AgfromHOU said:
Audits have justified the results.
no they haven't
Also, what's sensible about closing voting locations and making it illegal to give someone a bottle of water waiting in line? Especially when that line is longer than it's supposed to be because of the closed voting locations and methods?
I'm not sure for what reason any polling locations have been closed but ballot drop boxes should be done away with because they are ripe for ballot harvesters. The water bottle issue was related to political operatives handing out bottles labeled with political paraphenalia past the line where campaigning is supposed to cease. Water can still be passed out by poll workers and people are allowed to bring their own water.
I'm all for a legal ID being required, but the bull**** attached to it is, well, bull***** bull**** if only viewed based on the gross distortions of the truth used in Democrat narratives.
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aggieforester05 said:AgfromHOU said:
Audits have justified the results.
no they haven't
Also, what's sensible about closing voting locations and making it illegal to give someone a bottle of water waiting in line? Especially when that line is longer than it's supposed to be because of the closed voting locations and methods?
I'm not sure for what reason any polling locations have been closed but ballot drop boxes should be done away with because they are ripe for ballot harvesters. The water bottle issue was related to political operatives handing out bottles labeled with political paraphenalia past the line where campaigning is supposed to cease. Water can still be passed out by poll workers and people are allowed to bring their own water.
I'm all for a legal ID being required, but the bull**** attached to it is, well, bull***** bull**** if only viewed based on the gross distortions of the truth used in Democrat narratives.
1. https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statewide_audit_of_paper_ballots_upholds_result_of_presidential_race
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/03/02/michigan-election-audit-results/6884982002/
2. You were told they were ripe for fraud by one side, totally safe by the other. Truth is in between, but Republicans in California created fake boxes to defraud voters and also some randos set them on fire because of what the right was saying. The left isn't always right, and the right isn't either.
3. I don't follow democrat narratives. I follow both sides because I want to make as informed decisions as possible and not fall into the Q trap or CNN. Even you have to agree closing voting locations is bull***** Banning water is bull*****
Requiring IDs is not bull****
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AgfromHOU said:
Audits have justified the results.
no they haven't
If this is your stance, there is literally no point in engaging with you any more. There have been audit, recounts, manual recounts, manual recounts with signature validation done by republican officials in republican states and they all showed no material fraud.
But yet the only response is to scream loudly that it wasn't the right kind of audit.
It is like the people that are still trying to defend HCQ over treatments like Monoclonal antibodies. While studies for Monoclonal antibodies were cancelled because they were proven to be so effective that it was considered immoral to continue given the placebo to participatant, No study has shown that HCQ is effective. And all the HCQ jihadist can do is scream "it wasn't the right kind of trail."
There's a big difference. The left is actually trying to make changes to America, many changes that have 100% historic failure rate and other changes that are emotionally based with no consideration for unintended consequences. They're also hell bent on dividing Americans by race because that is their key to power as demographics change. Basically all the right does now is try to stop the left from "progressing" in the wrong direction. They need to do more and overturn some of the liberal failures of the past. The right certainly isn't without it's faults, but those who think the right hates America and is hoping for it's destruction couldn't be more wrong. On the other hand, I don't believe most leftist hate America and hope for it's destruction (although some do), but they certainly want to make foolish changes that will lead to it's decline. They also have no problem using lies and deceit to get what they want. Those on the center right that against Trump were heavily influenced by the onslaught of relentless anti Trump propaganda that was brainwashing people for four years straight. Only a complete a total moron would think Biden would be better in any way and that's considering that Trump left A LOT to be desired. It was an election between (Trump) a giant ****** with mostly good policy positions and (Biden) a turd sandwich with horrible policy positions.Duncan Idaho said:
You know how much you fear the left and see everything they do as the destruction of America? That is how much the left fears the right and thinks they hate America. Add in how many on the center right were disgusted by trump s behavior, sickened by trolls like bannon, miller, the other miller, and trump's complete incompetence of a covid response and the only thing surprising about the election was that Biden only got 81mm votes.
The funny/sad thing is if trump had responded to covid in a similar fashion to ardern in new zealand (made it patriotic to follow all NPIs and mourned every lost life), he would have won 49 states and probably been able to get the 22nd repealed.
The Covid response narrative is just complete and utter bull ***** COVID was unprecedented and there's zero evidence that any Democrat would have handled it better. Most likely it would have been worse.
