*** Q: INTO THE STORM *** (HBO Docuseries)

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aggieforester05 said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Don't expect too much, he won't except the reality of the insurrection. Hell defend those people like cruz would defend someone that insulted his wife


I've done no such thing, quit lying. I was disgusted the moment I saw them going past security into the capital and I immediately called them out on the thread that day. I just enjoy pointing out leftist hypocrisy every chance I get.
Sounds like you aren't mad that these people were committing crimes just that they got caught committing these crimes. As if lying to federal agents and not disclosing your foreign lobbying are somehow made ok because they came out in the Russia investigation.
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Old McDonald said:

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. there's an intense and pervasive sense of "us vs. them" festering in that community, hence their inability to leave threads like these alone/their disdain and anger when they venture out of their enclave and find their more toxic beliefs aren't enthusiastically reinforced.
The same can be said about the anti-Q community as well, no? Could anti-Q response (online and by officials) be its own siloed conspiratorial echo-chamber responding to the Q conspiracies. Almost a prophecy fulfilled not by the creators but instead by those responding to the possibility of crazies?


disagree that anti-Q sentiment is conspiratorial or echo chamber-y. agree that it feeds the persecution complex of the Q faithful and encourages them to dig in and double down, and is not productive.
But that's the self-fulfilling prophecy. Q supports were/are fairly benign and authorities, the media and general public surmised that the one-off acts of extremists represented the entirety of the group. One example defining all others. This is siloed and conspiratorial thinking perpetuated by the authorities and law enforcement officials about Q supporters. And by state actors expecting and preparing to stop Q supporters actions, it only emboldened more extremist behavior that would otherwise not have occurred. As we've seen with many protests over the last few years, police presence can inflame and instigate riots.
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Duncan Idaho said:

"process crimes" also known as "crimes"

This is the weakest sauce you guys bring. It is the mayonnaise of defenses.


Quit being obtuse, I know you're not this dumb. No one is claiming they weren't convicted of crimes, just that those crimes were unrelated to "Russian collusion".
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WES2006AG said:

aggieforester05 said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Don't expect too much, he won't except the reality of the insurrection. Hell defend those people like cruz would defend someone that insulted his wife


I've done no such thing, quit lying. I was disgusted the moment I saw them going past security into the capital and I immediately called them out on the thread that day. I just enjoy pointing out leftist hypocrisy every chance I get.
Sounds like you aren't mad that these people were committing crimes just that they got caught committing these crimes. As if lying to federal agents and not disclosing your foreign lobbying are somehow made ok because they came out in the Russia investigation.


Again, stop being obtuse and dishonest. You know what I meant.
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Duncan Idaho said:

aggieforester05 said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Don't expect too much, he won't except the reality of the insurrection. Hell defend those people like cruz would defend someone that insulted his wife


I've done no such thing, quit lying. I was disgusted the moment I saw them going past security into the capital and I immediately called them out on the thread that day. I just enjoy pointing out leftist hypocrisy every chance I get.

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, I'd bet that they were all in on Trump pee pee tapes, police hunting down black men, Trump is a Russian agent, Jan 6th was an organized insurrection, Kavanaugh was a serial rapist


Sure seems like you are dismissing them away as a liberal hoax.


Maybe if you have the reading comprehension of a Kindergartener.
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aggieforester05 said:

Old McDonald said:

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All you're saying is that intelligent people can be low information. That's not a phenomenon exclusive to the right. That quote was correctly attributed to the left in the eighties and remains true to this day. We likely disagree on the extent of its veracity in reference to either side, but expect to get some push back on a thread full of lefties thumbing their noses at "those wacky right wingers" after the last four years of hysterical insanity on display from the left. It's not so much about protecting Q believers but pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and tearing down their false sense of intellectual superiority. Glass house reference indeed...


this equivocation between Qanon and the left's pet hoaxes is a staple of f16 and just rings hollow. if you don't see the order of magnitude difference between believing russiagate/peepee tapes/jussie/whatever example you want from the last five years and believing there's a satanic cabal of pedophilic cannibals controlling the world, then I don't know what to else to say.


