Not a liberal, and don't at all live a "California lifestyle," whatever the hell that is. But thanks for the shoutout.

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On this, we can agree.

I stick by what I said.

It's difficult to have an open discussion with certain posters around. Liberals, leftists and communists don't believe in a higher power ( well, other than government), so they dismiss entire areas of discussion. This is a message board, and the condescension from close minded posters limits an open discussion.

Does Entertainment lean leftist?

I would say some of the posters here are FAR from close minded. I honestly still can't believe the energy this thread has a week later. A truly close minded person would just bow out and not chime in anymore.

"It could be angels or demons."

"Dur... that's crazy! It's obviously ALIENS!"

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"It could be angels or demons."

"Dur... that's crazy! It's obviously ALIENS!"

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Invert this and that's you.

You're right. Except that there is zero chance it's aliens. Other than that, ya, that's me too...

It wasn't an anti-religion thing. It was an anti-thread derailment thing. Because I saw how the other UFO thread went, and it basically turned into a platform for preaching/witnessing, with angel/demon talk quite often dominating a UFO conversation. Which, by this very derailment, I was 100% spot-on in anticipating.

(Still, it's incredible to me how I stated that my only issue with Christianity is that it advocates a belief that God forces souls into existence, knowing that the vast majority of those souls will burn in hell for eternity. *I'm* the one advocating against people experiencing eternal pain, yet you're essentially saying, by your response, "You Godless liberal, it's pathetic how you don't believe in the concept of people burning in hell for all eternity." It's just so wild to me that *I'm* the crazy, moralless bad guy in this dynamic.)

Well none of that matters at all.

Because it's obviously inter dimensional beings that have always been around humanity, since they've been tethered to the same place as us (same place, different dimension), and THEY are what have been mistaken for angels or demons.

Inter dimensional beings ARE the 'aliens', they're ALSO the angels and demons, because they've always been here with us, we humans just call them whatever makes since to us with in our community knowledge.

You accept the possibility that your beliefs are real and that angels and demons exist.

You accept the possibility that the unknown is possible and inter-dimensional beings can interact with our dimension.

But you reject the idea that there is physics beyond our current comprehension that would allow intergalactic travel?

Seems weird to me, because physics beyond our current comprehension would be required to travel between dimensions just as much as it would be for inter-galactic travel.


The most realistic thing is that the tea leaves have been read, that massive government spending is on the way, and the DoD has manufactured an unknown threat to justify their seat at the money trough.

I won't reject any suggestion of what it is, because they all sound equally absurd.

That's an interesting take. I suppose the Nephilim may have been interdemensional rather than extra terrestrial beings. The aerial phenomena is interesting as well. Why do you think interdimensional demons/angels are in crafts? Or is this the form they take that we have a limited understanding?

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Well none of that matters at all.

Because it's obviously inter dimensional beings that have always been around humanity, since they've been tethered to the same place as us (same place, different dimension), and THEY are what have been mistaken for angels or demons.

Inter dimensional beings ARE the 'aliens', they're ALSO the angels and demons, because they've always been here with us, we humans just call them whatever makes since to us with in our community knowledge.

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I'm actually not against this theory at all. IF the phenomenon is real, I could totally see a scenario in which humanity through the ages has rationalized these beings, who may or may not have the ability to travel between dimensions, as literal angels or demons.

Y'all are going to get a kick out of this, but I've eaten a lot of mushrooms (not right now, haha).

Sometimes you see and interact with other beings, almost as if they're always around, we just don't have the physical capacity to notice then unless we open certain mental or spiritual doors through drug use.

I think it's all government lies, psyopts ground work for a psyopts false flag event. But IF it's not a government program to create fear among the population, then I believe the simplest explanation is that our extra or inter dimensional neighbors are saying hello. Our dimensional neighbors are a lot closer than any aliens, and humanity has been interacting with them for all time...

I'm a traveler of both time and space
To be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race
This world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait
All will be revealed

Q

We're all just fish, swimming around our fishbowl, man, trying to conceive of oxygen, let alone land and space and the stars and the one who feeds us, man. [Riiiiiiiiiip]

this seems appropriate.

Anyway, ...