Same goes for you, you seem to be content living in your little confirmation bias information bubble of left wing propaganda. That's okay, but there's mountains of information out there that is contrary to your narratives if you care to get a bigger picture.Duncan Idaho said:Quote:
AgfromHOU said:
Audits have justified the results.
no they haven't
If this is your stance, there is literally no point in engaging with you any more. There have been audit, recounts, manual recounts, manual recounts with signature validation done by republican officials in republican states and they all showed no material fraud.
But yet the only response is to scream loudly that it wasn't the right kind of audit.
It is like the people that are still trying to defend HCQ over treatments like Monoclonal antibodies. While studies for Monoclonal antibodies were cancelled because they were proven to be so effective that it was considered immoral to continue given the placebo to participatant, No study has shown that HCQ is effective. And all the HCQ jihadist can do is scream "it wasn't the right kind of trail."
I think you believe you're being clever here but I read this as answering the trolley problem that the 500k+ covid deaths laid at the feet at Trump, may have been worthwhile in order to keep Trump from getting reelected. That's crazy my friend, almost conspiratorial, Duncan-Anon. So, I'm going to give you a chance to reconsider and reword the post because what you are suggesting is kind of unethical, has a strange cause/effect analysis, and generally lacks appreciation of second- and third-order unintended consequences.Duncan Idaho said:
The funny/sad thing is if trump had responded to covid in a similar fashion to ardern in new zealand (made it patriotic to follow all NPIs and mourned every lost life), he would have won 49 states and probably been able to get the 22nd repealed.
Speaking as someone who spent a career at preventing and detecting financial fraud, I will tell you that some of these processes are so bad that proving or disproving fraud is impossible. Poor chain of custody, no way to link validity, no way to confirm identification, etc. You can try to paint me as some Trump crackpot. That's not the case. My stance is that neither side really has any idea how accurate our results were because not only is the process faulty, there is no reliable trail in some of these methods to confirm either way after-the-fact. It's a mess. A bank whose controls were this faulty would find the Justice Dept camped out in their offices.
I've been voting since 1992. My choice has taken plenty of losses. I can take an L. I simply want to see a good process that the public can trust. We do not have one in many states right now; some are below 3rd world country standards.
I've been voting since 1992. My choice has taken plenty of losses. I can take an L. I simply want to see a good process that the public can trust. We do not have one in many states right now; some are below 3rd world country standards.
The difference is that Republicans will be held accountable and Democrats will not. The media will spin any evidence of Democrat voter fraud and it will be ignored.AgfromHOU said:aggieforester05 said:AgfromHOU said:
Audits have justified the results.
no they haven't
Also, what's sensible about closing voting locations and making it illegal to give someone a bottle of water waiting in line? Especially when that line is longer than it's supposed to be because of the closed voting locations and methods?
I'm not sure for what reason any polling locations have been closed but ballot drop boxes should be done away with because they are ripe for ballot harvesters. The water bottle issue was related to political operatives handing out bottles labeled with political paraphenalia past the line where campaigning is supposed to cease. Water can still be passed out by poll workers and people are allowed to bring their own water.
I'm all for a legal ID being required, but the bull**** attached to it is, well, bull***** bull**** if only viewed based on the gross distortions of the truth used in Democrat narratives.
1. https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statewide_audit_of_paper_ballots_upholds_result_of_presidential_race
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/03/02/michigan-election-audit-results/6884982002/
2. You were told they were ripe for fraud by one side, totally safe by the other. Truth is in between, but Republicans in California created fake boxes to defraud voters and also some randos set them on fire because of what the right was saying. The left isn't always right, and the right isn't either.
3. I don't follow democrat narratives. I follow both sides because I want to make as informed decisions as possible and not fall into the Q trap or CNN. Even you have to agree closing voting locations is bull***** Banning water is bull*****
Requiring IDs is not bull****
Again, I haven't researched the claims of polling locations being closed, but polling locations are changed and moved every election. The water bottle issue has been addressed.
Re: closing voting locations. They aren't just changing, but actually reducing the number of locations to vote in certain counties.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/georgia-counties-cut-back-early-voting-sites-ahead-senate-runoffs-n1250307
This one was about mail in votes, but doesn't change my point.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54380684
Changing voting locations between elections is fine. Reducing the number of locations in the counties you don't like (no matter if that person is an R or D) is awful and suppresses votes. Voting should be easier, not harder.