It really doesn't when you look at it in aggregate. Sure Q people might have been off the rails, but they are a very small subset of "the right" and most on the right ignored them. Yes the sane people on the right should have pushed back harder, but the left was so off the rails insane regarding Trump that they were the focus of the rational right's resistance. The left on the other hand peddles in conspiracy theories daily and they are celebrated and parroted by main stream news sources. Blatant democrat lies are taken at face value and relentlessly parroted without a single critical thought being applied. Seemingly any accusation against the Trump administration got legs no matter how crazy. I'm sure if you dig you'll find left wing conspiracies just as crazy as Q in the depths of Twitter, Reddit, and DU. There won't be an HBO documentary made about them though.

BlueAnon is a real problem. They are peddling conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory with very little pushback. You have many on the left that think the Republican Party is full of fascists Nazi sympathizers, going so far as to claim that the CPAC stage was intentionally designed to look like a Nazi symbol. You have a whole movement of violent left wing morons that think they're fighting fascism by using fascist tactics.

Hard to take you guys seriously when you complain about crazy conspiracy theorists when the left spent four years writing the book on crazy because "her turn" didn't work out.


yeah, that's precisely the point. we're not talking about an "aggregate" here, we're talking about a specific subset of a political coalition (in this case Qanon and its adherents), and that coalition's tendency to harbor, embrace, and even defend the subset's dangerous outputs.

hence me contesting the equivocation. when your defense of Qanon amounts to "yeah but what about all these things people on the left believed, when you put it all together it's just as bad" all you're really doing is lazily attacking your crowdsourced totem for the nebulous "left".
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Again not defending QAnon, just pointing out the left's gravitation towards conspiracy theory is certainly no weaker than those on the right.
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This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.
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Not sure why the left can't see its polarization. It may be less insane considering the vast repository of utter bullsh** in years of "q drops", but it is arguably more impactful as it relates to to penetration and the hijacking of the party.

Occupy movement, which splintered and also led into the socialist based Anonymous movement. These factions splintered multiple times over with more going down increasingly narrow paths. Antifa strengthens and BLM emerges after the Travyon incident, with both having more and more mainstream acceptance, but both also being formed out of tactics and methods used and by the same perpetrators. Occupy penetrated all the way to the Bernie movement, which was more mainstream than anyone ever thought possible. But the fix was in and Hillary won the primary, which furthered the resolve of this movement, further empowered antifa, etc. The green new deal and squadies gained power and took over the party. There are tangential conspiracies along the way, like Russiagate and others that were mentioned. Trump seemed to bring even more out. Not sure how many smoking guns we saw before he was impeached. Enter George Floyd and we have a massive socialist supporting ideology that has penetrated the corporate and investing world, through ESG investment targets, etc.

On the right, you do have a response to Obama that led to the tea party movement. This grew out of a lot of liberty based anti government mentality. You also have the effectiveness of anonymous, and elements that teamed up on gamer gate. Then you get into the trump rise and pizza gate was an easy follow from something that was sure to come out of the Wikileaks drops. Continually shamed, these degenerate elements dug in and further weaponized the movement and core beliefs with Q. Q has certainly penetrated mainstream ideology, whether through a belief in Q or simply because the liberty based anti government tendencies were always there and have allowed this snake oil to be sold.

The left will refute that it's alt-left fringe movement has anything to do with BLM, which they believe is sacrosanct and you're a racist for ridiculing or taking issue with their beliefs. However, every single movement grows from some level of injustice, whether real or perceived. Every one.

