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Story line not as compelling and hotness level of Latin actresses much lower than previous seasons.

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Can someone remind me what became of the hot latina (think we all know the one) from previous Mexico seasons? Don't recall her getting killed.

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The hot Latina ended up dating one of the guys involved with the drug cartel.

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No. Enedina kicks her out of Tijuana and she disappears.

I loved the actress that played the Socialite Sara that was dating Rafael Qunitero. Also the Ochoa sister that was having an affair with Gustavo was hot as hell.

currently getting through it - so happy to see Don Neto again. But Amado (or at least as portrayed) is the coolest dude of them all..

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currently getting through it - so happy to see Don Neto again. But Amado (or at least as portrayed) is the coolest dude of them all..

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Neto looks like my uncle from my dads side of the family.

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I loved the actress that played the Socialite Sara that was dating Rafael Qunitero. Also the Ochoa sister that was having an affair with Gustavo was hot as hell.

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That was the original Narcos Season 3 (Cali Cartel) was it not?

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currently getting through it - so happy to see Don Neto again. But Amado (or at least as portrayed) is the coolest dude of them all..

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Very cool to see Amado's evolutionary rise from S1 to S3 and to the end. You're right, he is one of the coolest characters of them all.

I believe so yes.

I just binged this season, and I had no idea that was the final season. Even after watching it. I thought they were setting up an El Chapo season for next year. But I guess not.

Are they too afraid that they will piss off existing cartels and start having their families killed?

Really enjoyed the season. Found myself immersed in the parallel serial killer storyline and kinda wish we had gotten more out of that. It's already been said here but it's crazy how much the stuff on the show seemed ridiculous bur then you Google it and see it actually happened. Wish there were more seasons.

So I recently had been listening to "Our Thing" by Sammy Gravano about his time in the American Mob. One stark difference between the mob and the cartels is how idiotically ruthless the cartels are. In the mob, it was against the rules to even lay your hands on another made made. If you did so, then you went before a sort of "trial" where they would decide your fate. And if it were decided that you would die, then YOUR friends were the ones who were assigned to kill you. They did so, in order to make it a surprise and as painless as possible. That way you don't have dudes killing or torturing members of other families and then having mafia wars every other day. Most mafia wars that existed were within the same family as people fought for power. Of course there were cases of cross family killings and torture, but those were rules violations and usually resulted in the violators being subsequently killed.

The cartels have no rules. They kill whoever they want whenever they want, which of course pisses them off, and makes them come after you even more, and creates a never ending cycle. Sure enough, torture and death is an every day occurrence. The fact that they couldn't foresee the unsustainability of that blows my mind.

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So I recently had been listening to "Our Thing" by Sammy Gravano about his time in the American Mob. One stark difference between the mob and the cartels is how idiotically ruthless the cartels are. In the mob, it was against the rules to even lay your hands on another made made. If you did so, then you went before a sort of "trial" where they would decide your fate. And if it were decided that you would die, then YOUR friends were the ones who were assigned to kill you. They did so, in order to make it a surprise and as painless as possible. That way you don't have dudes killing or torturing members of other families and then having mafia wars every other day. Most mafia wars that existed were within the same family as people fought for power. Of course there were cases of cross family killings and torture, but those were rules violations and usually resulted in the violators being subsequently killed.

The cartels have no rules. They kill whoever they want whenever they want, which of course pisses them off, and makes them come after you even more, and creates a never ending cycle. Sure enough, torture and death is an every day occurrence. The fact that they couldn't foresee the unsustainability of that blows my mind.

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Im sure these cartel bosses are only wishing that had consulted with you first (as a trusted advisor) before they handled their multi $$$ Billion Business.