That New Yorker article is a great summary of the history of UFOlogy as well as a Who's-Who of all the important players. Well worth the read. I found the ending particularly interesting:

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The government may or may not care about the resolution of the U.F.O. enigma. But, in throwing up its hands and granting that there are things it simply cannot figure out, it has relaxed its grip on the taboo. For many, this has been a comfort. In March, I spoke with a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force who said that about a decade ago, during combat, he had an extended encounter with a U.F.O., one that registered on two of his plane's sensors. For all the usual reasons, he had never officially reported the sighting, but every once in a while he'd bring a close friend into his confidence over a beer. He did not want to be named. "Why am I telling you this story?" he asked. "I guess I just want this data out therehopefully this helps somebody else somehow."

The object he'd encountered was about forty feet long, disobeyed the principles of aerodynamics as he understood them, and looked exactly like a giant Tic Tac. "When Commander Fravor's story came out in the New York Times, all my buddies had a jaw-drop moment. Even my old boss called me up and said, 'I read about the Nimitz, and I wanted to say I'm so sorry I called you an idiot.' "

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The best Zeppelin song

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Anyway, ...

That New Yorker article is a great summary of the history of UFOlogy as well as a Who's-Who of all the important players. Well worth the read. I found the ending particularly interesting:

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The government may or may not care about the resolution of the U.F.O. enigma. But, in throwing up its hands and granting that there are things it simply cannot figure out, it has relaxed its grip on the taboo. For many, this has been a comfort. In March, I spoke with a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force who said that about a decade ago, during combat, he had an extended encounter with a U.F.O., one that registered on two of his plane's sensors. For all the usual reasons, he had never officially reported the sighting, but every once in a while he'd bring a close friend into his confidence over a beer. He did not want to be named. "Why am I telling you this story?" he asked. "I guess I just want this data out therehopefully this helps somebody else somehow."

The object he'd encountered was about forty feet long, disobeyed the principles of aerodynamics as he understood them, and looked exactly like a giant Tic Tac. "When Commander Fravor's story came out in the New York Times, all my buddies had a jaw-drop moment. Even my old boss called me up and said, 'I read about the Nimitz, and I wanted to say I'm so sorry I called you an idiot.' "

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Thanks for that. It's liberal so I won't read the New Yorker (that's a joke!)

Anyway, if this is the needed first step towards somebody releasing some ****ing evidence that doesn't suck, let's do this.

Also regarding the mushroom talk... I can tell you there's one time in my entire life that my backyard's grass was crawling around, I cleaned my entire house, discovered my spirit color, and cried for about an hour because my clean room was so beautiful.

I don't think there's many valid conclusions to be reached at times like that. But I do like Cerulean...

I get the disdain for the New Yorker, but you ought to read the article. Trust me, you won't melt. It's a pretty fair and comprehensive recap without a liberal bent.

Wait.. so we went from religion to tripping on shrooms.

I has confuse.

I expected the liberal California Hollywood nut to be the one tripping out and mumbling on about interacting with ghosts.

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I get the disdain for the New Yorker, but you ought to read the article. Trust me, you won't melt. It's a pretty fair and comprehensive recap without a liberal bent.

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I'm just paywalled from it. I read the intro and it seems pretty good.

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The idea that alien beings could have the technology to travel hundreds or thousands of light years, bending time and space in the process, only to crash in New Mexico is hilarious to me.

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What is there to crash into, between here and there?

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Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?

But no, we'll be fine on the trip and then crash when we get to our destination!

In honesty, going near light speed in even the hardest vacuum of interstellar space still puts you in contact with 1 atom every cubic centimeter. It would be unquestionably catastrophic. FTL obviously breaks physics but I think they'd have infinite momentum or energy? I don't think you have to worry about suns or planets.

Envelope math: a tiny tiny spaceship of 1 square meter area, going at the speed of light, would pass through 3x10^8 x 1000 molecules per second. You'll be bombarded with 300 billion particles that will either annihilate themselves as they strike your ship or tear straight through without stopping. At the very least you're building up heat and radiation until you're hurtling through space as a molten radioactive wad.