And like I mentioned, the continued polarization through algorithms will only keep us going down this path. One where we struggle to even understand the others point of view, and certainly struggle to accept that our own is tainted. This is a hurdle with Q followers to this day.
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Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.
people in general are good.

people in capitalism can succeed by being good.

people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

that is why as government grew, the country faltered.

i disagree with the generalization about conspiracy theories.... there are numerous absolutely OUTLANDISH, ABSURD conspiracy theories that have since been proven to be true. poisoning us citizens on purpose for medical studies, drugging unsuspecting us citizens to death for mind control studies, planning on false flag attacks in the US, you name it
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ruddyduck said:

expresswrittenconsent said:

Voting is the backbone of the concept of America. One party wants to limit it as much as possible rather than try to appeal to the average American. It is the same party that has only won the popular vote in 1 of the last 8 presidential elections. It's the same party that was soundly defeated in the last election but acted like a spoiled toddler refusing to accept reality. It's the same party who's leader encouraged the capitol riots (and multiple deaths including a cop) from a few blocks away. You need to clean your fkin house. It's rat infested.


funny how you never came back to this when asked for clarification of your accusations.




Just a bump for this. Can someone please explain why Georgia is guilty of voter suppression and New York is not?
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snowdog90 said:

ruddyduck said:

expresswrittenconsent said:

Voting is the backbone of the concept of America. One party wants to limit it as much as possible rather than try to appeal to the average American. It is the same party that has only won the popular vote in 1 of the last 8 presidential elections. It's the same party that was soundly defeated in the last election but acted like a spoiled toddler refusing to accept reality. It's the same party who's leader encouraged the capitol riots (and multiple deaths including a cop) from a few blocks away. You need to clean your fkin house. It's rat infested.


funny how you never came back to this when asked for clarification of your accusations.




Just a bump for this. Can someone please explain why Georgia is guilty of voter suppression and New York is not?


Because the post is a lie
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I posted that, if true, NY needs to change that
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2 other things.

Someone said that to believe in conspiracy theories takes a weak-minded person. I guess this is true in some cases. But what of the inverse? What kind of a mind does it take to just believe what you are told? I submit that you don't need a mind at all, you just needs functioning ears.

Secondly, to label the Q movement as dangerous does not comport with reality. What acts of violence have been carried out in Q's name? What violent acts has Q inspired or called for? Antifa and BLM have caused much more terror and violence, it's not even close. Yet, somehow the Q movement is "dangerous".
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AgfromHOU said:

I posted that, if true, NY needs to change that


Which parts? If someone already posted the proof that this post was a lie, I apologize.
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All of it. Extend early voting (maybe a happy medium between their number and Georgia's), allow food and water without labels (which is no different than not allowing candidate shirts in the voting stations), and expand absentee voting, especially if they are pushing mail in votes in the future.

And sorry, this will be my last non-related post on this thread. Carry on!
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AgfromHOU said:

All of it. Extend early voting (maybe a happy medium between their number and Georgia's), allow food and water without labels (which is no different than not allowing candidate shirts in the voting stations), and expand absentee voting, especially if they are pushing mail in votes in the future.

And sorry, this will be my last non-related post on this thread. Carry on!


Well, here's a NY Post article that disagrees with you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/04/05/sorry-schumer-mlb-georgias-voting-laws-less-restrictive-than-nys/amp/
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It doesn't disagree with me at all. I offered a suggestion as to how NY can change their laws to be less restrictive. I never said the tweet was wrong.

You asked me what parts of NY voting laws I would change and I said all of it.
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AgfromHOU said:

It doesn't disagree with me at all. I offered a suggestion as to how NY can change their laws to be less restrictive. I never said the tweet was wrong.

You asked me what parts of NY voting laws I would change and I said all of it.


I guess I misunderstood. The point is. Georgia's laws are not suppression, and the uproar against Georgia is lies, propaganda and manipulation.
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A tabloid opinion piece, what did Ron Watkins not weigh in yet.

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Another Doug said:

A tabloid opinion piece, what did Ron Watkins not weigh in yet.




Great example of a typical f16 liberal response. Don't refute the substance, attack the messenger. Is what the "tabloid" said true?
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snowdog90 said:

Another Doug said:

A tabloid opinion piece, what did Ron Watkins not weigh in yet.