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So I recently had been listening to "Our Thing" by Sammy Gravano about his time in the American Mob. One stark difference between the mob and the cartels is how idiotically ruthless the cartels are. In the mob, it was against the rules to even lay your hands on another made made. If you did so, then you went before a sort of "trial" where they would decide your fate. And if it were decided that you would die, then YOUR friends were the ones who were assigned to kill you. They did so, in order to make it a surprise and as painless as possible. That way you don't have dudes killing or torturing members of other families and then having mafia wars every other day. Most mafia wars that existed were within the same family as people fought for power. Of course there were cases of cross family killings and torture, but those were rules violations and usually resulted in the violators being subsequently killed.

The cartels have no rules. They kill whoever they want whenever they want, which of course pisses them off, and makes them come after you even more, and creates a never ending cycle. Sure enough, torture and death is an every day occurrence. The fact that they couldn't foresee the unsustainability of that blows my mind.

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Im sure these cartel bosses are only wishing that had consulted with you first (as a trusted advisor) before they handled their multi $$$ Billion Business.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do as they are almost all (violently) dead. The few living ones, like El Chapo are only alive because they are safe in prison.

Where in the Italian mob, it was rare for a boss to be killed. Paul Castellano was the exception, not the rule (and that was from within his own family, not from a rival). Most Italian bosses die of heart attacks, cancer, or stuff like that.

Edit: and this is not to imply that I like Italian mobsters. They are uneducated thugs too. But they are geniuses compared to the cartels. Hell, El Chapo is illiterate.

This was easily the weakest of any of the Narcos seasons, and it ended on downer all around. Still better than 90% of the crap on streaming, but I was a little disappointed to be honest. The Amado story was also a little uneven. Based on the show, he went from a plaza boss to the major kingpin of Mexico even though he spent most of his time in Cuba screwing around. I'm also still waiting for a woman cartel boss to do a good job. Both the Arrellano lady and the Columbian seemed to always make the worst possible decision at every opportunity

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This was easily the weakest of any of the Narcos seasons, and it ended on downer all around. Still better than 90% of the crap on streaming, but I was a little disappointed to be honest. The Amado story was also a little uneven. Based on the show, he went from a plaza boss to the major kingpin of Mexico even though he spent most of his time in Cuba screwing around. I'm also still waiting for a woman cartel boss to do a good job. Both the Arrellano lady and the Columbian seemed to always make the worst possible decision at every opportunity

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That Cuba love story was the worst part. I couldn't give a crap about that. Also, I think they made him out to be a little more likeable than he really was. Like he was forced into violence because he was attacked. But in articles I read, he "enjoyed torture" and ordered 400 people killed. Including prison guards he didn't like.

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currently getting through it - so happy to see Don Neto again. But Amado (or at least as portrayed) is the coolest dude of them all..

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Neto looks like my uncle from my dads side of the family.

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Every Mexican(myself included) has an uncle that looks like Don Neto…and a cousin that looks like Amado

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So I recently had been listening to "Our Thing" by Sammy Gravano about his time in the American Mob. One stark difference between the mob and the cartels is how idiotically ruthless the cartels are. In the mob, it was against the rules to even lay your hands on another made made. If you did so, then you went before a sort of "trial" where they would decide your fate. And if it were decided that you would die, then YOUR friends were the ones who were assigned to kill you. They did so, in order to make it a surprise and as painless as possible. That way you don't have dudes killing or torturing members of other families and then having mafia wars every other day. Most mafia wars that existed were within the same family as people fought for power. Of course there were cases of cross family killings and torture, but those were rules violations and usually resulted in the violators being subsequently killed.

The cartels have no rules. They kill whoever they want whenever they want, which of course pisses them off, and makes them come after you even more, and creates a never ending cycle. Sure enough, torture and death is an every day occurrence. The fact that they couldn't foresee the unsustainability of that blows my mind.

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Im sure these cartel bosses are only wishing that had consulted with you first (as a trusted advisor) before they handled their multi $$$ Billion Business.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do as they are almost all (violently) dead. The few living ones, like El Chapo are only alive because they are safe in prison.

Where in the Italian mob, it was rare for a boss to be killed. Paul Castellano was the exception, not the rule (and that was from within his own family, not from a rival). Most Italian bosses die of heart attacks, cancer, or stuff like that.