A ton of states (places like California included for sake of fairness) have greatly reduced the number of voting sites in the last 10 years. Continuing to propose and sign more laws that close polling places is unAmerican, period.
I'm not sitting here acting like the Dems are free of faults. I have plenty of bones to pick with them. However, to sit here and act like the Republican way is the best way and only way is just wrong.
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In Cobb County, the state's third most populous county with more than 760,000 residents, election officials have announced five early voting locations, fewer than half of the 11 used for early voting ahead of last month's general election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/georgia-counties-cut-back-early-voting-sites-ahead-senate-runoffs-n1250307
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Some of the state's largest counties had already set up multiple drop-off sites. Harris County, home to the city of Houston and some four million residents, must now close 11 drop-off locations, the Houston Chronicle reported.
This one was about mail in votes, but doesn't change my point.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54380684
Changing voting locations between elections is fine. Reducing the number of locations in the counties you don't like (no matter if that person is an R or D) is awful and suppresses votes. Voting should be easier, not harder.
A ton of states (places like California included for sake of fairness) have greatly reduced the number of voting sites in the last 10 years. Continuing to propose and sign more laws that close polling places is unAmerican, period.
I'm not sitting here acting like the Dems are free of faults. I have plenty of bones to pick with them. However, to sit here and act like the Republican way is the best way and only way is just wrong.
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expresswrittenconsent said:
Voting is the backbone of the concept of America. One party wants to limit it as much as possible rather than try to appeal to the average American. It is the same party that has only won the popular vote in 1 of the last 8 presidential elections. It's the same party that was soundly defeated in the last election but acted like a spoiled toddler refusing to accept reality. It's the same party who's leader encouraged the capitol riots (and multiple deaths including a cop) from a few blocks away. You need to clean your fkin house. It's rat infested.
funny how you never came back to this when asked for clarification of your accusations.
If our elections are rife with fraud there will be a trail of evidence that will continue to be exposed.. I imagine patriots like Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell, Mike Lindell and Ron Watkins who led the way during the stop the steal movement will continue to fight the good fight for what is good for our nation until Evil companies like Dominion go back to Venezuela.
And NY should change that
The issue with a private ballot (which should remain private) is that after-the-fact detection becomes impossible if the processes along the way were poor or not followed. Garbage in, garbage out, recount garbage, still garbage out. It's the ol absence of evidence is not evidence of absence issue. Some things here can be validated. Many cannot.
Both sides are wrong on a lot of this, and it's because a lousy process has allowed it
Both sides are wrong on a lot of this, and it's because a lousy process has allowed it
According to my research, this is not true. You are allowed to give food/drink that has a retail value of under $1 as long as you are not identified with who is supplying it.ruddyduck said:expresswrittenconsent said:
Voting is the backbone of the concept of America. One party wants to limit it as much as possible rather than try to appeal to the average American. It is the same party that has only won the popular vote in 1 of the last 8 presidential elections. It's the same party that was soundly defeated in the last election but acted like a spoiled toddler refusing to accept reality. It's the same party who's leader encouraged the capitol riots (and multiple deaths including a cop) from a few blocks away. You need to clean your fkin house. It's rat infested.
funny how you never came back to this when asked for clarification of your accusations.
You might want to look into what Zuckerberg's 350 million did prior to the 2020 election. It concentrated huge amounts of money into increasing voting locations and drop boxes in the urban areas of swing states in a clear effort to change the outcome of the election. I'm not in a position at the moment to research this, but I'd suspect this was an effort to counter his influence. I've in no way implied everything the Republicans do is good. I'm saying the accusations of racism regarding these laws are straight up disgusting lies. They may be designed to prevent socialists from winning in perpetuity via ballot harvesting, but that doesn't make them racist.
Ok. Sounds like snopes. This is UNTRUE! FALSE WITH A RATING OF FOUR PINOCHIOS!! If the water has a retail value of under $1 they are able to serve it in line, despite not being able to find a bottle of water anywhere for less than $1 - the statement is still untrue because theoretically they can get the water out of the 25 cent vending machine at Costco!!! FALSE!!!!
I didn't bring up racism in my claims at all.
I'm also at a loss as to why more voting locations is a bad thing. More locations means shorter lines which means more votes and people can check IDs better. More early voting also does this.