Great example of a typical f16 liberal response. Don't refute the substance, attack the messenger. Is what the "tabloid" said true?


It's a tabloid opinion piece, truth is not its purpose. It's purpose to stir the pot.
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Another Doug said:

snowdog90 said:

Another Doug said:

A tabloid opinion piece, what did Ron Watkins not weigh in yet.




Great example of a typical f16 liberal response. Don't refute the substance, attack the messenger. Is what the "tabloid" said true?


It's a tabloid opinion piece, truth is not its purpose. It's purpose to stir the pot.


If truth was not the purpose, tell me where they lied?

Who's purpose is to stir the pot? A tabloid that reports the truth, or the mainstream media who opines that the new Georgia laws are "voter suppression", even though those laws are less restrictive than New York's current laws?
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cbr said:

Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.


people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

You including public companies, churches and charities in this red hot well thought out take?
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ATM9000 said:

cbr said:

Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.


people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

You including public companies, churches and charities in this red hot well thought out take?


And here we are.. equivocating earned income and volunteered charity income with taxes. I always joke that the left is economically ignorant and then y'all go and prove me correct.
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So it's ok for a charity to use their bully pulpit to influence your vote and behavior but not a company?
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Care to elaborate which ones?
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snowdog90 said:

Another Doug said:

snowdog90 said:

Another Doug said:

A tabloid opinion piece, what did Ron Watkins not weigh in yet.




Great example of a typical f16 liberal response. Don't refute the substance, attack the messenger. Is what the "tabloid" said true?


It's a tabloid opinion piece, truth is not its purpose. It's purpose to stir the pot.


If truth was not the purpose, tell me where they lied?

Who's purpose is to stir the pot? A tabloid that reports the truth, or the mainstream media who opines that the new Georgia laws are "voter suppression", even though those laws are less restrictive than New York's current laws?


It's not "reporting" , it's an opinion piece in a MSM tabloid.
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mazag08 said:

ATM9000 said:

cbr said:

Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.


people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

You including public companies, churches and charities in this red hot well thought out take?


And here we are.. equivocating earned income and volunteered charity income with taxes. I always joke that the left is economically ignorant and then y'all go and prove me correct.


Then that poster should not *****foot around with weird broad philosophical tales that make zero sense and just cut to the point which in reality is 'I don't like paying taxes' because that's what this comes down to doesn't it? I mean I don't like paying taxes either.

That's a hell of a lot more to the point than casting nonsense generalizations in order to call the government evil.

Sorry you are offended by me asking a question on what is unequivocally a really stupid take.
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mazag08 said:

ATM9000 said:

cbr said:

Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.


people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

You including public companies, churches and charities in this red hot well thought out take?


And here we are.. equivocating earned income and volunteered charity income with taxes. I always joke that the left is economically ignorant and then y'all go and prove me correct.


Did you learn that at your state subsidized university?
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Another Doug said:

mazag08 said:

ATM9000 said:

cbr said:

Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.


people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

You including public companies, churches and charities in this red hot well thought out take?


And here we are.. equivocating earned income and volunteered charity income with taxes. I always joke that the left is economically ignorant and then y'all go and prove me correct.


Did you learn that at your state subsidized university?
Some. Most economics I learned in my actual career to date. But I did learn some very basic principles at my state subsidized university that I paid 200% more than I should.

And what a bizarre take. You've got quite a few where you attempt to condescendingly slam dunk on those you are arguing with while forming some incredibly hypocritical and idiotic opinions.

But it's forum 13 where most are on team blue and you get lots of pats on the back for doing the exact thing that you claim evil mean forum 16 does.

So you've got that going for you.
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ATM9000 said:

mazag08 said:

ATM9000 said:

cbr said:

Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.


people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

You including public companies, churches and charities in this red hot well thought out take?


And here we are.. equivocating earned income and volunteered charity income with taxes. I always joke that the left is economically ignorant and then y'all go and prove me correct.


