Yep, I've heard that one countless times. A similar statistic they like to throw around is that more white people die at the hands of cops than blacks. Which is true, except when you break it down by RATE, the comparative ratio at which blacks are killed by cops far surpasses the ratio at which whites are killed by cops, never mind the fact that there are simply far more white people in this country. Either way, there's ALWAYS an excuse. They either throw sh*t statistics at you or claim that the black community is overreacting or that there's no such thing as systemic racism, etc, etc, etc. Whatever it is, it's never ever a sincere attempt to listen to or feel empathy toward the black community.
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Your broad sweeping generalizations about the differences in police treatment of black versus white shooters sounds like a sound statistical analysis. Where'd you find this info Reddit, Twitter, Vox, or Democratic Underground? Do you have any statistics that show how many unarmed white people are killed by police or black people that are captured unharmed to compare and contrast to your anecdotal but "undeniable" evidence?
No doubt there are police shootings of every race that are unwarranted. It might help to sell the narratives if they used better cases to build movements on than Micheal Brown or George Floyd. It would also help if they focused more on the actual issues and less on empowering Democrats and vilifying police, whites people, and Republicans.
Why is open racism completely acceptable by the left in regards to the Kyle Rittenhouse comment above? Racism is unacceptable from either side but you guys seem to be fine with it as long as it's the kind of racism you like. Jim Crow on steroids if you will.
No doubt there are police shootings of every race that are unwarranted. It might help to sell the narratives if they used better cases to build movements on than Micheal Brown or George Floyd. It would also help if they focused more on the actual issues and less on empowering Democrats and vilifying police, whites people, and Republicans.
Why is open racism completely acceptable by the left in regards to the Kyle Rittenhouse comment above? Racism is unacceptable from either side but you guys seem to be fine with it as long as it's the kind of racism you like. Jim Crow on steroids if you will.
There is systemic racism such as affirmative action and other quota systems. You can always count on democrats to benefit politically from racist policies whether it be slavery, Jim Crow, or AA.TCTTS said:
Yep, I've heard that one countless times. A similar statistic they like to throw around is that more white people die at the hands of cops than blacks. Which is true, except when you break it down by RATE, the comparative ratio at which blacks are killed by cops far surpasses the ratio at which whites are killed by cops, never mind the fact that there are simply far more white people in this country. Either way, there's ALWAYS an excuse. They either throw sh*t statistics at you or claim that the black community is overreacting or that there's no such thing as systemic racism, etc, etc, etc. Whatever it is, it's never ever a sincere attempt to listen to or feel empathy toward the black community.
Yet another post that is nothing but a parade of blame as opposed to a genuine attempt to listen to what they have to say, despite their admittedly flawed means at times to be heard. But when one side simply will not listen, as you continue to show, what other means do they have to resort to?
^^^
Ironic coming from a guy who has me blocked because he doesn't want to listen to opinions outside his bubble.
Ironic coming from a guy who has me blocked because he doesn't want to listen to opinions outside his bubble.
The "feelz" is at stratosphere levels. Staff needs to nuke this thread.
"Thanks and Gig'em"
TCTTS said:
Yet another post that is nothing but a parade of blame as opposed to a genuine attempt to listen to what they have to say, despite their admittedly flawed means at times to be heard. But when one side simply will not listen, as you continue to show, what other means do they have to resort to?
Who said no one is listening? Do you just continue to listen to your employees and give them praise when they have no evidence to back up their claims? We've heard their complaints and understand the emotions behind it, but so far no one has produced evidence to show that blacks are killed at any higher rate than other races when you account for police encounters. It's actually quiet disgusting for you to assume that police are out there hunting and killing black people simply for their skin color. Furthermore it's clear that the movement was co-opted by people with ulterior motives who keep adding fuel to the fire. I do empathize with the victims of police brutality and their families. I find it completely unacceptable to use their suffering to vilify all police officers, white people, and conservatives. The Democrats are using these people as political pawns and liberals and the left wing media are complicit. The race baiting for political gain is absolutely reprehensible and should be rejected by anyone with a shred of ethics, yet it is the backbone of the Democrat party.