Zuckerberg also allowed a right wing echo chamber to occur on Facebook to drive more traffic to it. Little bit of playing both sides there in my opinion.
I'm also at a loss as to why more voting locations is a bad thing. More locations means shorter lines which means more votes and people can check IDs better. More early voting also does this.
Zuckerberg also allowed a right wing echo chamber to occur on Facebook to drive more traffic to it. Little bit of playing both sides there in my opinion.
Not going to lie, I literally laughed out loud when I saw the large systems technical expert on voting machines that read Dominion's voting manual and began perpetuating the narrative that possession of the physical machine meant power to switch votes. Was not expecting that.
BCG Disciple said:
Ok. Sounds like snopes. This is UNTRUE! FALSE WITH A RATING OF FOUR PINOCHIOS!! If the water has a retail value of under $1 they are able to serve it in line, despite not being able to find a bottle of water anywhere for less than $1 - the statement is still untrue because theoretically they can get the water out of the 25 cent vending machine at Costco!!! FALSE!!!!
You can go anywhere and buy a pack of water for less than $1 a bottle.
I think there is a tradeoff. Certainly people need to access without significant difficulty. But as long as that threshold is being met, I do think there is value to fewer locations. They can build more scale (2 locations doesn't necessarily mean shorter wait) and better security processes. I like the idea of mega-centers that can push thru high volumes of people quickly, along with allowing for better supervision of process. Again, they need to be accessible without great burden, but more doesnt mean better.
The more distributed processes get - especially when temporary anyway - the more indovidual clusterF's that tend to happen.
The more distributed processes get - especially when temporary anyway - the more indovidual clusterF's that tend to happen.
Just get a banana. What does it cost? Like $10?
The retail value of a bottle of water costs more than a $1 in NYC....Quote:
According to my research, this is not true. You are allowed to give food/drink that has a retail value of under $1 as long as you are not identified with who is supplying it.
Approved pushcart prices are even higher...
https://www.nycgovparks.org/opportunities/concessions/pushcart-prices
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Soda (12 fl. oz.) $1.25
Soda (20 fl. oz., plastic bottle only) $2.00
Juice (20 fl. oz., plastic bottle only) $2.00
Bottled water (24 fl. oz.) $2.00
Apple & Eve drink $3.00
Gatorade (20 fl. oz.) $3.00
AgfromHOU said:
Just get a banana. What does it cost? Like $10?
Guys on the side of the road entering the Holland Tunnel sell water for $1. Retail value is much higher...Another Doug said:BCG Disciple said:
Ok. Sounds like snopes. This is UNTRUE! FALSE WITH A RATING OF FOUR PINOCHIOS!! If the water has a retail value of under $1 they are able to serve it in line, despite not being able to find a bottle of water anywhere for less than $1 - the statement is still untrue because theoretically they can get the water out of the 25 cent vending machine at Costco!!! FALSE!!!!
You can go anywhere and buy a pack of water for less than $1 a bottle.
tysker said:Guys on the side of the road entering the Holland Tunnel sell water for $1. Retail value is much higher...Another Doug said:BCG Disciple said:
Ok. Sounds like snopes. This is UNTRUE! FALSE WITH A RATING OF FOUR PINOCHIOS!! If the water has a retail value of under $1 they are able to serve it in line, despite not being able to find a bottle of water anywhere for less than $1 - the statement is still untrue because theoretically they can get the water out of the 25 cent vending machine at Costco!!! FALSE!!!!
You can go anywhere and buy a pack of water for less than $1 a bottle.
It's almost as if the Holland tunnel guys found a place that sells water for a retail price less than a dollar, maybe even packages it in a nice carrying case. What a strange hill to die on. I should quit my job and just begin selling water to the dudes on 16chan.
Not dying on the hill just presenting facts (as I know them) to contradict the assumptions, logic and word choice of your statement. Words matter and word choice matters. Any anti-Q-anon should appreciate the subtleties of BS language.Another Doug said:tysker said:Guys on the side of the road entering the Holland Tunnel sell water for $1. Retail value is much higher...Another Doug said:BCG Disciple said:
Ok. Sounds like snopes. This is UNTRUE! FALSE WITH A RATING OF FOUR PINOCHIOS!! If the water has a retail value of under $1 they are able to serve it in line, despite not being able to find a bottle of water anywhere for less than $1 - the statement is still untrue because theoretically they can get the water out of the 25 cent vending machine at Costco!!! FALSE!!!!