Edit: and this is not to imply that I like Italian mobsters. They are uneducated thugs too. But they are geniuses compared to the cartels. Hell, El Chapo is illiterate.

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I love the latent racism in your post.

If the American Mafia was making the money that the drug cartels were making they would be just as violent.

The mafia is small time compared to El Chapo or Pablo Escobar.

You can't believe everything you watch on tv. For every gangster that is dead or in jail there is a Don Guerra (the boss of the Gulf Cartel) who lived until he was 85 and never spent a day in prison.

Right now....at this very moment there is some cartel boss that probably lives in El Paso, or Laredo that will go to his grave being known as a legit businessman who dabbled in "logistics" across the border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Nepomuceno_Guerra

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(July 18, 1915 July 12, 2001) was a Mexican drug lord who founded and led the Gulf Cartel for over 50 years. He is often considered the "godfather" of U.S-Mexico border cartels.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Nepomuceno_Guerra#cite_note-fallece-2][2][/url]

He began his criminal career in the 1930s by smuggling alcohol from Mexico during the Prohibition in the United States. He later diversified to other cross-border smuggling activities. He is the uncle of Juan Garca brego, his successor in the cartel and once considered Mexico's most-wanted man.

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I love the latent racism in your post.

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Trying to find the racism in his post...

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aTmAg said:

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Kellso said:

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So I recently had been listening to "Our Thing" by Sammy Gravano about his time in the American Mob. One stark difference between the mob and the cartels is how idiotically ruthless the cartels are. In the mob, it was against the rules to even lay your hands on another made made. If you did so, then you went before a sort of "trial" where they would decide your fate. And if it were decided that you would die, then YOUR friends were the ones who were assigned to kill you. They did so, in order to make it a surprise and as painless as possible. That way you don't have dudes killing or torturing members of other families and then having mafia wars every other day. Most mafia wars that existed were within the same family as people fought for power. Of course there were cases of cross family killings and torture, but those were rules violations and usually resulted in the violators being subsequently killed.

The cartels have no rules. They kill whoever they want whenever they want, which of course pisses them off, and makes them come after you even more, and creates a never ending cycle. Sure enough, torture and death is an every day occurrence. The fact that they couldn't foresee the unsustainability of that blows my mind.

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Im sure these cartel bosses are only wishing that had consulted with you first (as a trusted advisor) before they handled their multi $$$ Billion Business.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do as they are almost all (violently) dead. The few living ones, like El Chapo are only alive because they are safe in prison.

Where in the Italian mob, it was rare for a boss to be killed. Paul Castellano was the exception, not the rule (and that was from within his own family, not from a rival). Most Italian bosses die of heart attacks, cancer, or stuff like that.

Edit: and this is not to imply that I like Italian mobsters. They are uneducated thugs too. But they are geniuses compared to the cartels. Hell, El Chapo is illiterate.

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I love the latent racism in your post.

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Everything is about racism with you libs. Can you actually think beyond that BS?

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If the American Mafia was making the money that the drug cartels were making they would be just as violent.


The mafia is small time compared to El Chapo or Pablo Escobar.

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Depending on the source El Chapo was worth between $1B-$5B at his peak in 2011. Michael Franzese (who was a captain in the Colombo family) alone was worth $20B when he got arrested. And you act like the Italian mob tried and failed to deal in drugs. They didn't. Then intentionally banned it because they recognized how stupid it was (though some individuals broke that rule). That the money was not worth the risk.

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You can't believe everything you watch on tv. For every gangster that is dead or in jail there is a Don Guerra (the boss of the Gulf Cartel) who lived until he was 85 and never spent a day in prison.

