Not sure why we are spoiling a show that has been over for many years, but:torrid said:
Great series, though I still have mixed feelings on the ending. However, i completely understand why the writers went the direction they did.
I really feel Costa Ronin as Oleg is greatly under-appreciated for his work in the series. I think one of the best part of this series is that except for "The Americans", the Russian characters are largely played by real Russians.
Here is my one spoiler, mostly a personal interpretation.
I think Laurie Holden's Renee character was a spy, but not for the KGB. I think she worked for the CIA. The CIA knew about the Jennings, and she was put in place to keep Stan from getting too close. There were instances where they sent back bad info, which I argue could have been left for them to find deliberately. The sub that sank comes to mind.
The train thing surprised the hell out of me. I wish we could get a El Camino style movie about what happened to her afterwards.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I remember trying to watch this back when it first started, but never could keep interested enough in it to remember when the next episode would air.
Over December, the wife and I binged the entire series. It keep us on the edge of our seats and very much interested. A couple of things that really stayed with me:
I think the gal's name was Nina but please don't hold me to it. She was the KGB hottie who ended up banging the FBI agent. The whole sequence where they brought her before the judge, and he told her she had been sentenced to death, and the execution would be carried out "shortly" and then literally a dude came up behind her and shot her in the head. That was just a tough thing to watch.
When the Jennings were making their escape on the train, and the daughter stepped off the train to remain in America. Didn't really surprise me, but I certainly felt what any parent would have felt in seeing that.
Really enjoyed that show.
Against the rules, yes. But they wouldn't they risk violating those rules to feed bogus information back to the Russians? Via their own undercover spies? And any such operation would be above even Stan's clearance level.aTmAg said:Not sure why we are spoiling a show that has been over for many years, but:torrid said:
Great series, though I still have mixed feelings on the ending. However, i completely understand why the writers went the direction they did.
I really feel Costa Ronin as Oleg is greatly under-appreciated for his work in the series. I think one of the best part of this series is that except for "The Americans", the Russian characters are largely played by real Russians.
Here is my one spoiler, mostly a personal interpretation.
I think Laurie Holden's Renee character was a spy, but not for the KGB. I think she worked for the CIA. The CIA knew about the Jennings, and she was put in place to keep Stan from getting too close. There were instances where they sent back bad info, which I argue could have been left for them to find deliberately. The sub that sank comes to mind.
Your theory would violate rules. CIA is not supposed to have assets in America. We didn't want to be like the KGB where we are spying on our own citizens. Since one of the writers was a CIA guy, he would know this. So if she were a spy for the Americans she would be FBI. Which would mean she would be DAMN undercover for Stan to not know about her ahead of time. Which is not impossible or anything.
That opening scene was great, made me an instant fan of the show. Well-edited with "Tusk".Psychag said:
Spy asking "Why is everyone so punctual in this business?" as the barge ship is saying away with Tusk playing. - Beginning of first episode.
I always assumed that they ended up reaching out to the kids via Facebook, assuming they survived that longCinco Ranch Aggie said:
Another thought I had after finishing this series ... Gee, I believe this series ended in the year 1987 or 1988. Meaning there was only a handful of years before the Soviet Union collapsed. I'd wonder if, after that collapse, the Jennings might return to America to at least see their kids. Or would they still be on the FBI's radar after all that time?
Conversely, would there have been anything preventing either of the kids from going to Russia to see their parents?
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Keri Russel was lookin very fit.
Thats the main thing I remember about the show
That and it being a 100% accurate depiction of everyday life in the 1980s.
It would still be FBI. Just above his clearance level. They would know everything Stan's office knew.torrid said:Against the rules, yes. But they wouldn't they risk violating those rules to feed bogus information back to the Russians? Via their own undercover spies? And any such operation would be above even Stan's clearance level.aTmAg said:Not sure why we are spoiling a show that has been over for many years, but:torrid said:
Great series, though I still have mixed feelings on the ending. However, i completely understand why the writers went the direction they did.
I really feel Costa Ronin as Oleg is greatly under-appreciated for his work in the series. I think one of the best part of this series is that except for "The Americans", the Russian characters are largely played by real Russians.
Here is my one spoiler, mostly a personal interpretation.
I think Laurie Holden's Renee character was a spy, but not for the KGB. I think she worked for the CIA. The CIA knew about the Jennings, and she was put in place to keep Stan from getting too close. There were instances where they sent back bad info, which I argue could have been left for them to find deliberately. The sub that sank comes to mind.
Your theory would violate rules. CIA is not supposed to have assets in America. We didn't want to be like the KGB where we are spying on our own citizens. Since one of the writers was a CIA guy, he would know this. So if she were a spy for the Americans she would be FBI. Which would mean she would be DAMN undercover for Stan to not know about her ahead of time. Which is not impossible or anything.
Anyway, that is just my personal interpretation. The producers said they deliberately left stuff vague for the audience to fill in themselves, and that is how I choose to fill it.
I agree with ATM on this. But, show creators did a masterful job leaving this stuff up for interpretation!aTmAg said:It would still be FBI. Just above his clearance level. They would know everything Stan's office knew.torrid said:Against the rules, yes. But they wouldn't they risk violating those rules to feed bogus information back to the Russians? Via their own undercover spies? And any such operation would be above even Stan's clearance level.aTmAg said:Not sure why we are spoiling a show that has been over for many years, but:torrid said:
Great series, though I still have mixed feelings on the ending. However, i completely understand why the writers went the direction they did.
I really feel Costa Ronin as Oleg is greatly under-appreciated for his work in the series. I think one of the best part of this series is that except for "The Americans", the Russian characters are largely played by real Russians.
Here is my one spoiler, mostly a personal interpretation.
I think Laurie Holden's Renee character was a spy, but not for the KGB. I think she worked for the CIA. The CIA knew about the Jennings, and she was put in place to keep Stan from getting too close. There were instances where they sent back bad info, which I argue could have been left for them to find deliberately. The sub that sank comes to mind.
Your theory would violate rules. CIA is not supposed to have assets in America. We didn't want to be like the KGB where we are spying on our own citizens. Since one of the writers was a CIA guy, he would know this. So if she were a spy for the Americans she would be FBI. Which would mean she would be DAMN undercover for Stan to not know about her ahead of time. Which is not impossible or anything.
Anyway, that is just my personal interpretation. The producers said they deliberately left stuff vague for the audience to fill in themselves, and that is how I choose to fill it.
But that would also mean the Jennings would have never gotten out. If the FBI had enough suspicion to place a full time undercover agent in with Stan (which would be really expensive and hard because they'd have to have an air-tight legend/cover-story that not even an experienced undercover FBI agent could not see through), then they would have been all over the Jennings too.
But also, I can't remember her doing anything that I would interpret as trying to make sure the Jennings do not get too close to Stan. Not saying you are wrong.. I just think it's unlikely. Interesting discussion though.
I've watched this show twice. The 2nd time I caught a lot more stuff that I didn't catch the first time. I realized that plenty of stuff I originally thought was coincidental was really not.Tonyperkis said:
Was in a show hole and finally started this last night (after hearing for years it was good). The pilot is a banger. Excited for this journey