You can go anywhere and buy a pack of water for less than $1 a bottle.
It's almost as if the Holland tunnel guys found a place that sells water for a retail price less than a dollar, maybe even packages it in a nice carrying case. What a strange hill to die on. I should quit my job and just begin selling water to the dudes on 16chan.
To be fair the guys selling on the NJ side as its illegal to sell out of your coolers on the NY side due to lack of licensing and retail controls (thus the higher prices in NYC)
Anyone know how many posts on this thread are actually about the documentary?
AgfromHOU said:
Just get a banana. What does it cost? Like $10?
Interestingly I have this old picture from SBUX when NYC started requiring calorie labeling in chain restaurants. Taken on March 21, 2009 the retail price of a banana at a midtown SBUX 12 years ago was just under $1. Assuming inflation and depending on your interpretation of retail price, a banana may not be allowed to be provided in line by NY law.
Almost immediately, this thread basically crashed and burned, redeemed itself for a brief shining moment, soon turned into pure sh*t again, some random cantankerous dude showed up 10 pages in to scold me in truly bizarre fashion, the sh*t got even deeper and more heated, then, against all odds, an argument broke out about [checks notes] *water*... and now people are posting 10-year-old pics of bananas from their photo rolls and I have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on anymore. I think maybe the thread is winning again? But like in a deranged Charlie Sheen kind of way?
I think the NY doesn't hand out food and water thread and end now...TCTTS said:
Almost immediately, this thread basically crashed and burned, redeemed itself for a brief shining moment with some truly incredible laughs, soon turned into pure sh*t again, some random cantankerous dude showed up 10 pages in to scold me in truly bizarre fashion, the sh*t got even deeper, then an argument literally about water broke out... and now people are posting 10-year-old pics of bananas from their photo rolls from some reason and I have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on anymore. I think maybe this thread is winning again? But like in a deranged Charlie Sheen kind of way?
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2020/10/31/early-voting-new-yorkers-don-t-have-to-be-hungry-while-waiting-in-line--thanks-to-free-food-delivery-initiative#
or maybe Rudy and Sydney Powell can present evidence from the Holland tunnel dudes and get NY flipped red #stopthesteal #2dollarwater
It's a signal. You'll understand when you've completed the documentary
Voting in NYC was a frigging nightmare compared to TX. Hated every second of the process in NYC - long lines, old fashioned and confusing machines, strange ballots and sometimes no place to sit while in line. Nice that people allowed others back in line to get food during this election cycle. Not sure they've always been so pleasant.Another Doug said:I think the NY doesn't hand out food and water thread and end now...TCTTS said:
Almost immediately, this thread basically crashed and burned, redeemed itself for a brief shining moment with some truly incredible laughs, soon turned into pure sh*t again, some random cantankerous dude showed up 10 pages in to scold me in truly bizarre fashion, the sh*t got even deeper, then an argument literally about water broke out... and now people are posting 10-year-old pics of bananas from their photo rolls from some reason and I have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on anymore. I think maybe this thread is winning again? But like in a deranged Charlie Sheen kind of way?
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2020/10/31/early-voting-new-yorkers-don-t-have-to-be-hungry-while-waiting-in-line--thanks-to-free-food-delivery-initiative#
or maybe Rudy and Sydney Powell can present evidence from the Holland tunnel dudes and get NY flipped red #stopthesteal #2dollarwater
Assuming the documentary came to the right conclusion, and they made a pretty convincing argument that they did, this has to be a hard day for the Q people.
I just can't imagine how crushing it is to know that some random internet troll just took years of your life for something that anyone with half a brain knew was BS from square one.
Or they will just double down on the crazy, which of course seems the more likely outcome.
I just can't imagine how crushing it is to know that some random internet troll just took years of your life for something that anyone with half a brain knew was BS from square one.
Or they will just double down on the crazy, which of course seems the more likely outcome.
And for the record re: Georgia, as a proud Texas Democrat, I support their efforts.
The presidential election went blue by a **** hair, they doubled down on crazy and lost two senates seats, by all means don't try and reach out to your voters, just piss them off more, that's sure to work.
The presidential election went blue by a **** hair, they doubled down on crazy and lost two senates seats, by all means don't try and reach out to your voters, just piss them off more, that's sure to work.
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