I unblocked you months ago. Now I just ignore you. And it has nothing to do with your opinions, but rather the incessant, endlessly-stubborn, mind-numbing manner in which you often deliver them.
This thread is like watching the pot and the kettle fight over who bakes a better turkey.
It's because I call you out on your BS, and you don't like to hear it. You call that "mind-numbing", but in reality you hate being challenged. Then you accuse others of not listening. Funny.TCTTS said:
I unblocked you months ago. Now I just ignore you. And it has nothing to do with your opinions, but rather the incessant, endlessly-stubborn, mind-numbing manner in which you often deliver them.
I get "called out" on this site constantly by people like you, for all kinds of positions and opinions, sometimes even for being someone who simply exists in Hollywood/lives in California. Because, clearly, that means I'm a lib pedophile whose sole career objectives are to help usher in socialism, take your guns away, open all borders, kill babies, and gender neutralize the ones that do survive after I fail to turn them gay. When in reality, it has nothing to do with me or my feelings, but rather the life you suck from every last thread you participate in, something you are notorious for and called out for by countless posters other than myself. But sure, keep thinking you're some kind of truth warrior.
I've been posting on TexAgs since 2001 and yet it's only been recently and entertainment posters that accuse me of "sucking the life out of threads". And non-coincidentally it's pretty much always liberals who do so. I'll admit that I enjoy arguing politics. And when 10 liberal entertainment board posters try to gang up on me, I'll often respond to each and every one of their posts. If that comes off as "stubborn" then I don't care. It takes 2 to tango (or 11 in that case) and so it's ironic how you dudes pretend it's only me.TCTTS said:
I get "called out" on this site constantly by people like you, for all kinds of positions and opinions, sometimes even for being someone who simply exists in Hollywood/lives in California. Because, clearly, that means I'm a lib pedophile whose sole career objectives are to help usher in socialism, take your guns away, open all borders, kill babies, and gender neutralize the ones that do survive after I fail to turn them gay. When in reality, it has nothing to do with me or my feelings, but rather the life you suck from every last thread you participate in, something you are notorious for and called out for by countless posters other than myself. But sure, keep thinking you're some kind of truth warrior.
And, BTW, you can try to pretend all day long that you aren't liberal, but your history proclaims otherwise.
Off to watch this Q thingy...having spent so much energy in this F16 analog thread, it would seem a waste not to!
Very Easter...
Very Easter...
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And, BTW, you can try to pretend all day long that you aren't liberal, but your history proclaims otherwise.
I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal registered Independent who was born and raised in Texas but now lives in California who hadn't voted Democrat once in my life before Trump came into the picture. I come from a staunchly conservative family and have close friends across the entire political spectrum, their perspectives of which I am beyond grateful for. I think conservatives have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. I think Democrats have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. And I understand that dichotomy causes the minds of you and 16chan to short-circuit, and that failing to swear complete loyalty to the right automatically makes me a unabashed bleeding-heart liberal who wants to destroy your way of life, but I, along with the real world, are much more complicated and nuanced than that.
No matter your political leanings, you won't regret it. Interested to hear your take.
Keep in mind this is the Better Call Saul NDA guy (200+posts on the season thread arguing about how NDAs would've improved the plot of the show). He thinks he knows more about drug kingpins on TV than Gilligan/Gould. This is a dopamine play.
Dude, I'm a libertarian who didn't vote Trump in 2016, is for open borders (after the elimination of the welfare system), is for drug legalization, bashes republicans (including Trump) when they spend like democrats, etc. Yet 16chan does not try to shout me down like 13chan does. This is the most close minded board on all of TexAgs. And it's not even close.TCTTS said:Quote:
And, BTW, you can try to pretend all day long that you aren't liberal, but your history proclaims otherwise.
