with the fact that the tanker looked like it had been out there a long time, had multiple openings on top, and the interior looked completely clean other than the old (how old?) oil. That wasn't a desert setting and there was no water or vegetation inside, no animal or wasp nests. SHOW IS FAKE.
Easy there, was just postulating on a previous poster's question. It was obviously a pretty big plot item and I wasn't trying to drill down to flora and fauna. But each wouldn't have found the environment too conducive just like Nacho.
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Man, I know it'll never happen, but I so wish they'd sell packages to take you and a friend out to Albuquerque for a Saturday and do a 2 hr role play with your choice of working with Kim/Jimmy on a scam or a Mike/Nacho/Salamanca cartel mission written by the show directors. Afterwards a quick photo op and pint and you're on your way home. They could charge $10K minimum and people would buy it.
It would have been an awesome promo leading up to S6.
Ive obviously thought way too much about this, but you have to admit it'd be ****ing cool
As much as I like the cockfighting and soon to be bans on this thread, I need more validation for this idea.
Shameless plug. An agency needs to pitch this to AMC. Who owns the rights to the characters and show? AMC or Sony? AMC, right?
I guess you didn't recognize my sarcasm either.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Surely you recognize the sarcasm? I don't think any of us want to hear about cartel violence, we all know how bad it is.
Ghost of Bizbee said:Ghost of Bizbee said:
Man, I know it'll never happen, but I so wish they'd sell packages to take you and a friend out to Albuquerque for a Saturday and do a 2 hr role play with your choice of working with Kim/Jimmy on a scam or a Mike/Nacho/Salamanca cartel mission written by the show directors. Afterwards a quick photo op and pint and you're on your way home. They could charge $10K minimum and people would buy it.
It would have been an awesome promo leading up to S6.
Ive obviously thought way too much about this, but you have to admit it'd be ****ing cool
As much as I like the cockfighting and soon to be bans on this thread, I need more validation for this idea.
Shameless plug. An agency needs to pitch this to AMC. Who owns the rights to the characters and show? AMC or Sony? AMC, right?
Shut up and take my money.img
I'm just making fun of myself for even thinking, while watching a TV drama, about how the inside of a tanker would look if abandoned for years in Mexico, not intended as making light of the hydrocarbon in confined space comments. Agree he went from immediately coughing due to the air and then submerging himself in it pretty effortlessly - but I try to turn that critical part of my brain off, it's TV.
BTW, I'm not sure if the writers go into this sort of thought, but Mike was a cop in Philadelphia which was under the NY mafia umbrella. They followed the American brand of Cosa Nostra which banned killing of civilians. Because of that, American mafia guys considered themselves more upstanding than their Sicilian counterparts (and the Cartels). So I can see why Mike would be extra disgusted with the idea of killing civilians compared to cartel guys.torrid said:One recurring trait of Mike, at least in the BCS timeline, is a dislike of harming civilians like Nacho's father. People who are "in the game" have chosen that lifestyle, so they take the risks along with that. I don't think we have seen the last of Nacho's father and Mike.aTmAg said:
While I agree that in BCS, the Nacho storyline is probably finished, the real life Mexican cartel has no problem killing random civilians. There is a POS cartel guy in jail right now who chopped up a 6 year old girl with an axe in front of her parents (while laughing).
BB and BCS underplay the cruelty of the cartels (it would be difficult or impossible to watch if they showed any of that).
I've got to think we are overdue for a flash-forward to Saul managing the Cinnabon, with him reaching out to the cabby you IDed him at some point.
I think that's the opening of Part 2 of the season.
Yeah. Too bad we didn't get to see any of Gene, though I suspect they will do a flashforward with him at the beginning of part 2.
I picture Gene managing the Cinnabon after that scare he had with the cab driver recognizing him. He's back on his feet and less worried about getting found out. He goes to man the register while the cashier is on lunch break, and in walks Kim to order a cinnamon roll... for the little kid who is with her. She says "what do you want, Saul Jr?" then looks up and looks Gene in the eye and gasps... then fade to black.
I picture Gene managing the Cinnabon after that scare he had with the cab driver recognizing him. He's back on his feet and less worried about getting found out. He goes to man the register while the cashier is on lunch break, and in walks Kim to order a cinnamon roll... for the little kid who is with her. She says "what do you want, Saul Jr?" then looks up and looks Gene in the eye and gasps... then fade to black.
Gonna get old seeing the entire 2nd half of the season in black and white.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I think that's the opening of Part 2 of the season.
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