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In honesty, going near light speed in even the hardest vacuum of interstellar space still puts you in contact with 1 atom every cubic centimeter. It would be unquestionably catastrophic. FTL obviously breaks physics but I think they'd have infinite momentum or energy? I don't think you have to worry about suns or planets.

Envelope math: a tiny tiny spaceship of 1 square meter area, going at the speed of light, would pass through 3x10^8 x 1000 molecules per second. You'll be bombarded with 300 billion particles that will either annihilate themselves as they strike your ship or tear straight through without stopping. At the very least you're building up heat and radiation until you're hurtling through space as a molten radioactive wad.

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Well, that, and the fact that nothing with mass can travel at light-speed.

Unless the speed of light is made irrelevant by bending space-time itself.

A White House Press Secretary being asked to "characterize the President's concerns" on "unidentified aerial phenomenon" from "other countries or other entities" in "U.S. air space" is like something straight out of a sci-fi movie...

5-25-21 White House press secretary Jen Psaki asked about upcoming UAP report from DNI #ufotwitter pic.twitter.com/sp0VOjU5CB

— Jon Majerowski (@JonMajerowski) May 25, 2021

meh.

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A White House Press Secretary being asked to "characterize the President's concerns" on "unidentified aerial phenomenon" from "other countries or other entities" in "U.S. air space" is like something straight out of a sci-fi movie

5-25-21 White House press secretary Jen Psaki asked about upcoming UAP report from DNI #ufotwitter pic.twitter.com/sp0VOjU5CB

— Jon Majerowski (@JonMajerowski) May 25, 2021

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1:30 "we have a team actively working on a report"
then cut to the team of unlikely heroes led by Bruce Willis at a bar drinking

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TCTTS said:

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A White House Press Secretary being asked to "characterize the President's concerns" on "unidentified aerial phenomenon" from "other countries or other entities" in "U.S. air space" is like something straight out of a sci-fi movie

5-25-21 White House press secretary Jen Psaki asked about upcoming UAP report from DNI #ufotwitter pic.twitter.com/sp0VOjU5CB

— Jon Majerowski (@JonMajerowski) May 25, 2021

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1:30 "we have a team actively working on a report"
then cut to the team of unlikely heroes led by Bruce Willis at a bar drinking

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Flashdiaz said:

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TCTTS said:

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A White House Press Secretary being asked to "characterize the President's concerns" on "unidentified aerial phenomenon" from "other countries or other entities" in "U.S. air space" is like something straight out of a sci-fi movie

5-25-21 White House press secretary Jen Psaki asked about upcoming UAP report from DNI #ufotwitter pic.twitter.com/sp0VOjU5CB

— Jon Majerowski (@JonMajerowski) May 25, 2021

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1:30 "we have a team actively working on a report"
then cut to the team of unlikely heroes led by Bruce Willis at a bar drinking

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"Armageddon 2: U-F-Ohhh Yeah..."

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Unless the speed of light is made irrelevant by bending space-time itself.

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And, again, if they have the tech to do that, I find it hilarious that they would crash in New Mexico after coming all that way.

I do too. That multiple UFOs have crashed on earth - as many "experts" claim - has always seemed highly suspect to me. But like I said earlier, IF Roswell was the result of TWO alien craft somehow crashing into each other, during a lightning storm, I could potentially buy that happening ONCE. A perfect storm, if you will. As unlikely as that scenario is, it's the witness testimony above all - Jesse's Marcel's, primarily - that has me curious. His story is just so damn convincing, and makes so much sense (relatively speaking). And then so many people have backed up his claims. So, ultimately, I don't know what to think.

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In honesty, going near light speed in even the hardest vacuum of interstellar space still puts you in contact with 1 atom every cubic centimeter. It would be unquestionably catastrophic. FTL obviously breaks physics but I think they'd have infinite momentum or energy? I don't think you have to worry about suns or planets.

Envelope math: a tiny tiny spaceship of 1 square meter area, going at the speed of light, would pass through 3x10^8 x 1000 molecules per second. You'll be bombarded with 300 billion particles that will either annihilate themselves as they strike your ship or tear straight through without stopping. At the very least you're building up heat and radiation until you're hurtling through space as a molten radioactive wad.

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DEFLECTOR DISH

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Navigational_deflector