I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal registered Independent who was born and raised in Texas but now lives in California who hadn't voted Democrat once in my life before Trump came into the picture. I come from a staunchly conservative family and have close friends across the entire political spectrum, their perspectives of which I am beyond grateful for. I think conservatives have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. I think Democrats have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. And I understand that dichotomy causes the minds of you and 16chan to short-circuit, and that failing to swear complete loyalty to the right automatically makes me a unabashed bleeding-heart liberal who wants to destroy your way of life, but I, along with the real world, are much more complicated and nuanced than that.
And you can keep pretending to be conservative, but nobody with a brain is going to buy it. Just because you grew up in a conservative household does not make you conservative. I know plenty of naive Bernie bros who's parents were conservative as hell. Not every kid from smart parents is going to be smart.
And I was was right.expresswrittenconsent said:
Keep in mind this is the Better Call Saul NDA guy (200+posts on the season thread arguing about how NDAs would've improved the plot of the show). He thinks he knows more about drug kingpins on TV than Gilligan/Gould. This is a dopamine play.
You didn't vote for trump so you are a libtard soyboy that (checks notes about today's 16chan outrage) is fine with our current first lady wearing a skirt short enough for a sex worker. (setting aside that the former first lady was an actual sex worker.)
I wasn't called a "libtard soyboy" despite being open and public about not voting for Trump in 2016. I got way more hate on 13chan than I ever have on 16chan.Duncan Idaho said:
You didn't vote for trump so you are a libtard soyboy that (checks notes about today's 16chan outrage) is fine with our current first lady wearing a skirt short enough for a sex worker. (setting aside that the former first lady was an actual sex worker.)
The people that ran 8 Chan where q posted are pretty f/cking spacial. That is the kindest thing I can say about them.
aTmAg said:Dude, I'm a libertarian who didn't vote Trump in 2016, is for open borders (after the elimination of the welfare system), is for drug legalization, bashes republicans (including Trump) when they spend like democrats, etc. Yet 16chan does not try to shout me down like 13chan does. This is the most close minded board on all of TexAgs. And it's not even close.TCTTS said:Quote:
And, BTW, you can try to pretend all day long that you aren't liberal, but your history proclaims otherwise.
I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal registered Independent who was born and raised in Texas but now lives in California who hadn't voted Democrat once in my life before Trump came into the picture. I come from a staunchly conservative family and have close friends across the entire political spectrum, their perspectives of which I am beyond grateful for. I think conservatives have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. I think Democrats have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. And I understand that dichotomy causes the minds of you and 16chan to short-circuit, and that failing to swear complete loyalty to the right automatically makes me a unabashed bleeding-heart liberal who wants to destroy your way of life, but I, along with the real world, are much more complicated and nuanced than that.
And you can keep pretending to be conservative, but nobody with a brain is going to buy it. Just because you grew up in a conservative household does not make you conservative. I know plenty of naive Bernie bros who's parents were conservative as hell. Not every kid from smart parents is going to be smart.
We "shout you down" because THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL MESSAGE BOARD. For the hundredth time, you're not shouted down for the leanings of your political opinions, rather, you're shouted down for either A) INJECTING your political opinions into utterly nonpolitical discussions, or B) your political opinions make ASSUMPTIONS about the intent of the filmmakers that aren't there, premature, or should be moved to 16chan. And on the very rare occasion that we get into a political discussion here, such as in thread like this, dealing with a political subject as it relates to entertainment, I'm all for the discourse, and even a fair amount of arguing, as I feel like I've already learned a decent amount I didn't know before this thread existed.
As for this whole me-"pretending" thing, that literally makes zero sense. I'm absolutely pro-capitalism, but I'm also not someone who views being a "lib" as this evil thing, nor am I against certain fiscal ideas on the left. I used to vote conservative, watch Fox News, and vilify the left all the time in my college years. But then I moved to Los Angeles, and gradually saw with my own eyes that most people out here don't even remotely fit the fever-dream stereotype many on the right have of the left, and now I feel like I genuinely sit somewhere in the middle, able to embrace the things I like about both sides, while also critiquing the things I don't like about both sides. Why would I continue to lie about that as a means to trick a bunch of 16channers who already hate me and of whom I could not care less what they think of me? What would be the point of me "pretending" to kind of sort of be a conservative on a message board in which I talk entertainment 99% of the time?