Right now....at this very moment there is some cartel boss that probably lives in El Paso, or Laredo that will go to his grave being known as a legit businessman who dabbled in "logistics" across the border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Nepomuceno_Guerra

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(July 18, 1915 July 12, 2001) was a Mexican drug lord who founded and led the Gulf Cartel for over 50 years. He is often considered the "godfather" of U.S-Mexico border cartels.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Nepomuceno_Guerra#cite_note-fallece-2][2][/url]

He began his criminal career in the 1930s by smuggling alcohol from Mexico during the Prohibition in the United States. He later diversified to other cross-border smuggling activities. He is the uncle of Juan Garca brego, his successor in the cartel and once considered Mexico's most-wanted man.

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BTW, you notice that he didn't get into drugs, that his nephew did? And that the nephew was only in power for about a decade before he got a life sentence? Seems to me, the Italian mob was right. And BTW, the 5 family namesakes were:

Joseph Bonanno - died age 97 of heart failure (8 months for obstruction + 14 months for contempt)
Joe Columbo - died age 54 of cardiac arrest -- though he was shot and paralyzed a year prior (30 days for contempt)
Carlo Gambino - died age 74 of natural causes (Tax evasion 22 months)
Vito Genovese - died age 71 of heart attack (15 years for conspiracy to violate narcotics.)
Tommy Lucchese - died age 67 of brain tumor (no prison)

So except for Genovese, all these dudes got a trivial amount of jail time and all but Columbo died at an old age. Go compare that to the cartels. It isn't close.

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MAROON said:

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currently getting through it - so happy to see Don Neto again. But Amado (or at least as portrayed) is the coolest dude of them all..

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Neto looks like my uncle from my dads side of the family.

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Every Mexican(myself included) has an uncle that looks like Don Neto…and a cousin that looks like Amado

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Also true in my family!

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Kellso said:

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aTmAg said:

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Kellso said:

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So I recently had been listening to "Our Thing" by Sammy Gravano about his time in the American Mob. One stark difference between the mob and the cartels is how idiotically ruthless the cartels are. In the mob, it was against the rules to even lay your hands on another made made. If you did so, then you went before a sort of "trial" where they would decide your fate. And if it were decided that you would die, then YOUR friends were the ones who were assigned to kill you. They did so, in order to make it a surprise and as painless as possible. That way you don't have dudes killing or torturing members of other families and then having mafia wars every other day. Most mafia wars that existed were within the same family as people fought for power. Of course there were cases of cross family killings and torture, but those were rules violations and usually resulted in the violators being subsequently killed.

The cartels have no rules. They kill whoever they want whenever they want, which of course pisses them off, and makes them come after you even more, and creates a never ending cycle. Sure enough, torture and death is an every day occurrence. The fact that they couldn't foresee the unsustainability of that blows my mind.

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Im sure these cartel bosses are only wishing that had consulted with you first (as a trusted advisor) before they handled their multi $$$ Billion Business.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do as they are almost all (violently) dead. The few living ones, like El Chapo are only alive because they are safe in prison.

Where in the Italian mob, it was rare for a boss to be killed. Paul Castellano was the exception, not the rule (and that was from within his own family, not from a rival). Most Italian bosses die of heart attacks, cancer, or stuff like that.

Edit: and this is not to imply that I like Italian mobsters. They are uneducated thugs too. But they are geniuses compared to the cartels. Hell, El Chapo is illiterate.

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I love the latent racism in your post.

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Everything is about racism with you libs. Can you actually think beyond that BS?

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If the American Mafia was making the money that the drug cartels were making they would be just as violent.


The mafia is small time compared to El Chapo or Pablo Escobar.

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Depending on the source El Chapo was worth between $1B-$5B at his peak in 2011. Michael Franzese (who was a captain in the Colombo family) alone was worth $20B when he got arrested. And you act like the Italian mob tried and failed to deal in drugs. They didn't. Then intentionally banned it because they recognized how stupid it was (though some individuals broke that rule). That the money was not worth the risk.

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You can't believe everything you watch on tv. For every gangster that is dead or in jail there is a Don Guerra (the boss of the Gulf Cartel) who lived until he was 85 and never spent a day in prison.

