*** Q: INTO THE STORM *** (HBO Docuseries)

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Anyone else watching this? Because it's absolutely bonkers.

First off, the series so far is way less political than you might think. It's not so much about QAnon followers and the Q phenomenon (though all of that is definitely covered) as it is about the batsh*t characters at the center of 8chan - a trio of owners and administrators, specifically - as the director examines their history building the site and ultimately hosting Q, in his attempt to try and unravel the mystery of Q's identity.

It's incredibly well done, so weird, at times disturbingly hilarious, and shows just how insane this whole thing is without, again, making it *too* overly political (though, it's obviously political by nature).

Of the six total episodes, four have released so far - two last Sunday and two this Sunday. I'm through episode three and cannot get enough (saving/savoring episode four for tomorrow night). Admittedly, the last 15-20 minutes or so of the first episode can get a little dense in terms of info, and can be a bit hard to follow, but episode two then takes a step back and expands on it all and explains the history/connections in detail, to the point where everything makes perfect sense (relatively speaking), you really get to know the players, etc.

If anything, there will 100% be a movie about these weirdo, sociopathic knuckleheads at the heart of the story. It's all just so compelling, not only how so many people fell (and continue to still fall) for this sh*t, but how it all came to be in the first place, the crazy dynamics and relationships behind the scenes, and who's potentially pulling the strings.

Definitely check it out if you get the chance...



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Will check it out. Obviously turned off by the fact that it is produced by a bernie bro in McKay. Not sure how this can be done with balance and without being a hit piece.
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It's on HBO, it will be a hit piece. Why would anyone think it would be objective? Haha
BCG Disciple
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Ha, fair enough. Honestly, it's hard to do a q doc without it being a hit piece. But would make for great drama if they spent time delving in to how and why the circumstances behind q made it more likely to be believed. Ie, the alphabet agencies documented attempts to operate as a dem arm to prevent the effectiveness of our first non politician who ran on attacking them and draining the swamp. There is a reason why some of the q narratives resonated like they did.
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I didn't realize avian bone syndrome was a real thing and not just a Tina Fey 30 rock creation.
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expresswrittenconsent said:

I didn't realize avian bone syndrome was a real thing and not just a Tina Fey 30 rock creation.

"Careful, my bones."
Duncan Idaho
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Lol at the idea of crying "balance" when talking about qanon.

I watch the first 2 and thought they were pretty good. I learned a little about the history of Anonymous. And thought they presented the background of the sites pretty well along with explaining trip codes and the rest
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expresswrittenconsent said:

I didn't realize avian bone syndrome was a real thing and not just a Tina Fey 30 rock creation.


And somehow 30 rock made it sexy
Quinn
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Watched the first episode and it was pretty interesting. Reminds me of Going Clear. I agree that it was much more focused on the individuals involved rather than the politics. I had read articles and listened to some podcasts about Q, so none of it was necessarily new, but it was still jarring to see the true belief in these people.
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Seriously. It's blowing my mind how some people want this whole thing to be treated "fairly." When 95% of the movement was an insane, bad faith effort, full of vile and illegitimate, fever dream accusations, based in nothing but utter delusion. And yet, all things considered, the doc does a phenomenal job of tackling the subject matter with a straight face, remaining as clinical as it possibly can, given the subject matter. But that's still not enough for certain people who, in their b*tching, want that 5% credibility acknowledged before they've even seen the doc for themselves. Same old song and dance as always.
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I consider "fairness" of a documentary (or discussion for that matter) such that terms like "batsh** crazy" are not used.
amercer
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Looking forward to this.

You don't need "balance" when you are talking about bat**** crazy folk
TCTTS
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The documentary never uses that term. And holding the *discussion* of the documentary to that kind of standard - when the subject matter itself is literally made up of endless, provable lies and bonafide, cult-like tendencies - is such disingenuous posturing that I really don't know what else to say.
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Honest question: This is probably a dumb question since it's on HBO, but the subject matter alone would make this rated 'R', correct? Or is it just language? Just trying to determine proper age for watching this. Thanks!
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EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying the documentary being discussed does any of the following, I haven't watched it yet. Just trying to point out a more nuanced definition of bias in instances like this.

I have two primary concerns regarding coverage of the Q phenomenon, and neither has anything to do with Q's credibility (I have never viewed Q as having any informational value).

The first concern is that Q will be used to paint everyone to the right of Karl Marx as a conspiracy-peddling loon. This has happened before and will again, it's classic polemics. Fact is, most people on the right who heard of Q took one look and decided it was a troll. So to the extent that a documentary tries to act as if ~50% of Americans are Q believers, I would call that unfair bias.

My second thought is that people who fall for conspiracies should be treated with some level of sympathy. Putting them in an outgroup of people who are not like me is probably not fair. Humans in general are susceptible (some more than others), and once you get hooked it is HARD to shake. Conspiracies and prophesies have been incredibly persistent through history not because of mental abnormalities, but because they are very good at reinforcing things our brains normally do.