It's kinda fun chilling in the middle of the political spectrum
No doubt. It's honestly one of the most freeing things ever.
TCTTS said:aTmAg said:Dude, I'm a libertarian who didn't vote Trump in 2016, is for open borders (after the elimination of the welfare system), is for drug legalization, bashes republicans (including Trump) when they spend like democrats, etc. Yet 16chan does not try to shout me down like 13chan does. This is the most close minded board on all of TexAgs. And it's not even close.TCTTS said:Quote:
And, BTW, you can try to pretend all day long that you aren't liberal, but your history proclaims otherwise.
I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal registered Independent who was born and raised in Texas but now lives in California who hadn't voted Democrat once in my life before Trump came into the picture. I come from a staunchly conservative family and have close friends across the entire political spectrum, their perspectives of which I am beyond grateful for. I think conservatives have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. I think Democrats have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. And I understand that dichotomy causes the minds of you and 16chan to short-circuit, and that failing to swear complete loyalty to the right automatically makes me a unabashed bleeding-heart liberal who wants to destroy your way of life, but I, along with the real world, are much more complicated and nuanced than that.
And you can keep pretending to be conservative, but nobody with a brain is going to buy it. Just because you grew up in a conservative household does not make you conservative. I know plenty of naive Bernie bros who's parents were conservative as hell. Not every kid from smart parents is going to be smart.
We "shout you down" because THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL MESSAGE BOARD. For the hundredth time, you're not shouted down for the leanings of your political opinions, rather, you're shouted down for either A) INJECTING your political opinions into utterly nonpolitical discussions, or B) your political opinions make ASSUMPTIONS about the intent of the filmmakers that aren't there, premature, or should be moved to 16chan. And on the very rare occasion that we get into a political discussion here, such as in thread like this, dealing with a political subject as it relates to entertainment, I'm all for the discourse, and even a fair amount of arguing, as I feel like I've already learned a decent amount I didn't know before this thread existed.
As for this whole me-"pretending" thing, that literally makes zero sense. I'm absolutely pro-capitalism, but I'm also not someone who views being a "lib" as this evil thing, nor am I against certain fiscal ideas on the left. I used to vote conservative, watch Fox News, and vilify the left all the time in my college years. But then I moved to Los Angeles, and gradually saw with my own eyes that most people out here don't even remotely fit the fever-dream stereotype many on the right have of the left, and now I feel like I genuinely sit somewhere in the middle, able to embrace the things I like about both sides, while also critiquing the things I don't like about both sides. Why would I continue to lie about that as a means to trick a bunch of 16channers who already hate me and of whom I could not care less what they think of me? What would be the point of me "pretending" to kind of sort of be a conservative on a message board in which I talk entertainment 99% of the time?
Stop pretending you aren't as crazy as people who think you eat children. Just admit it so the moderates on this thread can stop clutching their pearls
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I never see anybody who injecting liberal opinions in this board getting shouted down. And when somebody starts a thread on a movie you guys have NO problem with people injecting things unrelated entertainment. Every Tom Cruise movie has somebody say something like "Scientology is wacko religion" and you never see anybody say "TAKE IT TO THE RELIGION BOARD!!!" If somebody watches Space Jam 2 and posts "I wish they would at least have SOME realistic basketball", you guys wouldn't demand they start a new thread on the Basketball board to discuss basketball specifics. You guys don't demand wise cracks about CSI shows being technologically ignorant be relegated to the nerdery. It's ONLY politics you do that to. And only conservative poltics.TCTTS said:aTmAg said:Dude, I'm a libertarian who didn't vote Trump in 2016, is for open borders (after the elimination of the welfare system), is for drug legalization, bashes republicans (including Trump) when they spend like democrats, etc. Yet 16chan does not try to shout me down like 13chan does. This is the most close minded board on all of TexAgs. And it's not even close.TCTTS said:Quote:
And, BTW, you can try to pretend all day long that you aren't liberal, but your history proclaims otherwise.