Then that poster should not *****foot around with weird broad philosophical tales that make zero sense and just cut to the point which in reality is 'I don't like paying taxes' because that's what this comes down to doesn't it? I mean I don't like paying taxes either.

That's a hell of a lot more to the point than casting nonsense generalizations in order to call the government evil.

Sorry you are offended by me asking a question on what is unequivocally a really stupid take.
Not offended at all. More dumbfounded at the complete lack of economic understanding. But I expect that when I come forum 13.
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snowdog90 said:

Secondly, to label the Q movement as dangerous does not comport with reality. What acts of violence have been carried out in Q's name? What violent acts has Q inspired or called for? Antifa and BLM have caused much more terror and violence, it's not even close. Yet, somehow the Q movement is "dangerous".
Remember that whole Capitol Hill riot/insurection thing? The one where police officers were killed?

That one.
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mazag08 said:

Another Doug said:

mazag08 said:

ATM9000 said:

cbr said:

Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.


people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

You including public companies, churches and charities in this red hot well thought out take?


And here we are.. equivocating earned income and volunteered charity income with taxes. I always joke that the left is economically ignorant and then y'all go and prove me correct.


Did you learn that at your state subsidized university?
Some. Most economics I learned in my actual career to date. But I did learn some very basic principles at my state subsidized university that I paid 200% more than I should.

And what a bizarre take. You've got quite a few where you attempt to condescendingly slam dunk on those you are arguing with while forming some incredibly hypocritical and idiotic opinions.

But it's forum 13 where most are on team blue and you get lots of pats on the back for doing the exact thing that you claim evil mean forum 16 does.

So you've got that going for you.



My opinions on this thread....
Qanon is fake and it's believers should be laughed at
Texags association with q-anon was an embarrassment
I believe in well funded social programs
Social programs have been integral to America
Racism exists
Don't get news from tweets or tabloid op-eds

Note: above are opinions, not facts for those of you that have trouble telling the difference

Also, hard to consider 16chan "evil or mean" when they are all a bunch of whiny victims who fall for conspiracy theories

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Another Doug said:

mazag08 said:

Another Doug said:

mazag08 said:

ATM9000 said:

cbr said:

Charpie said:

This is true.

In order to fall for a conspiracy theory, you have to be weak minded and have something fundamentally missing in your life. It happens to lots of people. I mean, look at MFBARNES trolls that so many people fell for.

People in general are good. But sometimes people let the guard down when something that appeals to them gets tossed to them. Rather than being skeptical of things, we choose to believe. And it will bite you in the ass every single time.

Time to move on.


people cannot succeed in government, or in any venture using other people's money, by being good. only by being corrupt and devious.

You including public companies, churches and charities in this red hot well thought out take?


And here we are.. equivocating earned income and volunteered charity income with taxes. I always joke that the left is economically ignorant and then y'all go and prove me correct.


Did you learn that at your state subsidized university?
Some. Most economics I learned in my actual career to date. But I did learn some very basic principles at my state subsidized university that I paid 200% more than I should.

And what a bizarre take. You've got quite a few where you attempt to condescendingly slam dunk on those you are arguing with while forming some incredibly hypocritical and idiotic opinions.

But it's forum 13 where most are on team blue and you get lots of pats on the back for doing the exact thing that you claim evil mean forum 16 does.

So you've got that going for you.



My opinions on this thread....
Qanon is fake and it's believers should be laughed at
Texags association with q-anon was an embarrassment
I believe in well funded social programs
Social programs have been integral to America
Racism exists
Don't get news from tweets or tabloid op-eds

Note: above are opinions, not facts for those of you that have trouble telling the difference

Also, hard to consider 16chan "evil or mean" when they are all a bunch of whiny victims who fall for conspiracy theories


Ya, just ignore that you think Russiagate wasn't a hoax and that you doubled and tripled down it. Nothing to see here.


Go team blue go!

 
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