Right now....at this very moment there is some cartel boss that probably lives in El Paso, or Laredo that will go to his grave being known as a legit businessman who dabbled in "logistics" across the border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Nepomuceno_Guerra

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(July 18, 1915 July 12, 2001) was a Mexican drug lord who founded and led the Gulf Cartel for over 50 years. He is often considered the "godfather" of U.S-Mexico border cartels.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Nepomuceno_Guerra#cite_note-fallece-2][2][/url]

He began his criminal career in the 1930s by smuggling alcohol from Mexico during the Prohibition in the United States. He later diversified to other cross-border smuggling activities. He is the uncle of Juan Garca brego, his successor in the cartel and once considered Mexico's most-wanted man.

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BTW, you notice that he didn't get into drugs, that his nephew did? And that the nephew was only in power for about a decade before he got a life sentence? Seems to me, the Italian mob was right. And BTW, the 5 family namesakes were:

Joseph Bonanno - died age 97 of heart failure (8 months for obstruction + 14 months for contempt)
Joe Columbo - died age 54 of cardiac arrest -- though he was shot and paralyzed a year prior (30 days for contempt)
Carlo Gambino - died age 74 of natural causes (Tax evasion 22 months)
Vito Genovese - died age 71 of heart attack (15 years for conspiracy to violate narcotics.)
Tommy Lucchese - died age 67 of brain tumor (no prison)

So except for Genovese, all these dudes got a trivial amount of jail time and all but Columbo died at an old age. Go compare that to the cartels. It isn't close.

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As of 2021 the American Mafia is wiped out. They have little to no power and are a shell of what they were 40-50 years ago.

Drug Cartels are still in business, and still making billions.

Not apples to apples. One operated in a nation with rules and laws the other doesn't.

Is it…is it in the room now? Is the racism in the room right now?…can you point to it?…it's okay, you're safe here.

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aTmAg said:

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Kellso said:

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Kellso said:

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So I recently had been listening to "Our Thing" by Sammy Gravano about his time in the American Mob. One stark difference between the mob and the cartels is how idiotically ruthless the cartels are. In the mob, it was against the rules to even lay your hands on another made made. If you did so, then you went before a sort of "trial" where they would decide your fate. And if it were decided that you would die, then YOUR friends were the ones who were assigned to kill you. They did so, in order to make it a surprise and as painless as possible. That way you don't have dudes killing or torturing members of other families and then having mafia wars every other day. Most mafia wars that existed were within the same family as people fought for power. Of course there were cases of cross family killings and torture, but those were rules violations and usually resulted in the violators being subsequently killed.

The cartels have no rules. They kill whoever they want whenever they want, which of course pisses them off, and makes them come after you even more, and creates a never ending cycle. Sure enough, torture and death is an every day occurrence. The fact that they couldn't foresee the unsustainability of that blows my mind.

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Im sure these cartel bosses are only wishing that had consulted with you first (as a trusted advisor) before they handled their multi $$$ Billion Business.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do as they are almost all (violently) dead. The few living ones, like El Chapo are only alive because they are safe in prison.

Where in the Italian mob, it was rare for a boss to be killed. Paul Castellano was the exception, not the rule (and that was from within his own family, not from a rival). Most Italian bosses die of heart attacks, cancer, or stuff like that.

Edit: and this is not to imply that I like Italian mobsters. They are uneducated thugs too. But they are geniuses compared to the cartels. Hell, El Chapo is illiterate.

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I love the latent racism in your post.

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Everything is about racism with you libs. Can you actually think beyond that BS?

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If the American Mafia was making the money that the drug cartels were making they would be just as violent.


The mafia is small time compared to El Chapo or Pablo Escobar.

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Depending on the source El Chapo was worth between $1B-$5B at his peak in 2011. Michael Franzese (who was a captain in the Colombo family) alone was worth $20B when he got arrested. And you act like the Italian mob tried and failed to deal in drugs. They didn't. Then intentionally banned it because they recognized how stupid it was (though some individuals broke that rule). That the money was not worth the risk.