I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal registered Independent who was born and raised in Texas but now lives in California who hadn't voted Democrat once in my life before Trump came into the picture. I come from a staunchly conservative family and have close friends across the entire political spectrum, their perspectives of which I am beyond grateful for. I think conservatives have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. I think Democrats have some really great ideas, along with some really sh*tty ideas. And I understand that dichotomy causes the minds of you and 16chan to short-circuit, and that failing to swear complete loyalty to the right automatically makes me a unabashed bleeding-heart liberal who wants to destroy your way of life, but I, along with the real world, are much more complicated and nuanced than that.
And you can keep pretending to be conservative, but nobody with a brain is going to buy it. Just because you grew up in a conservative household does not make you conservative. I know plenty of naive Bernie bros who's parents were conservative as hell. Not every kid from smart parents is going to be smart.
We "shout you down" because THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL MESSAGE BOARD. For the hundredth time, you're not shouted down for the leanings of your political opinions, rather, you're shouted down for either A) INJECTING your political opinions into utterly nonpolitical discussions, or B) your political opinions make ASSUMPTIONS about the intent of the filmmakers that aren't there, premature, or should be moved to 16chan. And on the very rare occasion that we get into a political discussion here, such as in thread like this, dealing with a political subject as it relates to entertainment, I'm all for the discourse, and even a fair amount of arguing, as I feel like I've already learned a decent amount I didn't know before this thread existed.
Movies have LOTS of aspects to it. Is the acting good? Is the story good? How is the choreography? But not everything pertinent about a movie appears on the screen. Heath Ledger dying before the release of The Dark Knight was relevant to the movie. It would have been an a-hole move to silence people who wanted to talk about that in the Dark Knight thread even though it had zero bearing to the content of the screen. If you don't like to read about his death, then do the adult thing just skip over those posts. Likewise, some people want to know if any actors in a given movie were a-holes. If some actor in a movie was a rapists, I'd like to know that. I do not want to give such a person my money. It would be BS for you to declare that information to be off limits. You don't own this board. In the same vein I and others like to know if a movie has liberal propaganda in it. We want to avoid such movies since we don't want to reward them with our hard earned money. Who are you to declare that off limits?
I'm not saying you are lying to us. You are lying to yourself. I'm not interested in going political topic by topic in this thread (but I will if you want on 16chan where it's more suitable), but over the years you have espoused far more liberal positions than conservative positions. In short, you are more liberal than you think. I do not doubt that you are right of center compared to the people you hang out with on a daily basis, but they, on average, are wacko left.Quote:
As for this whole me-"pretending" thing, that literally makes zero sense. I'm absolutely pro-capitalism, but I'm also not someone who views being a "lib" as this evil thing, nor am I against certain fiscal ideas on the left. I used to vote conservative, watch Fox News, and vilify the left all the time in my college years. But then I moved to Los Angeles, and gradually saw with my own eyes that most people out here don't even remotely fit the fever-dream stereotype many on the right have of the left, and now I feel like I genuinely sit somewhere in the middle, able to embrace the things I like about both sides, while also critiquing the things I don't like about both sides. Why would I continue to lie about that as a means to trick a bunch of 16channers who already hate me and of whom I could not care less what they think of me? What would be the point of me "pretending" to kind of sort of be a conservative on a message board in which I talk entertainment 99% of the time?
You shouldn't be surprised that political discussion comes up regarding a political film. Especially considering the far left leanings of Hollywood and their influence on society. A company like HBO making documentary after documentary pointing out the failings of the right while never doing so for the many failings of the left is a driving force behind a rapid cultural shift that is detrimental to this country and based on a heavily biased information. Social media has made this much more impactful.