So yeah, trash Q, point out how a couple trolls created a huge movement. But don't try to expand that beyond what it actually was into some kind of point about 50% of Americans being racist lunatics.
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I honestly haven't been paying much attention to the language, but episode three features some porn content that's definitely not appropriate for younger viewers. The 8chan owner ran a few porn sites, of which clips and screenshots are shown. That, and this whole world is so seedy and disturbing at times that I wouldn't show this doc to anyone under, say, high school age.
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First episode definitely had some rated R material in it.
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TCTTS said:

I honestly haven't been paying much attention to the language, but episode three features some porn content that's definitely not appropriate for younger viewers. The 8chan owner ran a few porn sites, of which clips and screenshots are shown. That, and this whole world is so seedy and disturbing at times that I wouldn't show this doc to anyone under, say, high school age.
Thanks, that's what I needed to know. And I actually meant it more along the lines, would I be comfortable if my parents, in-laws, or 84 year old grandmother watched this. I want them to see how crazy this stuff is (they're not Q-followers by any means) but just a little bit gullible to whatever they read online or hear on the radio.

They would not last long before turning it off if it dives into what 8Chan is known for, which it sounds like it does.
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Again, it doesn't at all do any of that. It doesn't ascribe the movement to the right as a whole (only the officials who publicly endorsed it, like Flynn and Marjorie Taylor Greene, etc). And it legit tries to understand what makes certain people so susceptible to things like this by following a select few Q believers over the months and years, interviewing them at different intervals, etc. I'm telling you guys, it's not a malicious documentary in that sense. More than anything, it's about the three people at the center of 8chan.
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Yeah, sorry, I forgot to put a disclaimer in at first, edited one in later. I'm not trying to say that the documentary did anything out of line, just pointing out that when people wonder about bias they may mean something different than "it has to act like Q may have been good and right".
TCTTS
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Gotcha. It's hard to say. It's VERY much about 8chan and how insane that place is, with screenshots of all kinds of detestable things that are posted there. Mainly just words, though, not so much the imagery posted there. But while it's not in-your-face, it doesn't sugar coat it either. And I would say the porn segment is maybe 30 seconds tops in terms of what it actually shows (nudity, sexual acts, both straight and gay).

That said, it does a phenomenal job, in clinical, methodical fashion, of showing (and proving) just how crazy the movement is. So, in that sense, I would absolutely recommend showing it to adults who might be on the fence, don't know the full story, etc. Just as long as a little language, screenshots of posts, and 30 seconds of porn don't bother them.
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Legal Custodian said:

TCTTS said:

I honestly haven't been paying much attention to the language, but episode three features some porn content that's definitely not appropriate for younger viewers. The 8chan owner ran a few porn sites, of which clips and screenshots are shown. That, and this whole world is so seedy and disturbing at times that I wouldn't show this doc to anyone under, say, high school age.
Thanks, that's what I needed to know. And I actually meant it more along the lines, would I be comfortable if my parents, in-laws, or 84 year old grandmother watched this. I want them to see how crazy this stuff is (they're not Q-followers by any means) but just a little bit gullible to whatever they read online or hear on the radio.

They would not last long before turning it off if it dives into what 8Chan is known for, which it sounds like it does.

It shows the dude live streaming the mass shooting in New Zealand. The porn stuff is much more medical/gynecological if that helps (or hurts).
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I hear you. Makes sense.
TCTTS
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Oh, yeah, forgot about that. Good call. While it cuts a split second before anyone is actually shot, it *is* somewhat disturbing to see.
Another Doug
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Ulrich said:

. Fact is, most people on the right who heard of Q took one look and decided it was a troll.


This is a college football board and Q was the most trafficked topic here for a couple years.
Duncan Idaho
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TCTTS said:

Oh, yeah, forgot about that. Good call. While it cuts a split second before anyone is actually shot, it *is* somewhat disturbing to see.

Yeah there was a bunch of stuff in the first 2 episodes wouldn't want to be in the room with my mother when it was shown. Like the soros picture
Ulrich
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Another Doug said:

Ulrich said:

. Fact is, most people on the right who heard of Q took one look and decided it was a troll.


This is a college football board and Q was the most trafficked topic here for a couple years.

Yeah, a handful of people talked about it all day every day, all in one thread. No question that the people who were into it were deep into it.

Right now the most trafficked topic is probably day trading, but that doesn't mean that most texaggers day trade. Most probably aren't even aware of the threads.
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You are seriously discounting how many unique posters were on that thread.
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As someone who paid attention to the embarrassment that Q was/is to the A&M community that is simply not true.
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Duncan Idaho said:

You are seriously discounting how many unique posters were on that thread.

Texags has thousands of posters, and I'd guess that a majority lean right. I'd be pretty surprised if thousands of people were posting consistently about Q.

And now we've hit the limit of how much I care about this topic. I cede the field, my thread hijack is over.
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Opened this thread hoping it would be about Star Trek. This is what I think of when I hear Q:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_(Star_Trek)



TCTTS
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Episode 4.

At the very least, this whole thing certainly keeps you engaged and guessing.
expresswrittenconsent
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TCTTS said:

Episode 4.

At the very least, this whole thing certainly keeps you engaged and guessing.

2 more. The trend with Netflix and podcast versions of this type of story always feels like they stretch 1 or 2 episodes longer than needed, but HBO seems to do a good job of avoiding that (chernobyl and mcmillions) and keeping you wanting more.
TCTTS
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Yeah, good point. Doesn't feel too stretched at all so far. A lot has been packed into each episode.
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I watched the first episode and wow. This really reminds me of the flat earth documentary on Netflix. I had no idea how deep this conspiracy theory was and how much weird infighting there was within it. They aren't pushing the Qanon people to say anyway in this, they are just laying out the timeline and having them explain what they believe and its doing a better job of debunking Qanon than any hit piece would.
 
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