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You can't believe everything you watch on tv. For every gangster that is dead or in jail there is a Don Guerra (the boss of the Gulf Cartel) who lived until he was 85 and never spent a day in prison.

Right now....at this very moment there is some cartel boss that probably lives in El Paso, or Laredo that will go to his grave being known as a legit businessman who dabbled in "logistics" across the border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Nepomuceno_Guerra

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(July 18, 1915 July 12, 2001) was a Mexican drug lord who founded and led the Gulf Cartel for over 50 years. He is often considered the "godfather" of U.S-Mexico border cartels.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Nepomuceno_Guerra#cite_note-fallece-2][2][/url]

He began his criminal career in the 1930s by smuggling alcohol from Mexico during the Prohibition in the United States. He later diversified to other cross-border smuggling activities. He is the uncle of Juan Garca brego, his successor in the cartel and once considered Mexico's most-wanted man.

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BTW, you notice that he didn't get into drugs, that his nephew did? And that the nephew was only in power for about a decade before he got a life sentence? Seems to me, the Italian mob was right. And BTW, the 5 family namesakes were:

Joseph Bonanno - died age 97 of heart failure (8 months for obstruction + 14 months for contempt)
Joe Columbo - died age 54 of cardiac arrest -- though he was shot and paralyzed a year prior (30 days for contempt)
Carlo Gambino - died age 74 of natural causes (Tax evasion 22 months)
Vito Genovese - died age 71 of heart attack (15 years for conspiracy to violate narcotics.)
Tommy Lucchese - died age 67 of brain tumor (no prison)

So except for Genovese, all these dudes got a trivial amount of jail time and all but Columbo died at an old age. Go compare that to the cartels. It isn't close.

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As of 2021 the American Mafia is wiped out. They have little to no power and are a shell of what they were 40-50 years ago.

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Because our police and politicians (except democrats) are much less corrupt and RICO laws have been much more effective. The Mexican police and politicians are the polar opposite. If the Mafia had the benefit of a Mexican style government, they would be thriving like never before. While if the DEA, FBI, etc. had complete reign over Mexico like they do here, the cartels would suffer an even worse fate than the mafia.

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That's like saying Germany didn't lose 2 world wars, since they are still around. Having a rollover every few years because they keep getting killed or life sentences is not "success" by any measure. In fact, it shows their level of stupidity that people keep taking their place.

This thread now

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I actually find the cartel vs. mafia debate very interesting so I'm canceling out your thumbs down.

Were they alluding at the end that Amado might have actually gotten away? Jaime mentioning that everyone involved either disappearing or getting killed, and the Cuban mistress had two wine glasses set up on the piano.

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Were they alluding at the end that Amado might have actually gotten away? Jaime mentioning that everyone involved either disappearing or getting killed, and the Cuban mistress had two wine glasses set up on the piano.

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Reading after the fact, there are conspiracy theories that the guy in the casket was not really Amado.

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Additionally, per The Sun, after the traffickers funeral, Fuentes' cousin, Sergio Carrillo, reportedly said, "Amado is fine. He is alive. He had surgery and also had surgery practiced on some poor unfortunate person to make everybody believe it was him, including the authorities."

Of course, members of Fuentes' family have plenty of reasons to keep the rumor that their powerful relative is still alive. But there's also the small matter of respected journalist and human rights activist Patricia Verdugo reporting in the Chilean newspaper La Segunda that Fuentes was not only alive, but had been flipped by the DEA, and was now working with them. The DEA denied any and all claims that the drug lord was alive, and the organization even issued a statement on the matter in '97, which read, "The rumor has as much credibility as the millions of sightings of the late Elvis Presley."

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https://www.businessinsider.com/the-curious-afterlife-of-the-lord-of-the-skies-2021-11

This is a pretty good article explaining everything surrounding his death.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/the-curious-afterlife-of-the-lord-of-the-skies-2021-11

This is a pretty good article explaining everything surrounding his death.

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Good read