Even if you agree with left wing ideology, you must admit that rapid cultural change will come with consequences that may outweigh anything you perceive as beneficial to you. In other words, this specific film may be factual correct (IDK), but cumulatively Hollywood's influence has become propagandistic and combined with the oversupply of left wing news sources (who purport to be objective). The average citizen thinks "the middle" is much further left than it really is. They've also succeeded in painting anyone right of Chairman Mao as a conspiracy theorists whack job. That's not healthy!
Again I ask when is HBO releasing the documentary on the founders of BLM? Somehow I think they're not going to make that one.
Even if you agree with left wing ideology, you must admit that rapid cultural change will come with consequences that may outweigh anything you perceive as beneficial to you. In other words, this specific film may be factual correct (IDK), but cumulatively Hollywood's influence has become propagandistic and combined with the oversupply of left wing news sources (who purport to be objective). The average citizen thinks "the middle" is much further left than it really is. They've also succeeded in painting anyone right of Chairman Mao as a conspiracy theorists whack job. That's not healthy!
Again I ask when is HBO releasing the documentary on the founders of BLM? Somehow I think they're not going to make that one.
Are you really equating QANON to BLM?
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Again I ask when is HBO releasing the documentary on the founders of BLM? Somehow I think they're not going to make that one.
That, even if it merits production, won't happen...imagine the vitriol?
Make Mental Asylums Great Again!
There is no comparison. BLM is much more damaging to the nation than conspiracy theorists posting anonymously from their basements.Charpie said:
Are you really equating QANON to BLM?
Seriously? This is your argument now?
The reason political opinions are shouted down, as opposed to, you know, sports opinions, or celebrity opinions, opinions on Scientology, etc, is because those things aren't even remotely as polarizing as politics - not even close - nor do they almost always lead to heated, personal and ideological arguments in which names are called, soapboxes are stood on, virtues are signaled, and people refuse to cede any common ground.
This isn't rocket science, dude. Politics is an outlier, and there's an obvious reason as to why. As always ends up being the case, you're reaching *really* hard to keep this argument going now.
As for YOU insisting to ME that *I'm* more liberal than *I* think, while also taking shots at the people I hang out with on a daily basis - people you've literally never met, of which you have no clue what thoughts/views they hold - tells me everything I need to know about your deranged state of mind and where you're coming from.
You will never, ever change, and I ALWAYS regret interacting with you in any way, shape, or form.
We're done here.
The reason political opinions are shouted down, as opposed to, you know, sports opinions, or celebrity opinions, opinions on Scientology, etc, is because those things aren't even remotely as polarizing as politics - not even close - nor do they almost always lead to heated, personal and ideological arguments in which names are called, soapboxes are stood on, virtues are signaled, and people refuse to cede any common ground.
This isn't rocket science, dude. Politics is an outlier, and there's an obvious reason as to why. As always ends up being the case, you're reaching *really* hard to keep this argument going now.
As for YOU insisting to ME that *I'm* more liberal than *I* think, while also taking shots at the people I hang out with on a daily basis - people you've literally never met, of which you have no clue what thoughts/views they hold - tells me everything I need to know about your deranged state of mind and where you're coming from.
You will never, ever change, and I ALWAYS regret interacting with you in any way, shape, or form.
We're done here.
Charpie said:
Are you really equating QANON to BLM?
Yes, both the founders of BLM and Q ANON spread malicious and false information to susceptible people in an effort to cause mayhem and destruction. Scum bags who prey on the weak.
West Point Aggie said:aggieforester05 said:
Again I ask when is HBO releasing the documentary on the founders of BLM? Somehow I think they're not going to make that one.
That, even if it merits production, won't happen...imagine the vitriol?
It wouldn't have been if these people had been called out by the left wing media and Democrats as soon as their true motivations were revealed. Weaponizing falsehoods for political gain is consequential.
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