TCTTS said:
I hear you. In general, I completely agree with your overall sentiment. Especially if this sentence were as noble or as innocent as you make it out to be...
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If you have firmly held beliefs you should be able to support them with facts and logic and reasons for holding those beliefs and why you think they are net positives for those that they affect and not just say they are correct because people don't get canceled for having them.
But you're conveniently ignoring all of the horrible sh*t posted on the politics board, on a daily basis, outside of the Q thread, that is not supported with "facts and logic" by any stretch of the imagination. On any given day you can find people on that board...
- Defending mass shooters.
- Defending people like Kyle Rittenhouse.
- Making light of mass shootings.
- Cheering the literal deaths of liberals (both real and fantasized).
- Supporting the insurrection.
- Arguing against even the broadest definition of diversity.
- Peddling suspect and provably wrong information from jank, ridiculously bias sources.
- Expressing vaguely if not outright racist opinions, from comparing Michelle Obama to an ape (that one I've seen at least a dozen times, if not more) to blind rage against BLM, despite the many nuances and complexities of the movement.
... just to name a few. I'm not saying *all* of these things are expressed everyday, but at least a couple of them absolutely are. Hell, a few months ago there was literally a thread titled "Why I'm a little bit racist" that stayed up for days. There was another, around the same time, that was a long diatribe as to why women belonged in the home and not at the work place. Both threads lasting pages, filled with agreeable and supportive responses. Never mind the board's biggest issue, which is an overall psychotic attempt to turn a political opponent into a mortal enemy by ascribing the worst tendencies of the few most radical liberals to anyone and everyone who has ever voted Democrat, essentially declaring war on half the country.
This notion that F16 is nothing more than this sharing of innocuous thoughts and ideas, all backed with facts and statistics, is laughably preposterous. There's a reason some of us find the 16chan moniker to be so brilliantly perfect. It's because that, overall, it's an objectively hateful board that often peddles in completely false narratives. It's because it's ground zero for bad faith arguments and the sharing of opinions that most people outside of it do not consider sane. It's because it's literally one of the most vile, un-empathetic sites some of us have ever visited on the internet; one that, from the outside looking in, isn't *that* far removed from what we're seeing of 8chan in this Q doc. That doesn't mean that good ideas and discussion aren't posted on F16 a daily basis as well. That doesn't mean that most of the posters there support or engage in the tendencies listed above. But it 100% harbors the people who do, who are often the loudest voices of the bunch, and no company in their right mind would risk its existence by allowing those people free reign to say whatever the hell the want on their platform.
I know this might lead to a bit of a derail, but I am completely with you and agree with everything you said, outside the Kyle Rittenhouse comment. I will preface this with saying the overall glee of "libs" getting killed by Kyle and making him out to be some sort of hero by 16chan is sickening. Nevertheless, he was clearly acting in self-defense, and anyone arguing otherwise has not watched all the video evidence or is completely blinded by the political spectrum that they fall under.
The kid is an idiot, he seems to not be the greatest guy either, and I think part of him was probably hoping for a fight, but none of those things are illegal. Based on the video evidence, he did not instigate anything. The first individual killed just prior to being shot was aggressively accosting Kyle, then he is seen aggressively chasing after him, someone fires a warning shot into the air with a pistol, and at the same time Kyle's pursuer corners him, grabs his gun and is then shot multiple times. Then people start chasing after him in what looks to be a vigilante mob, when he clearly poses no threat to any of them. He then trips, and people start attacking him, one kicks him in the head, one of them literally tries to bash his head in with a skateboard, another actually pulls a gun out on him. The only people that are shot are individuals that are clearly posing a threat to his life. He subsequently turns himself into police who amazingly just let him go, which is probably the clearest example of white privilege I have ever seen.
Sorry for the derail, again.
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