YNWA_AG said:

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TCTTS said:

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Latest Ringer podcast thinks it's Lalo in the black car at the end of episode two, following Jimmy and Kim, and that they're his "proof."

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I read another rumor that Howard hired a PI to tail Saul.

Edit noticed someone else mentioned when scrolling through the posts

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Howard knew Saul hit his car with bowling balls and knew he sent hookers to the country club, so when an apparent drug baggie falls out of his locker at the club it's believable he would again suspect Saul and hire someone to follow him - but I personally don't think that's the case.

The car at the end of episode 2 looks like the kind of car Mike likes to drive, but no idea why Mike would be wanting Saul's services.

Hwy30East said:

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Star this post if you are watching the BCS series, but have never watched Breaking Bad.

I'm just curious to know.

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My wife is in this category, FYI. Maybe one of the only.

She doesn't want to watch Breaking Bad because it's "about a Chemistry teacher forced to get into drugs because he can't afford cancer treatments." She watches TV/movies to get away from dark, somewhat real-world stories like that and doesn't care that it's my favorite series ever.

On the other hand, she will hang around the living room to passively watch Better Caul Saul and "secretly" be into it. Her rationale is that she's ok with the premise that drug dealers are the bad guys…. she just doesn't want to deal with the long-term, prolonged demise of Walter White

She'll ask about whether or not this or that character is in Breaking Bad, etc. I'm hoping that if/when WW and JP show up in BCS, she'll see that she might like BB after all and I'll get to watch the whole series all over again for a third time.

From Sepinwall's recap

"Mike likes Nacho, and feels bad that Gus has placed the kid in such a difficult position, while Gus has nothing but contempt for Ignacio Varga."

I don't remember the backstory- why does Mike like Nacho and keep trying to let Nacho off the hook and sticking up for him? And why does Fring blow that off and think of Nacho only as a disposable pawn?

It's also hilarious to watch Kettleman react to Betsy during all these confrontations. He's scared ****-less of her, he wants acceptance from others, he wants to act like the man in the relationship, the little wave at Cliff when they leave for wasting his time, and he only does the first one well.

Craig Kettleman is the best. I have to imagine there are a bunch of outtakes where he causes others to break.

This is by far the best TV I've watched in a LOOONG time. I binged BB after the fact, so I enjoy BCS even more because it's a slow burn that I can discuss in between.

Interesting that other than the baby powder for Howard - almost no mention of drugs or distribution - just generic "the cartel "this and "the cartel" that. Is the war between the chicken man (love that they call him that) and the Salamancas about meth, cocaine, power, control or all of the above. No mention of product when that was the whole basis for BB - a superior product. They did show early on them building the lab with the Germans and that was a fun story line.

Big Al 1992 said:

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They did show early on them building the lab with the Germans and that was a fun story line.

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Forgot all about that. That was a great parallel story.

Thinking about it...

The last time I was this hyped for an episode and not disappointed was the Americans finale. Before that it was the BB finale. Everything else I can think of (looking at you GoT) was a huge disappointment. This was in that group.

Big Al 1992 said:

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Interesting that other than the baby powder for Howard - almost no mention of drugs or distribution - just generic "the cartel "this and "the cartel" that.

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They got "the stuff." Wait a minute, they don't got "the stuff?" You got "the stuff?" Who's got my "stuff?"

Podcast recs for this season?

BCS Insider Podcast is obviously a must. Beyond that, The Watch is usually a good one.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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One thing I noticed -- the shot of Kim having dinner with her client through the window of the restaurant, with metals on the windows that kinda resembled bars on a jail cell.

Could be intentional, could be coincidence.

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When Kim and Saul had dinner in the first episode, they did a similar ROTJ Luke/Vader scene on the Death Star where Luke's face was half light and half dark before Vader tempted him to attack over his sister. They focused on Kim for that shot as well.

I'd liked the visual of it.

TCTTS said:

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Latest Ringer podcast thinks it's Lalo in the black car at the end of episode two, following Jimmy and Kim, and that they're his "proof."

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This is nonsensical. It's not just that it's obvious his proof is Nacho, he LITERALLY SAYS AS MUCH.

Agreed. Lalo is literally the last person I would suspect. The show is never this obvious.

It might be improbable, but it's not nonsensical.

WHEN DOES HE "LITERALLY" SAY IT'S NACHO?

AND WHY ARE WE TYPING IN ALL CAPS / TAKING MESSAGE BOARD SPECULATION SO SERIOUSLY?

TCTTS said:

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It might improbable, but it's not nonsensical.

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It's nonsensical that his proof is anything other than Nacho, becuase the show literally told you it's Nacho.

The tail is pretty clearly law enforcement of some sort.

TCTTS said:

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WHEN DOES HE SAY "LITERALLY" SAY IT'S NACHO?

AND WHY ARE WE TYPING IN ALL CAPS / TAKING MESSAGE BOARD SPECULATION SO SERIOUSLY?

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We know Lalo knows Nacho is the rat, and he assumes Nacho was working with Gus because of this because he believes Gus arranged the hit. We know this because he realized Nacho let them in in the final scene last season and because he tells Hector "it was the chicken man" in this season's premiere.

In agreement with all of that. What I'm pushing back on is the fact that Lalo knows all of that almost immediately, and mentions "the chicken man" on the phone to his uncle BEFORE he has the epiphany of the "proof" he needs. So, if Lalo ALREADY knows Nacho is behind it all, when his uncle tells him he needs proof, why is the proof seemingly only then coming to Lalo in that moment, as if he's just now realizing what that proof is? That's the only reason I think the proof COULD be something other than Nacho (i.e. potentially Jimmy/Kim).

Lalo "knows" it's Nacho but he needs to be able to show Eladio actual proof that his gut is right. That's why he needs Nacho himself.

Yes, I know. My point is, it seemed like a NEW epiphany hit him in that moment, AFTER he already knew/told his uncle it was Nacho.

Bingo.

Lalo may very well not be the one tailing Jimmy/Kim, but at this point I would be surprised if Nacho is his "proof."

I, for one, am looking forward to how they complete the lab that WW is going to use to mass produce his killer meth.

aTmAg said:

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What's gimpy Lalo going to do to catch Nacho that the twins and 1000 cartelos and federales aren't already doing better? Lalo has taken special precautions to make people think he is dead. Why would he risk that to merely be one more person looking for Nacho?

To me, that sounds nonsensical.

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How does Lalo know who else is looking for Nacho? I believe he has only talked to Hector, at least that is all that has been shown, since the attack at his house. I get what you are saying but I'm not sure how aware Lalo is of the situation. If it's Nacho he's after he has to assume Nacho hasn't been extricated from Mexico already and that he could find that needle in a haystack, he seemed to be very sure of where he needed to go for the proof - I wouldn't think he'd be that sure of himself if he thought he needed to find Nacho on his own.

We know Hector told him to find proof that Fring was behind the assassination attempt, we know he then drove back into Mexico rather than towards the US. So he could get proof out of Nacho, if we think that is not his likely destination than where else? Is there something he could find at his house that would tie Nacho or the attackers to Fring? Perhaps he knows about Fring's community with the memorial to his murdered partner (where Mike rehabilitated), could he get proof there? Or perhaps there is another option a viewer wouldn't yet be aware of.